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elster

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HeatonNorris said:
elster said:
What is the difference between exploitation and providing a service in your mind?

Factories - Is this pure exploitation to have shift work?
I did have a response to this typed out, but I'm losing the will to live, as it's something people will argue about forever and a day.

Factories etc., have established shift patterns, where mostly you'll either sign up for a single, permanent shift - or you'll be on a rotation, where you know your early, mid, late pattern, as it never changes.

Retail is more like:

Sunday: 12pm-6pm
Monday: 6am-3pm
Tuesday: Day off
Wednesday: 2pm-10pm
Thursday: 9am-6pm
Friday: 3pm-11pm
Saturday: 2pm-10pm

Next week will be completely different, the following different again - your day off will move, your late / mid / early pattern will be random (with only the working time directive to protect you - I recall the days of 3pm-11pm back to back with 6am-3pm the following day)

Sadly, the only union in the industry is powerless to do anything about this, and the employer will cite 'customer demand' as a reason to change things at the drop of a hat.

If the patterns were established, it wouldn't be so much of an issue - but they're not, and never will be, as the store wage budget fluctuates according to predicted trade - it's a moving feast, unlike many other industries.

As I posted earlier - I bailed over a decade ago, as the above shift patterns were screwing about with my head - I could barely sleep if I had the late / early combo, was surviving on pro-plus tablets - and ended up in hospital, absolutely burned out.
So the whole point of this is that working those hours doesn't suit you, and so no one else should be allowed to.

Factories don't all have regular shifts.

Dan_1981

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69 months

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A decade ago you'd be hard pushed to find a single 24hr supermarket, 10 years before that the supermarket in our local town still had a half day on a Wednesday.

The world didn't end when staff were suddenly asked to work on a Wednesday afternoon, nor when they started opening on a Sunday, and very little changed when things went 24 hour.

I don't see why a few extra hours on a Sunday is such a big problem.


HeatonNorris

1,649 posts

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elster said:
So the whole point of this is that working those hours doesn't suit you, and so no one else should be allowed to.

Factories don't all have regular shifts.
Try it for yourself, before dismissing it. The industry has a large incidence of physical and mental breakdown due to the body not being built to sustain such screwed up patterns on a long term basis.

Instead of justifying the move (not just extended Sunday hours, but the whole 24/7 opening thing) on the grounds that others do it - I think we should look at it the other way - we should do our best to have as few people as possible doing shift patterns that are out of sync with the large proportion of society.

On the flip side - if people have to do it, then shifts should be in a predictable pattern, and unsociable hours adequately rewarded.

May sound idealistic, but I truly believe society as a whole would benefit.

elster

16,666 posts

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HeatonNorris said:
elster said:
So the whole point of this is that working those hours doesn't suit you, and so no one else should be allowed to.

Factories don't all have regular shifts.
Try it for yourself, before dismissing it. The industry has a large incidence of physical and mental breakdown due to the body not being built to sustain such screwed up patterns on a long term basis.

Instead of justifying the move (not just extended Sunday hours, but the whole 24/7 opening thing) on the grounds that others do it - I think we should look at it the other way - we should do our best to have as few people as possible doing shift patterns that are out of sync with the large proportion of society.

On the flip side - if people have to do it, then shifts should be in a predictable pattern, and unsociable hours adequately rewarded.

May sound idealistic, but I truly believe society as a whole would benefit.
I do and have worked irregular shifts for the past 10 years. It doesn't bother me in the slightest, I like it as it gives me times to do things that I couldn't do by doing a 9-5. A lot of people I know work shift patterns, very irregular ones too.

If you are advocating using a multi week shift pattern, then that's great. It has nothing to do with Sunday opening though.

HeatonNorris

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elster said:
If you are advocating using a multi week shift pattern, then that's great. It has nothing to do with Sunday opening though.
We have digressed - the discussion started with the employees just screwing people over by moving their hours from during the week into the Sunday late shift. Which is what will happen. But that's part of the larger picture that there is no set shift pattern for many retail workers, so this is just another little move to further impact the quality of life of some of our lowest paid workers.
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