Discussion
littlegreenfairy said:
Corns and toenails (and other associated mingingness)
How do you do your job???
Dentists have it worse than us IMO, although they get paid far, far better.
My job is actually quite rewarding. People often limp in, and jog out!! We also play a big part in keeping peoples feet from being amputated and thus being in hospital, saves money......I akso really enjoy the minor surgery side, removing toenails is good fun!!
One of the best measures of any job is how quick the day goes, mine flies by, no clock watching.
Edited by dave_s13 on Saturday 14th March 23:13
968 said:
I saw 150 patients last week, and the 14 operations I did at a capital cost of probably a grand each suggests that it is very much in use. The majority of patients tend to be the older generation, who have worked their whole lives and paid taxes in order to get treated.
And they paid in enough to cover their care? I suggest that the huge national debt suggests there are some serious funding problems with the current system.Fittster said:
968 said:
I saw 150 patients last week, and the 14 operations I did at a capital cost of probably a grand each suggests that it is very much in use. The majority of patients tend to be the older generation, who have worked their whole lives and paid taxes in order to get treated.
And they paid in enough to cover their care? I suggest that the huge national debt suggests there are some serious funding problems with the current system.
h and moan on an internet forum about it, and the system, but they will not get better treatment and expertise anywhere else in the world. I think most of them are grateful and happy that they have a service that will help them. edited to add.... just to make clear, I'm not suggesting that you are b
hing or moaning, in anyway, it's a general comment directed not in your direction.Edited by 968 on Sunday 15th March 00:57
Having worked in the NHS as a Project Manager all I can say is they waste money big time.
The problem with the NHS is the politics.
There are soo many oldies that work in NHS that do F all but just make jobs for themselves
If the NHS had the power to sack all the wasters that do nothing but argue amongst themselves then there would be alot more money to spend on the essential services in the accutes where it is really needed.
The problem with the NHS is the politics.
There are soo many oldies that work in NHS that do F all but just make jobs for themselves
If the NHS had the power to sack all the wasters that do nothing but argue amongst themselves then there would be alot more money to spend on the essential services in the accutes where it is really needed.
I have extensively used it with the birth of my two children. With each baby I had at least 4 weeks stay in hospital and baby had 3 and the other had 4 weeks in NICU/SCBU. (I remember them telling me the daily cost of NICU - it is huge).
With no 1 I had weekly scans from 28 weeks, with no 2 I had bi-weekly scans and weekly consultant appointments from 24 weeks. Yes I had two consultants for baby no2.
Both children had 4 stays in hospital havinbg been discharged from SCBU. Each has had a bluelight ride too.
With no 1 I had weekly scans from 28 weeks, with no 2 I had bi-weekly scans and weekly consultant appointments from 24 weeks. Yes I had two consultants for baby no2.
Both children had 4 stays in hospital havinbg been discharged from SCBU. Each has had a bluelight ride too.
FrankDrebbin said:
I'm sure It's easy to mock the NHS until you need them. Without the NHS or an alternative, my Dad would have bled to death, My gran would have died from a collapsed lung, and I'd still have the dodgy eye I was born with. in my eyes, the NHS are great.
I'd get that eye checked up again if I were you. 
The issue is not whether we should have a health service but how to run a health service that is free at the point of delivery without the massive inefficiencies and outright lunacies of the NHS.
I am a supplier to the NHS, we charge the NHS (and Government generally) more than we would any other organisation simply because of the bureaucracy we have to put up with. Meanwhile my father was on a waiting list to be seen by a consultant, as he approached their eight week target he was moved to another waiting list. Why? Because that way he had wasn't on a waiting list for more than eight weeks. They had met their target so all was well in their world.
I am a supplier to the NHS, we charge the NHS (and Government generally) more than we would any other organisation simply because of the bureaucracy we have to put up with. Meanwhile my father was on a waiting list to be seen by a consultant, as he approached their eight week target he was moved to another waiting list. Why? Because that way he had wasn't on a waiting list for more than eight weeks. They had met their target so all was well in their world.
I think that the NHS isn't too bad - it's expensive though and I believe that there is a lot of waste, and that it's running top heavy.
Myself and the wife have had to use the NHS a few times over the last few years, and it seems that the experience is often tainted by the personalities of the people facing the public (their customers). At times I'd rather go untreated than have to deal with NHS customer facing staff.
By contrast I went to a local Specsavers yesterday for an eye test. Quick, professional - very impressed. My appointment was for 12:00 and I was seen to and out by 12:15. The appointment was paid for by my employer as I am a VDU user. I can't help but think that this is what an NHS experience should be like. Specsavers cater to a cross section of society with a medical need. The appointment time is the time that you're seen to. Staff are polite. Hours are flexible enough to cater for people who work for a living. Considering how much I pay towards the NHS, it's not a big ask, really.
Myself and the wife have had to use the NHS a few times over the last few years, and it seems that the experience is often tainted by the personalities of the people facing the public (their customers). At times I'd rather go untreated than have to deal with NHS customer facing staff.
By contrast I went to a local Specsavers yesterday for an eye test. Quick, professional - very impressed. My appointment was for 12:00 and I was seen to and out by 12:15. The appointment was paid for by my employer as I am a VDU user. I can't help but think that this is what an NHS experience should be like. Specsavers cater to a cross section of society with a medical need. The appointment time is the time that you're seen to. Staff are polite. Hours are flexible enough to cater for people who work for a living. Considering how much I pay towards the NHS, it's not a big ask, really.
