Building muscle in your 40s

Building muscle in your 40s

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LaterLosers

952 posts

74 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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mcelliott said:
LaterLosers said:
I agree with MC I would even go as far as saying ditch the weights and just do callisthenics.

Keep yourself slim, trim and agile. You don’t want to be lumbering around lots of muscle mass into your fifties your asking for a heart attack.
That last bit is utter rubbish, people in their 50s and 60s that carry a large amount of muscle live waaay longer than individuals that don't, carrying muscle gives you huge benefits, from protection against falls as you get older (better balance), increased bone density and far greater protection against chronic illness the list is endless, and all backed up by the science.
The science is unproven. It is only in the last twenty, thirty years that steroids have become mainstream.

You only have to watch England rugby matches from the 80/90s to see all this bulk we now seem to carry around is a relatively new concept.

We will soon start to see how well the juicers age.





essexplumber

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7,751 posts

174 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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LaterLosers said:


We will soon start to see how well the juicers age.
But what about bulk without the juice? That’s the point I think some are making. Obviously the risks of steroid abuse are known but having natural muscle mass into later life and it’s pro’s and con’s?

Scabutz

7,683 posts

81 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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essexplumber said:
LaterLosers said:


We will soon start to see how well the juicers age.
But what about bulk without the juice? That’s the point I think some are making. Obviously the risks of steroid abuse are known but having natural muscle mass into later life and it’s pro’s and con’s?
Yeah steriod abuse and muscle mass in age are two separate things entirely.

I've only ever heard of benefits of increased muscle mass in age. There was a stroy on BBC just last week that weight lifting makes you live longer. I've never seen anything that says your heart attack risk goes up if you have lots of muscle in old age (unless that's a product of taking huge amounts of steriods).

It's not all beer and skittles for endurance athletes as they age either. I forget what's it's called but there is some heart condition caused by the huge variance between resting and maximum heart rate.

spikeyhead

17,391 posts

198 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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From what I remember of the BBC article, resistance training was slightly better than cardio, but both together were best.

Variety wins again

mcelliott

8,706 posts

182 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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LaterLosers said:
mcelliott said:
LaterLosers said:
I agree with MC I would even go as far as saying ditch the weights and just do callisthenics.

Keep yourself slim, trim and agile. You don’t want to be lumbering around lots of muscle mass into your fifties your asking for a heart attack.
That last bit is utter rubbish, people in their 50s and 60s that carry a large amount of muscle live waaay longer than individuals that don't, carrying muscle gives you huge benefits, from protection against falls as you get older (better balance), increased bone density and far greater protection against chronic illness the list is endless, and all backed up by the science.
The science is unproven. It is only in the last twenty, thirty years that steroids have become mainstream.

You only have to watch England rugby matches from the 80/90s to see all this bulk we now seem to carry around is a relatively new concept.

We will soon start to see how well the juicers age.
I'm not talking about 260lb mass monsters that take PEDs I'm talking about Joe average building muscle naturally,

mikiec

308 posts

87 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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I’m close to turning 47 and maintain decent shape, the lessons I’ve learnt are;
Creatine works, don’t know if I maintain weight once I cycle off( and lose the water weight) but always good for some strength gains.
Prioritize your sleep, 25 year olds can get gains on a few hours, I need 7-8 consistently to keep progressing.
Eat smart, lots of quality protein.
Booze is super detrimental
Don’t overdo it, injuries take way longer to sort themselves so if in doubt ease off rather than push it.
Sprints/ super hi intensity stuff is great, mix it in occasionally.

MC Bodge

21,742 posts

176 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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spikeyhead said:
From what I remember of the BBC article, resistance training was slightly better than cardio, but both together were best.

Variety wins again
Quite.

As a number of us have suggested.

Eat well
Be active -in different ways

And one will be healthier and happier than the a majority of the unhappy, unhealthy population.

egor110

16,925 posts

204 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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MC Bodge said:
spikeyhead said:
From what I remember of the BBC article, resistance training was slightly better than cardio, but both together were best.

Variety wins again
Quite.

As a number of us have suggested.

Eat well
Be active -in different ways

And one will be healthier and happier than the a majority of the unhappy, unhealthy population.
Trouble is a few on this thread equal doing weights to roided up body builders when that's what's being suggested to the o/p


MC Bodge

21,742 posts

176 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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egor110 said:
MC Bodge said:
spikeyhead said:
From what I remember of the BBC article, resistance training was slightly better than cardio, but both together were best.

Variety wins again
Quite.

As a number of us have suggested.

Eat well
Be active -in different ways

And one will be healthier and happier than the a majority of the unhappy, unhealthy population.
Trouble is a few on this thread equal doing weights to roided up body builders when that's what's being suggested to the o/p
I think the OP now has enough info to go on and sounds as if he is heading in the right direction.

It doesn't sound as if he wants to become an obsessive muscle builder or an ultra endurance athlete.

