Unpopular opinion - NHS is useless

Unpopular opinion - NHS is useless

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KobayashiMaru86

1,172 posts

210 months

Tuesday 16th April
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I want to start looking into private options as I can't even get an appointment for a checkup now. Want to see if everything is OK as Dad died a few months ago so want to test myself should there be any concerns. Not been to a doctor in ages so naively phoned up thinking I could book for a few weeks time when I'm off. Was told quite aggressively "no, that's not how it works!". Well excuse me for trying to plan ahead! I have to phone at 8:30 every day in the hope there's a slot for someone to ring you back who then may decide to see you and if they do, being a group practice, they could send you miles away from your home town surgery. It's farcical. I want to do preventative maintenance and check on some pre-existing things and they don't want to know. Even if I rung up for a prescription I get the third degree and they want to know why and why for.

Downward

3,596 posts

103 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Bill said:
Slowboathome said:
That's not an explanation. That's just a description of the cost of healthcare in the UK.

What makes you think the funding models used by Canada, Germany and France are so inferior to the one in the UK?
How about we increase NHS funding to the same level per capita/as a % GDP, and match the investment those countries' systems have had?

Then we'll see if the NHS failings are due to inefficiency or simple lack of investment.
This would be an idea, Maybe go the other way and make the NHS solely public again.
Then we don’t have companies running the NHS who only care about profit.

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3,596 posts

103 months

Tuesday 16th April
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bigothunter said:
Mr Pointy said:
Wadeski said:
Megaflow said:
Boing...

I have been waiting for an ENT appointment for well over a year. Finally got some acknowledgement of that today... It was a text message directing me to an online for to say I had been waiting for a while, do I still need it!

WTAF.
While infuriating, I imagine the % of people who just get better and forget to cancel appointments is significant hehe
Fortuantely some of them just die while waiting so that helps as well.
120,000 deaths per year waiting for NHS treatment helps reduce demand.

14,000 dying needlessly in England every year waiting in A&E for up to 12 hours helps too.

Every death matters...


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/30/na...
Crazy, Those 14k would have lived if it wasn’t for folk in A&E who don’t need it.
Then again if someone needs some non urgent care after 5pm or on a weekend then they pop up to A&E.

The NHS is too big too many organisations all battling against each other.
There should be joined up healthcare but with councils, private care homes, private healthcare and the NHS it’s never going to work.


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3,596 posts

103 months

Tuesday 16th April
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KobayashiMaru86 said:
I want to start looking into private options as I can't even get an appointment for a checkup now. Want to see if everything is OK as Dad died a few months ago so want to test myself should there be any concerns. Not been to a doctor in ages so naively phoned up thinking I could book for a few weeks time when I'm off. Was told quite aggressively "no, that's not how it works!". Well excuse me for trying to plan ahead! I have to phone at 8:30 every day in the hope there's a slot for someone to ring you back who then may decide to see you and if they do, being a group practice, they could send you miles away from your home town surgery. It's farcical. I want to do preventative maintenance and check on some pre-existing things and they don't want to know. Even if I rung up for a prescription I get the third degree and they want to know why and why for.
As a long term NHS worker for over half my life I’ve gone private too.
Luckily my wife works for a big billion dollar pharma and with salary sacrifice gets private healthcare for the family for £35 a month (They contribute £55 and the rest is not paying tax and NI)


KAgantua

3,875 posts

131 months

Tuesday 16th April
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KobayashiMaru86 said:
I want to start looking into private options as I can't even get an appointment for a checkup now. Want to see if everything is OK as Dad died a few months ago so want to test myself should there be any concerns. Not been to a doctor in ages so naively phoned up thinking I could book for a few weeks time when I'm off. Was told quite aggressively "no, that's not how it works!". Well excuse me for trying to plan ahead! I have to phone at 8:30 every day in the hope there's a slot for someone to ring you back who then may decide to see you and if they do, being a group practice, they could send you miles away from your home town surgery. It's farcical. I want to do preventative maintenance and check on some pre-existing things and they don't want to know. Even if I rung up for a prescription I get the third degree and they want to know why and why for.
My gf is Polish and she says Polish doctors laugh at the UK and its 'wait until its broken' approach to "preventative care"

The NHS is broken

Evanivitch

20,094 posts

122 months

Tuesday 16th April
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KobayashiMaru86 said:
I want to start looking into private options as I can't even get an appointment for a checkup now.
When has the NHS ever just dome checkups? This is an Americanism that's crept in and is above and beyond what the NHS is funded for.

