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skilly1

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923 posts

65 months

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steveo3002 said:
can we ask how you failed the customer
It was a number of small areas unfortunately:

Table cloths not cornered correctly - I agree
Buffet food not presented as well as it could have been, although no complaint about quality. - I agree
Top table dressing was poor - the client picked out the material, but I have to say it could have been better.
One vegetarian at the event and apparently his meal was poor. - we have a good chef so unlikely but not saying mistakes don't happen
Buffet was taken in late, that is one area where you can't win, sometimes they complain if you take it in too early !
DJ was asked about insurance certificate on arrival although he had already supplied it - poor organisation on our part.

Like I said nothing major but lots of little mistakes which I have now taken action against happening again..



McHaggis

8,271 posts

25 months

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Christ. I wouldn't be offering 30%. None of those are material to the enjoyment - they are details.

15-20% max... as good will.

I think you are being too nice.

Justayellowbadge

29,855 posts

112 months

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I know we all want our special day to be perfect, but a refund because the tablecloths were inadequately cornered is wkiness of a massive order.

Sump

1,601 posts

37 months

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skilly1 said:
It was a number of small areas unfortunately:

Table cloths not cornered correctly - I agree
Buffet food not presented as well as it could have been, although no complaint about quality. - I agree
Top table dressing was poor - the client picked out the material, but I have to say it could have been better.
One vegetarian at the event and apparently his meal was poor. - we have a good chef so unlikely but not saying mistakes don't happen
Buffet was taken in late, that is one area where you can't win, sometimes they complain if you take it in too early !
DJ was asked about insurance certificate on arrival although he had already supplied it - poor organisation on our part.

Like I said nothing major but lots of little mistakes which I have now taken action against happening again..
What sort of setup do you have on the day?

Do you have people watching people do the work, with people watching the people watching the people do the work etc?

Or is it just whoever does whatever and thats it?

CommanderJameson

21,021 posts

96 months

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McHaggis said:
Christ. I wouldn't be offering 30%. None of those are material to the enjoyment - they are details.

15-20% max... as good will.

I think you are being too nice.
Agree completely.

OP, your client is a chancer. An honest review would say "things x, y, z happened, was offered x% refund, I was or was not satisfied with this."

Threatening a negative review in order to extract more money? fk off. If she wants more she should have the decency and honesty to say so, clearly and politely.
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Oi_Oi_Savaloy

1,895 posts

130 months

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Those are all minor issues to my mind - 30% of the total fee for that lot just feels slightly too high.

I agree with McHaggis - 15-20% would be my view.



Kermit power

14,979 posts

83 months

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McHaggis said:
Christ. I wouldn't be offering 30%. None of those are material to the enjoyment - they are details.

15-20% max... as good will.

I think you are being too nice.
Reading through this thread, I was about to express my surprise at the number of people immediately taking the OP's side without further information including, critically, whether the customers' email came straight after the first offer or after extended negotiations not delivering what she thought was reasonable.

Now, having seen the list of grievances, I agree with McHaggis. I reckon 30% is insanely OTT as a refund, and the customer thinks the same, clearly thinks the OP is scared of what she might say or do about him, and is therefore trying to ratchet up the claim.

Personally, I'd be thanking the customer for her input, reassuring her that we take all complaints seriously, so as she rejected my first offer out of hand, I had asked some other restauranteurs/hoteliers for their opinions as to what was reasonable to make sure I wasn't offering unreasonably low compensation.

Then I'd say that on the back of the said consultations prompted by her response, that I was now dropping my offer of compensation to 10%, as everyone I'd spoken to reckoned I was being foolishly over-generous.

I'm not a hotelier or restauranteur, but I'm sure you must know plenty with whom you could go through this exercise?

shtu

527 posts

16 months

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Indeed. 30% off for those minor things is very, very generous.

Incidentally, when I read reviews on tripadvisor, here's what I do...

  • List the lowest ones first.
  • Read the complaints. Decide if they are valid. (eg, people moaning about being moved to a better hotel because of overbooking = WTF?)
  • Read the response. A polite response that points out the other side of the tale, and shows what has been done to fix any real problems is good, and more than negates the complaint. (a rant about lunatic customers doesn't!)
  • Have a good laugh at the pathetic complaints people make.
Tripadvisor has created a culture of amateur reviewers who, generally, CANNOT be objective - everything's either great or terrible, with no middle ground.

OP, stick to your 30% offer. Don't mention blackmail but point out that any negative review will be dealt with proportionately, be that submitting your own comments, taking action to remove inaccurate comments, or any other action that is necessary to avoid and\or compensate for malicious damage to your business' reputation.

Edit - Should have mentioned, the review site owners are liable for any libellous comments they publish, so as you have proof of this person's "blackmail" attempt you should find it quite easy to get any such comments removed.

Edited by shtu on Tuesday 10th July 12:43

condor

6,283 posts

118 months

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I'm another that thinks 30% is far too generous!

andy_s

8,537 posts

129 months

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Very minor issues indeed. Petty, almost.

