Unpopular opinion - NHS is useless
Discussion
V6 Pushfit said:
Performance - yes it’s poor. Just looking at the first 6 months of Covid we were way above other countries for deaths v infections. So much so Govt stopped issuing ‘recovered’ numbers less than 6 we
Remind me what the increased risk factors were for Covid in 2020?And how do they correlate with the wider health (or lack of) in the United Kingdom?
Evanivitch said:
V6 Pushfit said:
Performance - yes it’s poor. Just looking at the first 6 months of Covid we were way above other countries for deaths v infections. So much so Govt stopped issuing ‘recovered’ numbers less than 6 we
Remind me what the increased risk factors were for Covid in 2020?And how do they correlate with the wider health (or lack of) in the United Kingdom?
We had that idiot Kuesenberg to BJ: ‘will you resign if…’ …or whatever single question she could make up from the paper she read on the bus on the way to the presser - when the REAL question should have been ‘why are we doing so patently badly with our patients compared with every other EU country’? (And not accepting ‘er well it’s all err down to data err collection’ as an answer.
One issue with NHS is the variability, the old curate's egg scenario. Some parts are absolutely brilliant, others just seem a complete shambles.
Take two GP practices, ours and one 4 miles away.
The one 4 miles away, ring up for an appointment or look online, there will still be few late ones for today, even as it's approaching 4pm. Choice of any number throughout tomorrow.
Ours the scheme is, try online, appointments will be weeks away. So the norm is the 8am phone lines open, you're x-th in the queue. If you eventually get to the front of the queue, you'll get an appointment for a call back, worst case is all have gone, try tomorrow. You are not allowed to make an appointment for the next day, it's back to the 8am lottery. And if during the call back the doctor decides they need to see you face to face, as it's not something that can be diagnosed with an out of focus selfie on your phone, then the GP tries to book, 50% of the time nope you'll have to ring up tomorrow and tell them I've said need to see you. Tomorrow comes, hang on forever, or use call back system, sorry all appointments gone, try 8am tomorrow.
If you have an ongoing situation so it's an update, not an urgent need, then the online booking for something back end of August is OK one supposes.
This leads you to think that the system is completely overloaded. Yet the bloody practice is advertising on Faceache as open for out of area registrations.
So why not swap to the one 4 miles away, not permitted, out of area. Effing shambles. Couldn't make it up, and what's the situation going to be when the 600 or so new homes are built in various developments.
It's part of the reason why folks end up going to A&E or minor injuries hoping to jump a queue.
Against that you have the situations where sheer brilliance shows.
Take two GP practices, ours and one 4 miles away.
The one 4 miles away, ring up for an appointment or look online, there will still be few late ones for today, even as it's approaching 4pm. Choice of any number throughout tomorrow.
Ours the scheme is, try online, appointments will be weeks away. So the norm is the 8am phone lines open, you're x-th in the queue. If you eventually get to the front of the queue, you'll get an appointment for a call back, worst case is all have gone, try tomorrow. You are not allowed to make an appointment for the next day, it's back to the 8am lottery. And if during the call back the doctor decides they need to see you face to face, as it's not something that can be diagnosed with an out of focus selfie on your phone, then the GP tries to book, 50% of the time nope you'll have to ring up tomorrow and tell them I've said need to see you. Tomorrow comes, hang on forever, or use call back system, sorry all appointments gone, try 8am tomorrow.
If you have an ongoing situation so it's an update, not an urgent need, then the online booking for something back end of August is OK one supposes.
This leads you to think that the system is completely overloaded. Yet the bloody practice is advertising on Faceache as open for out of area registrations.
So why not swap to the one 4 miles away, not permitted, out of area. Effing shambles. Couldn't make it up, and what's the situation going to be when the 600 or so new homes are built in various developments.
It's part of the reason why folks end up going to A&E or minor injuries hoping to jump a queue.
Against that you have the situations where sheer brilliance shows.
bristolracer said:
No political party will ever have the bottle to undertake any kind of deep reform.
Just look at the 'save the NHS' mantra that kicked off during covid
You would have to be a very brave or very foolish MP to try.
The Conservative/Lib Dem coalition did with the 2012 Health and Social Act....that went so well they are trying to reverse almost every facet of it nowJust look at the 'save the NHS' mantra that kicked off during covid
You would have to be a very brave or very foolish MP to try.
I’m trying to book an appointment for an MRI review. So far it’s taken 12 days and probably 6 messages I’ve left and two emails. I missed one phone call from an unknown number yesterday - was it the hospital? No message, nothing - could have been anyone. So more calls to make I fear….