I've only used the NHS for routine GP visits and to treat a broken arm.
The rest I've had done privately.
If I'd had no option other than to have used the NHS I would still be on the waiting list for a first assessment and roughly ten years away from a surgical conclusion.
Having said that, the surgery that I required is so technically lacking that faced with that choice I would not have had it done anyway.
The attitudes of the surgeons stink, the aftercare is terrible and the rate of complications is simply unacceptable.
If it wasn't for private alternatives I probably wouldn't be here now.
The rest I've had done privately.
If I'd had no option other than to have used the NHS I would still be on the waiting list for a first assessment and roughly ten years away from a surgical conclusion.
Having said that, the surgery that I required is so technically lacking that faced with that choice I would not have had it done anyway.
The attitudes of the surgeons stink, the aftercare is terrible and the rate of complications is simply unacceptable.
If it wasn't for private alternatives I probably wouldn't be here now.
Chris Type R said:
By contrast I went to a local Specsavers yesterday for an eye test. Quick, professional - very impressed. My appointment was for 12:00 and I was seen to and out by 12:15. The appointment was paid for by my employer as I am a VDU user. I can't help but think that this is what an NHS experience should be like. Specsavers cater to a cross section of society with a medical need. The appointment time is the time that you're seen to. Staff are polite. Hours are flexible enough to cater for people who work for a living. Considering how much I pay towards the NHS, it's not a big ask, really.
A good sight test should take at least 20 minutes. Anything less and I'm not convinced the Optom is doing as thorough job as they should. Specsavers are a cattle market and a good retail model, but a poor one medically, in my opinion.siscar said:
The issue is not whether we should have a health service but how to run a health service that is free at the point of delivery without the massive inefficiencies and outright lunacies of the NHS.
I am a supplier to the NHS, we charge the NHS (and Government generally) more than we would any other organisation simply because of the bureaucracy we have to put up with. Meanwhile my father was on a waiting list to be seen by a consultant, as he approached their eight week target he was moved to another waiting list. Why? Because that way he had wasn't on a waiting list for more than eight weeks. They had met their target so all was well in their world.
I'd agree wholeheartedly with your post.I am a supplier to the NHS, we charge the NHS (and Government generally) more than we would any other organisation simply because of the bureaucracy we have to put up with. Meanwhile my father was on a waiting list to be seen by a consultant, as he approached their eight week target he was moved to another waiting list. Why? Because that way he had wasn't on a waiting list for more than eight weeks. They had met their target so all was well in their world.
The clinical side of the NHS is no different to private work - you still get highly trained clinicians doing what they do best. BUT and here's the but - the level of care is largely dictated by bureaucracy and form filling.
I'm a firm believer of health care free at the point of use but it receives such bad press due to the huge cost of it. If it was more efficient and better run, then it would be so much better.
littlegreenfairy said:
The clinical side of the NHS is no different to private work - you still get highly trained clinicians doing what they do best. BUT and here's the but - the level of care is largely dictated by bureaucracy and form filling.
I'm going in to hospital in a couple of weeks for an extremely quick op (removing cyst from eyelid).I have to fill in one form for my visit. Half the form is about myself, address, NHS number, next of kin etc...
The other half is used for me to explain my ethnicity
I haven't decided yet what to select - I suspect 'other black background' (I'm white British btw)
my a&e department sees 100,000 people a year with a catchment area of 400,000 so 25% of our entire local population every year
private health care is fine when you're young but in your 60's goes to £500 per month and over £1000 per month in your 70's if you're in good health, it's cheap when you're young because your risk is so low, remember these insurance companies make a profit from what you pay in an what you claim
as well as a pension crisis we're also facing an nhs crisis, with a larger and larger percentage of the population retired but living longer with a smaller and smaller percentage of the population supporting them. This older population will have "paid my taxes all my life" and will be demanding more and more treatments
the great thing about the nhs is when it was set up they genuinely thought it would be expensive in the first 5 years and get cheaper and cheaper after that as people got healthier and healthier
private health care is fine when you're young but in your 60's goes to £500 per month and over £1000 per month in your 70's if you're in good health, it's cheap when you're young because your risk is so low, remember these insurance companies make a profit from what you pay in an what you claim
as well as a pension crisis we're also facing an nhs crisis, with a larger and larger percentage of the population retired but living longer with a smaller and smaller percentage of the population supporting them. This older population will have "paid my taxes all my life" and will be demanding more and more treatments
the great thing about the nhs is when it was set up they genuinely thought it would be expensive in the first 5 years and get cheaper and cheaper after that as people got healthier and healthier
10 Pence Short said:
A good sight test should take at least 20 minutes. Anything less and I'm not convinced the Optom is doing as thorough job as they should. Specsavers are a cattle market and a good retail model, but a poor one medically, in my opinion.
I didn't need glasses, which might account for the test not taking too long. My point is that the experience was remarkably better than any encounter which I've had with the NHS.
J500ANT said:
LMC said:
ipitythefool said:
Who actually used it? And why does it cost £100bn a year?
About 2 million kids a year use it because their dumbass parents have never heard of Calpol ! That's my experience where I work anyway.Paracetamol and Ibuprofen suspensions recommendations (ie including regular Calpol) remain the same.
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