If you get the neg. review, rebute it with simply listing the grievence and your comments as you've done here. Any decent client would appreciate the honesty and see the nitpicking for what it is.

falkster

4,160 posts

73 months

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skilly1 said:
It was a number of small areas unfortunately:

Table cloths not cornered correctly - I agree
Buffet food not presented as well as it could have been, although no complaint about quality. - I agree
Top table dressing was poor - the client picked out the material, but I have to say it could have been better.
One vegetarian at the event and apparently his meal was poor. - we have a good chef so unlikely but not saying mistakes don't happen
Buffet was taken in late, that is one area where you can't win, sometimes they complain if you take it in too early !
DJ was asked about insurance certificate on arrival although he had already supplied it - poor organisation on our part.

Like I said nothing major but lots of little mistakes which I have now taken action against happening again..
What a load of bks! 30% then raised to 40% for that?
I stick by my first comments, they are just out to get something for nothing and if someone read this on a review they would feel the same as most of us.
It's a buffet, how do they want it presenting? I know attention to detail but there's only so much you can do with a buffet. Was it in a great big vat like gruel? 'one scoop or two Madame?'
It is all nit picking that can and does happen in everyday life.
In an ideal world the price quoted is for perfection, for every service we are provided with, but if every time a tiny detail wasn't just quite right we complained every one of us would be complaining everyday.
  • had to queue at tesco cos it was busy - 10% off my shopping bill.
  • no v power, 20% off next fill up.
  • 25 minutes between starters and mains but I expected 15 minutes - 50% off the bill.
  • took me 20 minutes longer than normal to get the 13 miles to work - sucked off by David Cameron and free RFL for life.
Tell her to get stuffed - in a professional and courteous reply.

Bluequay

1,156 posts

88 months

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You've already been more than generous offering 30% off for something so minor, I would withdraw the offer due to her blackmail, somebody like that is going to give you a bad review anyway, so you might as well keep the cash.

mattdaniels

5,145 posts

152 months

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Respond back and tell her you're glad she is not going to post a detrimental review as otherwise her email would read as a threat of extortion and you know fulwell she is not the sort of person to make such threats, particularly in writing.

Politely restate your offer with the reasons behind it. Do not increase it. It's more than generous enough!


hidetheelephants

5,719 posts

63 months

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CommanderJameson said:
hidetheelephants said:
My employers regularly book me into one of the 3 worst hotels in Aberdeen(I assume that one or more of the directors have a pecuniary interest in them as the company probably use circa 6000 room/nights a year). I reviewed them on Trip Advisor while enjoying the crappy hospitality; see if you can spot me.
Royal or Highland?

[confession]I love reading the bad reviews on TripAdvisor.[/confession]
My reviews were actually middle of the road compared with some of the others; Royal, Station and St Magnus, an unholy trinity.

mildmannered

567 posts

23 months

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Bluequay said:
You've already been more than generous offering 30% off for something so minor, I would withdraw the offer due to her blackmail, somebody like that is going to give you a bad review anyway, so you might as well keep the cash.
Totally agree, after hearing more of the story, it sounds like they're a bully and think that they have you on your back foot (or whatever the expression is?)

They gambled, they lost. Spend the money on some nice new tablecloths biggrin

garyhun

14,119 posts

98 months

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Mrs Garyhun works in a hotel that do a lot of weddings ans it seems a common theme for people to try to get money off for the minutest of issues. Professional discounters I call them.

OP - as has been said, 30% is WAY TOO MUCH!!!

BrabusMog

5,020 posts

56 months

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If she's that mad that she thinks she can get more than 30% off for a few minor faults, I'd suggest she isn't going to be married for long. Therefore, I'd be inclined to retract the 30% refund and just offer her 30% off her next booking with hubby #2.

Mattygooner

4,268 posts

74 months

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30%.....

10% max.

ihire hotels, big hotels for 1300+ dinners, nothing you have mentioned would have me asking them for a refund, let alone any of my guests asking me for one.

mikeveal

1,124 posts

120 months

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40% for that is waaaaaaaay too much. So is 30% IMHO.

Withdraw the offer. If 30% isn't acceptable to your client (won't make her happy), then there is no point in paying it. You pay nothing, she's pissed off. You pay 30% she's pissed off. Why pay 30%? It gets you nothing.

Let her post her review, it'll be trip advisor. Go to trip advisor with your email from her threatening a bad review if you don't increase your already overly generous offer and ask for the review to be removed. It will be removed.



I always check tripadvisor before booking a hotel. I always read the bad reviews. I look for two things, multiple complaints about the same issue and the reasonableness (is that a word) of the reviewer. Even the very best places get the occasional bad review, that's life. It's easy to spot the hacked off nutter who's trying to harm a business by leaving a bad review.

Isaac Hunt

6,820 posts

81 months

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Dear Bridezilla

In response to your recent email, I would like to advise you that I was recently considering upping my offer from 30% discount to 40%. However, in light of your threat to write a derogatory online review and also discussions that have taken place with myself and other industry champions, I would like to now reduce my offer to 10%.

Kind regards.

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