If 10% of this charade happened dealing with a company they would be out of business in a month.
If 10% of this charade happened dealing with a company they would be out of business in a month.
Mr Doctors surgery sent me a questionnaire today.....
Pick 1
1. Would you like more appointments availablity during working hours.
Or
2.Would you like more appointments outside working hours.
Then a comments box..... I said I don't care when the appointment is I'd just like to be able to get one !
Pick 1
1. Would you like more appointments availablity during working hours.
Or
2.Would you like more appointments outside working hours.
Then a comments box..... I said I don't care when the appointment is I'd just like to be able to get one !
I had a brain haemorrhage last November. Lucky me.
I’m fit and healthy 40s (just), it happened in the gym!
The hospital is about 3 miles from the gym. The ambulance arrived after 30 minutes, ok we can see how that might happen and excuse the nhs for the delay.
By the time it arrived I was slumped in my car, with my training mate dealing with the paramedics. One paramedic basically told me to get out of the car or else she would have to get the fire brigade to chop the roof off my ‘expensive motor’ (Aston), and thought it was all a bit of a laugh. My mate took the other paramedic to one side and explained that his colleague’s comments were far from acceptable and for her to shut the f
k up. They then bundled me into the ambulance and took me to A&E. I was oblivious to all this and he told me about it weeks later.
At A&E I was left on a trolley in a corridor where my wife found me. She got hold of one of the ER consultants who immediately got me into one of their rooms and they started working on me, I have no idea how long I was on the trolley before I was found.
After a scan that showed I had a bleed on my brain it was decided to transfer me to Hull (from York) as their neuro care is much better. The consultant said it would be touch and go if I’d survive the journey. Wife couldnt come with me, we have 2 small children that needed picking up from school and no other family to help.
Thankfully I survived the transfer to Hull and was put in the ITU. Whilst lying there I heard the ward phone ring (it was now evening) and one of the nurses answered. Who? She said? No, nobody here by that name. It was my wife ringing to see if I had made it. After a few minutes the nurse realised the bloke they’d shoved into a room and hooked up to a load of machines before resuming their holiday chat was infact who my wife was looking for.
I proceeded to spend 8 days in ITU and 3 more on a ward. It was absolute hell on earth and there were many times when I wished to die there and then. I lost 2 stone in that time, I wasnt overweight when I went in, I came out skeletal. The neglect and lack of compassion was shocking by the nurses and auxiliary staff. I wont go into the detail because I could fill pages with the appalling care. Even the consultants said I would be better off at home, hospital was no place for recovery.
And it wasnt just me, I watched others being railroaded and ignored, fobbed off, ridiculed, absolutely disgusting.
I am thankful the nhs saved my life. It was the worst experience of my life, not because of the pain I was suffering from a brain haemorrhage, but because of the experience in hospital.
I came out of that place in fear of ever having to go back in, or worse, my children, my wife, ever having to go through that level of care. There’s no opt out if its critical, you’re in the nhs and theres fk all you can do about it.
My 3 month follow up with the consultant was another st show. Having waiting for the appointment to come through, nothing arrived. A couple of weeks after it was due I called the hospital only to find out that they’d had ‘IT issues’ and lots of people hadnt got their appointment letters. I was down as a no show, and subsequently would go on a waiting list which I was told would be many months. I complained to the patient advisory service and they sorted me out an appointment the following week. If I hadnt known (through a random conversation with someone about my problem) that such an avenue existed I’d probably still be waiting. (And to this day I have heard zero from my local GP about my wellbeing, probably expecting too much here).
My experience was that the doctors and consultants did a great job. The aux staff and nurses were on the whole a pile of crap. Probably unfair to generalise but some of those people really shouldn’t be in careers where compassion and care is key. I think getting rid of ward matrons/sisters/whatever has been a huge mistake and standards have gone downhill.
I appreciate this will not go down well with nhs evangelists, but the cold hard truth is the nhs is a disgrace and needs properly sorting out. I know it wont be and we will carry on making excuses for poor performance.
Just to add - I’m ok now, survived and getting back to normal. Had to work most of this st out for myself but back in the gym and doing normal things again.
I’m fit and healthy 40s (just), it happened in the gym!
The hospital is about 3 miles from the gym. The ambulance arrived after 30 minutes, ok we can see how that might happen and excuse the nhs for the delay.