Megaflow

9,425 posts

225 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Evanivitch said:
When has the NHS ever just dome checkups? This is an Americanism that's crept in and is above and beyond what the NHS is funded for.
Sort of. They do the over 40’s check, which IIRC correctly, should be every five years. They were 6 years late inviting me for mine.

Surely it also makes sense, keep an eye on people and problems can be found before they become serious and can be dealt with quicker and cheaper.

Evanivitch

20,094 posts

122 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Megaflow said:
Sort of. They do the over 40’s check, which IIRC correctly, should be every five years. They were 6 years late inviting me for mine.

Surely it also makes sense, keep an eye on people and problems can be found before they become serious and can be dealt with quicker and cheaper.
It makes complete sense to do it, but if it's not funded and it's not contracted with GPs then who's paying for it?

lizardbrain

2,000 posts

37 months

Tuesday 16th April
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Do GPs get paid anything if they do a checkup?

KobayashiMaru86

1,172 posts

210 months

Wednesday 17th April
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Evanivitch said:
KobayashiMaru86 said:
I want to start looking into private options as I can't even get an appointment for a checkup now.
When has the NHS ever just dome checkups? This is an Americanism that's crept in and is above and beyond what the NHS is funded for.
They have done a few times for me, last time around 10 years ago (in a small, rural surgery too!) and a lot more when I was younger. Even if it's just check pressures, ask them questions about specific things. There will be hereditary problems I'll be going into soon based what others in my family have. Preventative maintenance would solve and catch a lot of it. Now they decide to push it on to pharmacists and put it under minor ailments. Had this nonsense when my hayfever was at it's worst.

pavarotti1980

4,899 posts

84 months

Wednesday 17th April
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KobayashiMaru86 said:
They have done a few times for me, last time around 10 years ago (in a small, rural surgery too!) and a lot more when I was younger. Even if it's just check pressures, ask them questions about specific things. There will be hereditary problems I'll be going into soon based what others in my family have. Preventative maintenance would solve and catch a lot of it. Now they decide to push it on to pharmacists and put it under minor ailments. Had this nonsense when my hayfever was at it's worst.
To be fair 99.99999999% of hayfever is a pretty minor ailment treating well by over the counter antihistamines and certainly doesn't require a GP

KobayashiMaru86

1,172 posts

210 months

Wednesday 17th April
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pavarotti1980 said:
KobayashiMaru86 said:
They have done a few times for me, last time around 10 years ago (in a small, rural surgery too!) and a lot more when I was younger. Even if it's just check pressures, ask them questions about specific things. There will be hereditary problems I'll be going into soon based what others in my family have. Preventative maintenance would solve and catch a lot of it. Now they decide to push it on to pharmacists and put it under minor ailments. Had this nonsense when my hayfever was at it's worst.
To be fair 99.99999999% of hayfever is a pretty minor ailment treating well by over the counter antihistamines and certainly doesn't require a GP
It does when you can't breath, you feel like you're drowning every day, can't sleep and all the cheap stuff doesn't work. When I told the pharmacist how much of the usual stuff I was overdosing by to even function he told me it wasn't normal. It took me to find Bilastine via a recommendation and it was a fight to get that out of them.

pavarotti1980

4,899 posts

84 months

Wednesday 17th April
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KobayashiMaru86 said:
It does when you can't breath, you feel like you're drowning every day, can't sleep and all the cheap stuff doesn't work. When I told the pharmacist how much of the usual stuff I was overdosing by to even function he told me it wasn't normal. It took me to find Bilastine via a recommendation and it was a fight to get that out of them.
Which is why I said 99.999+%

Fexofenadine is much better and does not require a prescription.

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3,596 posts

103 months

Wednesday 17th April
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pavarotti1980 said:
KobayashiMaru86 said:
It does when you can't breath, you feel like you're drowning every day, can't sleep and all the cheap stuff doesn't work. When I told the pharmacist how much of the usual stuff I was overdosing by to even function he told me it wasn't normal. It took me to find Bilastine via a recommendation and it was a fight to get that out of them.
Which is why I said 99.999+%

Fexofenadine is much better and does not require a prescription.
Some private clinics do the injection still.

pavarotti1980

4,899 posts

84 months

Wednesday 17th April
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Downward said:
Some private clinics do the injection still.
Which injection?