This sort of thread often descends into the entrenched factions, which is a bit odd.

oddman

2,363 posts

253 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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Just chipping in on the strength into old age thing

Although longevity is probably more related to cardiovascular fitness, sarcopenia is real and if you look at most old folk it's loss of muscle strength that is the most disabling. For all of the family members I've had that have gone into care it has not been the primary diagnosis, whether that be heart disease, cancer, Alzheimers, it's been the inabilty of them to weight bear and move making it impossible to manage their care at home.

I hate weight training and would much rather go out for a four hour ride or two hour run than spend half an hour lifting weights (10 minutes lifting and 20 sitting about in reality) but seeing how my contemporaries in their 50s are beginning to stoop; can't squat to pick things up; have to sit down to put their shoes and socks on etc., I'm starting to prioritise weights over cardio.

I think the weight vs. cardio is a bit of a false dichotomy (top endurance athletes take weight training seriously) but I find I can't face weights if I'm doing 7-10hours of endurance based activity a week so I've dialled back the running/cycling to accommodate.

As posted above, your ability to respond to a given stimulus (ie training programme) with gains in muscle mass is determined by genetics and someone gifted genetically will likely respond better in their 40s than a less gifted individual in their 20s. I'll never be a gainer (sort of fat prone endomorph who can't keep out of the fridge and away from the corkscrew) but if I can keep a reasonably respectable silhouette and maintain strength I'll be happy.

TLDR - don't worry about visible muscle gains just focus on strength - your older self will thank you

MC Bodge

21,742 posts

176 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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oddman said:
Just chipping in on the strength into old age thing

Although longevity is probably more related to cardiovascular fitness, sarcopenia is real and if you look at most old folk it's loss of muscle strength that is the most disabling. For all of the family members I've had that have gone into care it has not been the primary diagnosis, whether that be heart disease, cancer, Alzheimers, it's been the inabilty of them to weight bear and move making it impossible to manage their care at home.

I hate weight training and would much rather go out for a four hour ride or two hour run than spend half an hour lifting weights (10 minutes lifting and 20 sitting about in reality) but seeing how my contemporaries in their 50s are beginning to stoop; can't squat to pick things up; have to sit down to put their shoes and socks on etc., I'm starting to prioritise weights over cardio.

I think the weight vs. cardio is a bit of a false dichotomy (top endurance athletes take weight training seriously) but I find I can't face weights if I'm doing 7-10hours of endurance based activity a week so I've dialled back the running/cycling to accommodate.

As posted above, your ability to respond to a given stimulus (ie training programme) with gains in muscle mass is determined by genetics and someone gifted genetically will likely respond better in their 40s than a less gifted individual in their 20s. I'll never be a gainer (sort of fat prone endomorph who can't keep out of the fridge and away from the corkscrew) but if I can keep a reasonably respectable silhouette and maintain strength I'll be happy.

TLDR - don't worry about visible muscle gains just focus on strength - your older self will thank you
You are not wrong.

Useful strength and mobility/flexibility are very important. Use it or lose it.

oddman

2,363 posts

253 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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MC Bodge said:
You are not wrong.

Useful strength and mobility/flexibility are very important. Use it or lose it.
TBF I should have included mobility in my comments.

I was always a skinny bendy type and have always been able to get my hands flat on the floor in a forward bend so took my mobility for granted until I had an injury and had to see a physio a few years ago. I was really shocked when I found I couldn't get into a squat position without going on my toes and how much hip mobility I had lost through sitting at a desk and cycling.

MC Bodge

21,742 posts

176 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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oddman said:
MC Bodge said:
You are not wrong.

Useful strength and mobility/flexibility are very important. Use it or lose it.
TBF I should have included mobility in my comments.

I was always a skinny bendy type and have always been able to get my hands flat on the floor in a forward bend so took my mobility for granted until I had an injury and had to see a physio a few years ago. I was really shocked when I found I couldn't get into a squat position without going on my toes and how much hip mobility I had lost through sitting at a desk and cycling.
Exactly. Those are the important things rather than worrying about muscle size, the optimum weekly reps, hormone levels or taking pharmaceuticals.

Training for living, not living for training.

E63eeeeee...

3,946 posts

50 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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oddman said:
Just chipping in on the strength into old age thing

Although longevity is probably more related to cardiovascular fitness, sarcopenia is real and if you look at most old folk it's loss of muscle strength that is the most disabling. For all of the family members I've had that have gone into care it has not been the primary diagnosis, whether that be heart disease, cancer, Alzheimers, it's been the inabilty of them to weight bear and move making it impossible to manage their care at home.

I hate weight training and would much rather go out for a four hour ride or two hour run than spend half an hour lifting weights (10 minutes lifting and 20 sitting about in reality) but seeing how my contemporaries in their 50s are beginning to stoop; can't squat to pick things up; have to sit down to put their shoes and socks on etc., I'm starting to prioritise weights over cardio.