By the time it arrived I was slumped in my car, with my training mate dealing with the paramedics. One paramedic basically told me to get out of the car or else she would have to get the fire brigade to chop the roof off my ‘expensive motor’ (Aston), and thought it was all a bit of a laugh. My mate took the other paramedic to one side and explained that his colleague’s comments were far from acceptable and for her to shut the f
k up. They then bundled me into the ambulance and took me to A&E. I was oblivious to all this and he told me about it weeks later.At A&E I was left on a trolley in a corridor where my wife found me. She got hold of one of the ER consultants who immediately got me into one of their rooms and they started working on me, I have no idea how long I was on the trolley before I was found.
After a scan that showed I had a bleed on my brain it was decided to transfer me to Hull (from York) as their neuro care is much better. The consultant said it would be touch and go if I’d survive the journey. Wife couldnt come with me, we have 2 small children that needed picking up from school and no other family to help.
Thankfully I survived the transfer to Hull and was put in the ITU. Whilst lying there I heard the ward phone ring (it was now evening) and one of the nurses answered. Who? She said? No, nobody here by that name. It was my wife ringing to see if I had made it. After a few minutes the nurse realised the bloke they’d shoved into a room and hooked up to a load of machines before resuming their holiday chat was infact who my wife was looking for.
I proceeded to spend 8 days in ITU and 3 more on a ward. It was absolute hell on earth and there were many times when I wished to die there and then. I lost 2 stone in that time, I wasnt overweight when I went in, I came out skeletal. The neglect and lack of compassion was shocking by the nurses and auxiliary staff. I wont go into the detail because I could fill pages with the appalling care. Even the consultants said I would be better off at home, hospital was no place for recovery.
And it wasnt just me, I watched others being railroaded and ignored, fobbed off, ridiculed, absolutely disgusting.
I am thankful the nhs saved my life. It was the worst experience of my life, not because of the pain I was suffering from a brain haemorrhage, but because of the experience in hospital.
I came out of that place in fear of ever having to go back in, or worse, my children, my wife, ever having to go through that level of care. There’s no opt out if its critical, you’re in the nhs and theres f
k all you can do about it.My 3 month follow up with the consultant was another s
t show. Having waiting for the appointment to come through, nothing arrived. A couple of weeks after it was due I called the hospital only to find out that they’d had ‘IT issues’ and lots of people hadnt got their appointment letters. I was down as a no show, and subsequently would go on a waiting list which I was told would be many months. I complained to the patient advisory service and they sorted me out an appointment the following week. If I hadnt known (through a random conversation with someone about my problem) that such an avenue existed I’d probably still be waiting. (And to this day I have heard zero from my local GP about my wellbeing, probably expecting too much here).My experience was that the doctors and consultants did a great job. The aux staff and nurses were on the whole a pile of crap. Probably unfair to generalise but some of those people really shouldn’t be in careers where compassion and care is key. I think getting rid of ward matrons/sisters/whatever has been a huge mistake and standards have gone downhill.
I appreciate this will not go down well with nhs evangelists, but the cold hard truth is the nhs is a disgrace and needs properly sorting out. I know it wont be and we will carry on making excuses for poor performance.
Just to add - I’m ok now, survived and getting back to normal. Had to work most of this s
t out for myself but back in the gym and doing normal things again.The NHS have the best medical staff in the world, with the best training.
If the NHS was a fish factory there would be two people gutting fish and one hundred people gutting the fish.
If you gave the NHS a trillion pounds it wouldn't be enough.
If it was a company it would have gone bust years ago.
The pride of our country my ass, it's a total joke that every prime minister tries to get political credence for but knows they are just kicking the can down the road for some other poor sod
If the NHS was a fish factory there would be two people gutting fish and one hundred people gutting the fish.
If you gave the NHS a trillion pounds it wouldn't be enough.
If it was a company it would have gone bust years ago.
The pride of our country my ass, it's a total joke that every prime minister tries to get political credence for but knows they are just kicking the can down the road for some other poor sod
M1AGM said:
I had a brain haemorrhage last November. Lucky me.
I’m fit and healthy 40s (just), it happened in the gym!
The hospital is about 3 miles from the gym. The ambulance arrived after 30 minutes, ok we can see how that might happen and excuse the nhs for the delay.
By the time it arrived I was slumped in my car, with my training mate dealing with the paramedics. One paramedic basically told me to get out of the car or else she would have to get the fire brigade to chop the roof off my ‘expensive motor’ (Aston), and thought it was all a bit of a laugh. My mate took the other paramedic to one side and explained that his colleague’s comments were far from acceptable and for her to shut the fk up. They then bundled me into the ambulance and took me to A&E. I was oblivious to all this and he told me about it weeks later.