Riley Blue

20,965 posts

226 months

Wednesday 17th April
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Evanivitch said:
Megaflow said:
Sort of. They do the over 40’s check, which IIRC correctly, should be every five years. They were 6 years late inviting me for mine.

Surely it also makes sense, keep an eye on people and problems can be found before they become serious and can be dealt with quicker and cheaper.
It makes complete sense to do it, but if it's not funded and it's not contracted with GPs then who's paying for it?
Someone must be paying for all this:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/nhs-health-check/

KobayashiMaru86

1,172 posts

210 months

Wednesday 17th April
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pavarotti1980 said:
KobayashiMaru86 said:
It does when you can't breath, you feel like you're drowning every day, can't sleep and all the cheap stuff doesn't work. When I told the pharmacist how much of the usual stuff I was overdosing by to even function he told me it wasn't normal. It took me to find Bilastine via a recommendation and it was a fight to get that out of them.
Which is why I said 99.999+%

Fexofenadine is much better and does not require a prescription.
Fexofenadine barely lasts me an hour (120mg Allevia). That's what I was overdosing on.

joshcowin

6,809 posts

176 months

Wednesday 17th April
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KobayashiMaru86 said:
I want to start looking into private options as I can't even get an appointment for a checkup now. Want to see if everything is OK as Dad died a few months ago so want to test myself should there be any concerns. Not been to a doctor in ages so naively phoned up thinking I could book for a few weeks time when I'm off. Was told quite aggressively "no, that's not how it works!". Well excuse me for trying to plan ahead! I have to phone at 8:30 every day in the hope there's a slot for someone to ring you back who then may decide to see you and if they do, being a group practice, they could send you miles away from your home town surgery. It's farcical. I want to do preventative maintenance and check on some pre-existing things and they don't want to know. Even if I rung up for a prescription I get the third degree and they want to know why and why for.
Its not farcical, you sound like you don't need any medical attention at present so why would you go to the NHS? You want to chat about your concerns and run some basic checks, yeah book a private consultation with an appropriate doctor.

I think you are a sensible person who is concerned with their health and wants to keep on top of things. FWIW

98elise

26,626 posts

161 months

Wednesday 17th April
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Evanivitch said:
Megaflow said:
Sort of. They do the over 40’s check, which IIRC correctly, should be every five years. They were 6 years late inviting me for mine.

Surely it also makes sense, keep an eye on people and problems can be found before they become serious and can be dealt with quicker and cheaper.
It makes complete sense to do it, but if it's not funded and it's not contracted with GPs then who's paying for it?
What would you even be asking for from a GP check up? When I call my GP they want to know what your appointment is for. I don't think I can just ask for a check up without a specific reason.

I had a private one through my company (they did it as a walk in during office hours) and it was little more than weight, BP etc.

I know people that go for private full check ups, but that's all sorts of checks (scans, blood tests etc) and is a few hours with a follow up afterwards. Didn't stop one of them getting terminal cancer though frown

joshcowin

6,809 posts

176 months

Wednesday 17th April
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Megaflow said:
At this point in time it wouldn’t surprise me if they are making people wait until they get bored of waiting or kark it…

It’s become a national embarrassment, I firmly believe you could double the budget overnight and it would make fuxk all difference. The management of it is so bad.
My brother is a manager in the NHS. Honestly him and the team he works with couldn't work harder, they are all switched on people who have pretty balanced views.

I often discuss the NHS as a whole with him as I say he is a switched on bloke, he has said a more business mindset has crept into the management however it will not work as they are working within an organization that offers innumerable services to an every increasing population.

People look to private healthcare in the states, what people fail to mention is that sometimes people are traveling hours and 100's of miles to access certain specialists. He makes loads of other really good points if I am honest he has changed my opinion on a fair few points.

As for private healthcare here, well its heavily reliant on the NHS, both in terms of infrastructure and staffing and unfortunately we have all grown up thinking we have paid for our healthcare through taxation, when at present the reality is that funding the NHS alone would mean each UK resident pay £2500 a year just for healthcare. A case in point my grandmother just paid for a hip replacement £12k+, operated on in an NHS hospital, stayed in an NHS ward, moved via NHS ambulance. I am aware the private sector would have paid a sum for this however my point is the private health sector here is heavily reliant on the NHS.

I think the sooner we introduce some form of payment to access services the better!