I think the weight vs. cardio is a bit of a false dichotomy (top endurance athletes take weight training seriously) but I find I can't face weights if I'm doing 7-10hours of endurance based activity a week so I've dialled back the running/cycling to accommodate.

As posted above, your ability to respond to a given stimulus (ie training programme) with gains in muscle mass is determined by genetics and someone gifted genetically will likely respond better in their 40s than a less gifted individual in their 20s. I'll never be a gainer (sort of fat prone endomorph who can't keep out of the fridge and away from the corkscrew) but if I can keep a reasonably respectable silhouette and maintain strength I'll be happy.

TLDR - don't worry about visible muscle gains just focus on strength - your older self will thank you
While I think most of this is right, I've been sitting down to put my shoes and socks on for as much of the last 45 years as I can remember. Do people really not do that? Am I doing this wrong?

Ed/L152

481 posts

238 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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E63eeeeee... said:
While I think most of this is right, I've been sitting down to put my shoes and socks on for as much of the last 45 years as I can remember. Do people really not do that? Am I doing this wrong?
Do what you like, it's not like putting your socks on is actual exercise. But the ability of how easy it is to do whilst standing is some kind of objective measure I like to keep track of. Similar is the ability to stand up from a chair without using your arms, the ability to squat freely instead of having to bend over awkwardly whilst grunting and groaning, running up stairs two steps at a time, etc etc.

None of this is about becoming a meathead, and forget juicing (it's fking stupid). Realistically the amount of muscle mass gained can be practically unmeasureable, but weight-training is invaluble nonetheless.


Edited by Ed/L152 on Wednesday 5th October 11:00

VR99

1,273 posts

64 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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This is a great thread!

I am 41, was overweight from my teen days due to a rubbish diet, smoking, excess booze and lack of exercise, properly 'found the gym' in my early 30's and was tracking macros and on shakes etc Marriage and a sprog pretty much reversed all that good work in my 30's lol.
I am trying to get back into it but it's been slow so far. Primary challenges are the recovery time needed after weights so am not training to failure and I've had a number of injuries including a torn rotator cuff, calf tear and lower back issues....but I will keep plodding along! I think need to focus initially on diet and doing more core work as my core is weak...no point trying to push up weight aggressively without a decent core to underpin the foundations.
Questions for others on the thread:
- do you perform any core-specific exercises as part of your weekly routines to complement the standard compound moves
- anyone had issues with increased muscle cramps/spasms during their 40's? I had a blood test done and doc mentioned my electrolytes are fine, I also drink a lot of water daily so no idea what's going on. For example after doing a session of back where I perform pull-ups and rows along with light dumbell bicep curls I am experiencing cramps in my biceps.....how is that even possible after simply doing bodyweight exercises+ 2 sets of light dumbells?!( E.g: 10kg dumbells).

oddman

2,363 posts

253 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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E63eeeeee... said:
While I think most of this is right, I've been sitting down to put my shoes and socks on for as much of the last 45 years as I can remember. Do people really not do that? Am I doing this wrong?
TBF I sit to put them on in the morning but would do standing when changing during the day.

Putting socks and shoes on without sitting down is a practical test of balance, flexibility and coorditation. These are three aspects of fitness which can be neglected. It's unlikely to be a demonstration event in the Olympics any time soon but I was listing the 'little things' that represent a threshold of decline most of us will cross at some point in life. Sooner if we don't address them.



E63eeeeee...

3,946 posts

50 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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oddman said:
E63eeeeee... said:
While I think most of this is right, I've been sitting down to put my shoes and socks on for as much of the last 45 years as I can remember. Do people really not do that? Am I doing this wrong?
TBF I sit to put them on in the morning but would do standing when changing during the day.

Putting socks and shoes on without sitting down is a practical test of balance, flexibility and coorditation. These are three aspects of fitness which can be neglected. It's unlikely to be a demonstration event in the Olympics any time soon but I was listing the 'little things' that represent a threshold of decline most of us will cross at some point in life. Sooner if we don't address them.
Thanks, that's just something I'd never thought about. I like stuff you can just include in your day, I stand on one leg to clean my teeth for example and I've got a length of warped 3x2 in my study that I walk up and down during boring meetings for balance.

popeyewhite

20,050 posts

121 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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Scabutz said:
It's not all beer and skittles for endurance athletes as they age either. I forget what's it's called but there is some heart condition caused by the huge variance between resting and maximum heart rate.
Left ventricular hypertrophy. Also a dilated inferior vena cava can result from strenuous athletic exercise. smile




MC Bodge

21,742 posts

176 months

Wednesday 5th October 2022
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E63eeeeee... said:
Thanks, that's just something I'd never thought about. I like stuff you can just include in your day, I stand on one leg to clean my teeth for example and I've got a length of warped 3x2 in my study that I walk up and down during boring meetings for balance.
I have a piece of wood for that too. My wife keeps hiding it, though