At A&E I was left on a trolley in a corridor where my wife found me. She got hold of one of the ER consultants who immediately got me into one of their rooms and they started working on me, I have no idea how long I was on the trolley before I was found.
After a scan that showed I had a bleed on my brain it was decided to transfer me to Hull (from York) as their neuro care is much better. The consultant said it would be touch and go if I’d survive the journey. Wife couldnt come with me, we have 2 small children that needed picking up from school and no other family to help.
Thankfully I survived the transfer to Hull and was put in the ITU. Whilst lying there I heard the ward phone ring (it was now evening) and one of the nurses answered. Who? She said? No, nobody here by that name. It was my wife ringing to see if I had made it. After a few minutes the nurse realised the bloke they’d shoved into a room and hooked up to a load of machines before resuming their holiday chat was infact who my wife was looking for.
I proceeded to spend 8 days in ITU and 3 more on a ward. It was absolute hell on earth and there were many times when I wished to die there and then. I lost 2 stone in that time, I wasnt overweight when I went in, I came out skeletal. The neglect and lack of compassion was shocking by the nurses and auxiliary staff. I wont go into the detail because I could fill pages with the appalling care. Even the consultants said I would be better off at home, hospital was no place for recovery.
And it wasnt just me, I watched others being railroaded and ignored, fobbed off, ridiculed, absolutely disgusting.
I am thankful the nhs saved my life. It was the worst experience of my life, not because of the pain I was suffering from a brain haemorrhage, but because of the experience in hospital.
I came out of that place in fear of ever having to go back in, or worse, my children, my wife, ever having to go through that level of care. There’s no opt out if its critical, you’re in the nhs and theres fk all you can do about it.
My 3 month follow up with the consultant was another st show. Having waiting for the appointment to come through, nothing arrived. A couple of weeks after it was due I called the hospital only to find out that they’d had ‘IT issues’ and lots of people hadnt got their appointment letters. I was down as a no show, and subsequently would go on a waiting list which I was told would be many months. I complained to the patient advisory service and they sorted me out an appointment the following week. If I hadnt known (through a random conversation with someone about my problem) that such an avenue existed I’d probably still be waiting. (And to this day I have heard zero from my local GP about my wellbeing, probably expecting too much here).
My experience was that the doctors and consultants did a great job. The aux staff and nurses were on the whole a pile of crap. Probably unfair to generalise but some of those people really shouldn’t be in careers where compassion and care is key. I think getting rid of ward matrons/sisters/whatever has been a huge mistake and standards have gone downhill.
I appreciate this will not go down well with nhs evangelists, but the cold hard truth is the nhs is a disgrace and needs properly sorting out. I know it wont be and we will carry on making excuses for poor performance.
Just to add - I’m ok now, survived and getting back to normal. Had to work most of this st out for myself but back in the gym and doing normal things again.
A tough read but reality.I’m fit and healthy 40s (just), it happened in the gym!
The hospital is about 3 miles from the gym. The ambulance arrived after 30 minutes, ok we can see how that might happen and excuse the nhs for the delay.
By the time it arrived I was slumped in my car, with my training mate dealing with the paramedics. One paramedic basically told me to get out of the car or else she would have to get the fire brigade to chop the roof off my ‘expensive motor’ (Aston), and thought it was all a bit of a laugh. My mate took the other paramedic to one side and explained that his colleague’s comments were far from acceptable and for her to shut the f
k up. They then bundled me into the ambulance and took me to A&E. I was oblivious to all this and he told me about it weeks later.At A&E I was left on a trolley in a corridor where my wife found me. She got hold of one of the ER consultants who immediately got me into one of their rooms and they started working on me, I have no idea how long I was on the trolley before I was found.
After a scan that showed I had a bleed on my brain it was decided to transfer me to Hull (from York) as their neuro care is much better. The consultant said it would be touch and go if I’d survive the journey. Wife couldnt come with me, we have 2 small children that needed picking up from school and no other family to help.
Thankfully I survived the transfer to Hull and was put in the ITU. Whilst lying there I heard the ward phone ring (it was now evening) and one of the nurses answered. Who? She said? No, nobody here by that name. It was my wife ringing to see if I had made it. After a few minutes the nurse realised the bloke they’d shoved into a room and hooked up to a load of machines before resuming their holiday chat was infact who my wife was looking for.
I proceeded to spend 8 days in ITU and 3 more on a ward. It was absolute hell on earth and there were many times when I wished to die there and then. I lost 2 stone in that time, I wasnt overweight when I went in, I came out skeletal. The neglect and lack of compassion was shocking by the nurses and auxiliary staff. I wont go into the detail because I could fill pages with the appalling care. Even the consultants said I would be better off at home, hospital was no place for recovery.
And it wasnt just me, I watched others being railroaded and ignored, fobbed off, ridiculed, absolutely disgusting.
I am thankful the nhs saved my life. It was the worst experience of my life, not because of the pain I was suffering from a brain haemorrhage, but because of the experience in hospital.
I came out of that place in fear of ever having to go back in, or worse, my children, my wife, ever having to go through that level of care. There’s no opt out if its critical, you’re in the nhs and theres f
k all you can do about it.My 3 month follow up with the consultant was another s
t show. Having waiting for the appointment to come through, nothing arrived. A couple of weeks after it was due I called the hospital only to find out that they’d had ‘IT issues’ and lots of people hadnt got their appointment letters. I was down as a no show, and subsequently would go on a waiting list which I was told would be many months. I complained to the patient advisory service and they sorted me out an appointment the following week. If I hadnt known (through a random conversation with someone about my problem) that such an avenue existed I’d probably still be waiting. (And to this day I have heard zero from my local GP about my wellbeing, probably expecting too much here).My experience was that the doctors and consultants did a great job. The aux staff and nurses were on the whole a pile of crap. Probably unfair to generalise but some of those people really shouldn’t be in careers where compassion and care is key. I think getting rid of ward matrons/sisters/whatever has been a huge mistake and standards have gone downhill.
I appreciate this will not go down well with nhs evangelists, but the cold hard truth is the nhs is a disgrace and needs properly sorting out. I know it wont be and we will carry on making excuses for poor performance.
Just to add - I’m ok now, survived and getting back to normal. Had to work most of this s
t out for myself but back in the gym and doing normal things again.V6 Pushfit said:
A tough read but reality.
Please stop this stupid generalisation! Sad it happened to him but it is not like this for the majority! 4 weeks ago my father had a massive head trauma the ambulance arrived in sub 10minutes hospital within 30, one terrible patch where beds were not available and he was neglected for 17hours however once operated on and in a ward great care again. Again the poster who had the bleed on the brain I feel sorry for you and cannot imagine the stress and upset it put your family through the NHS clearly wasn't great but other trusts are vastly different.
In the last few years the NHS have been nothing but amazing for my family, East Kent Trust. Our GP is decent can get an appointment and they often deal with routine stuff over the phone or video call.
joshcowin said:
Please stop this stupid generalisation! Sad it happened to him but it is not like this for the majority! 4 weeks ago my father had a massive head trauma the ambulance arrived in sub 10minutes hospital within 30, one terrible patch where beds were not available and he was neglected for 17hours however once operated on and in a ward great care again.
Again the poster who had the bleed on the brain I feel sorry for you and cannot imagine the stress and upset it put your family through the NHS clearly wasn't great but other trusts are vastly different.
In the last few years the NHS have been nothing but amazing for my family, East Kent Trust. Our GP is decent can get an appointment and they often deal with routine stuff over the phone or video call.
In that case you’re very lucky living where you do!Again the poster who had the bleed on the brain I feel sorry for you and cannot imagine the stress and upset it put your family through the NHS clearly wasn't great but other trusts are vastly different.
In the last few years the NHS have been nothing but amazing for my family, East Kent Trust. Our GP is decent can get an appointment and they often deal with routine stuff over the phone or video call.
joshcowin said:
Please stop this stupid generalisation! Sad it happened to him but it is not like this for the majority! 4 weeks ago my father had a massive head trauma the ambulance arrived in sub 10minutes hospital within 30, one terrible patch where beds were not available and he was neglected for 17hours however once operated on and in a ward great care again.
Again the poster who had the bleed on the brain I feel sorry for you and cannot imagine the stress and upset it put your family through the NHS clearly wasn't great but other trusts are vastly different.
In the last few years the NHS have been nothing but amazing for my family, East Kent Trust. Our GP is decent can get an appointment and they often deal with routine stuff over the phone or video call.
How do you know ‘its not like this for the majority’? The latest nhs patient survey was the worst on record.Again the poster who had the bleed on the brain I feel sorry for you and cannot imagine the stress and upset it put your family through the NHS clearly wasn't great but other trusts are vastly different.
In the last few years the NHS have been nothing but amazing for my family, East Kent Trust. Our GP is decent can get an appointment and they often deal with routine stuff over the phone or video call.
birdcage said:
The NHS have the best medical staff in the world, with the best training.
If the NHS was a fish factory there would be two people gutting fish and one hundred people gutting the fish.
If you gave the NHS a trillion pounds it wouldn't be enough.
If it was a company it would have gone bust years ago.
The pride of our country my ass, it's a total joke that every prime minister tries to get political credence for but knows they are just kicking the can down the road for some other poor sod
If we funded the NHS as we do today and provided the same services and treatments as 20 years ago there wouldn't be an issue.If the NHS was a fish factory there would be two people gutting fish and one hundred people gutting the fish.
If you gave the NHS a trillion pounds it wouldn't be enough.
If it was a company it would have gone bust years ago.
The pride of our country my ass, it's a total joke that every prime minister tries to get political credence for but knows they are just kicking the can down the road for some other poor sod
It every funding increase from the government comes with the caveat of greater expectations, when in reality the funding literally patches the gaps.
M1AGM said:
My experience was that the doctors and consultants did a great job. The aux staff and nurses were on the whole a pile of crap. Probably unfair to generalise but some of those people really shouldn’t be in careers where compassion and care is key. I think getting rid of ward matrons/sisters/whatever has been a huge mistake and standards have gone downhill.
.
In your opinion, did you think the nurses and auxiliary had too much time on their hands?.
V6 Pushfit said:
In that case you’re very lucky living where you do!
I am only making the point that the NHS isn't terrible as a whole. People on this thread have a bad experience or read about a bad experience and condem the whole thing. Well the NHS isn't structured as one big entity, as can be seen from this thread there is a huge disparity in care. I think the biggest problem with the NHS is that there is no fully developed UK wide private health care system. From my experience the vast majority of "private" Dr's, consultants etc., are full time NHS staff who just see patients on the side.
We need to stop being so precious about the NHS and let a fully fledged private system develop, perhaps that would then free up some resource for the NHS.
We need to stop being so precious about the NHS and let a fully fledged private system develop, perhaps that would then free up some resource for the NHS.
coyft said:
I think the biggest problem with the NHS is that there is no fully developed UK wide private health care system. From my experience the vast majority of "private" Dr's, consultants etc., are full time NHS staff who just see patients on the side.
We need to stop being so precious about the NHS and let a fully fledged private system develop, perhaps that would then free up some resource for the NHS.
What's stopping that?We need to stop being so precious about the NHS and let a fully fledged private system develop, perhaps that would then free up some resource for the NHS.
Perhaps, maybe, it's that people are happy to pay a few £100 to get ahead of the queue, but they're not prepared to pay a life changing amount of money for surgery or ongoing treatment that is available on the NHS?
It’s almost impossible to get an appointment at our doctors and there’s a big wait for ambulances and treatments.
The NHS was designed to deal with a population of 49.4 million people at its inception in 1948. The life expectancy for men was 66. The population is now 67.44 million and life expectancy is 81.
Can the NHS ever be funded sufficiently to cope with those changes?
Maybe part privatisation is an answer?
The NHS was designed to deal with a population of 49.4 million people at its inception in 1948. The life expectancy for men was 66. The population is now 67.44 million and life expectancy is 81.
Can the NHS ever be funded sufficiently to cope with those changes?
Maybe part privatisation is an answer?
Some elements of the NHS work exceedingly well, others are awful. My recent experience has been generally favourable with a few exceptions.
We need to stop all this political pretence and put the NHS on a proper functional footing with managers held responsible. Same way successful business operates. And stop confusing profiteering with merely controlling budget, so that finances break even on the balance sheet.
We need to stop all this political pretence and put the NHS on a proper functional footing with managers held responsible. Same way successful business operates. And stop confusing profiteering with merely controlling budget, so that finances break even on the balance sheet.
Evanivitch said:
What's stopping that?
Perhaps, maybe, it's that people are happy to pay a few £100 to get ahead of the queue, but they're not prepared to pay a life changing amount of money for surgery or ongoing treatment that is available on the NHS?
We seem to be in constant fear of a two tier system.Perhaps, maybe, it's that people are happy to pay a few £100 to get ahead of the queue, but they're not prepared to pay a life changing amount of money for surgery or ongoing treatment that is available on the NHS?
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