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gbbird said:
ipitythefool said:
Who actually used it?
About 100 million of us 
There are others who will make a doctor's appointment the first time they sneeze.
Or those who have paid into the NHS for years & can't get a doc to visit them at home.
Muze ST said:
When young i had an operation, its the only time i have ever been to hospital. I have went the the doctor a few times but that is for a signature for a medical.
Now my company gives me private healthcare, i don't think i will use the NHS.
good for you- hope you don't need it- I don't intend to 'pick' on you with this response but your complacency is admirable and your post made me think more than any one elses.Now my company gives me private healthcare, i don't think i will use the NHS.
The truth is that private healthcare is great for the routine, non-complicated stuff that needs lots of investigations and then a quick sort out - operation or decision re ongoing management.
It has a very important place in getting people seen quickly and effectively, and keeps some of the pressure off the NHS queues.
However, when people get complicated problems, that need specialised and complicated treatments often the Private Healthcare plan doesn't cover it fully.
My OH works in the NHS and has met patients recommended or re-referred to transfer to NHS care for the most complicated treatments eg Intensive chemotherapy requiring 24hour specialist medical on call, highly specialised nursing interventions and treatments such as Bone Marrow Transplantation. This is because often, outside London/Metropolitan areas, the private hospitals do not have the specialist facillites, staff or experience to cope with such treatments.
She has also met several patients whose private cover didn't 'cover' their ongoing long term treatments and management of their cancer, and they had to transfer to NHS. (read your small print everyone) Many of these patients were pleased and couldn't fault their care under the NHS- even though it may not have included the plush environment nor the 5 star meals they had become used to!!
In an emergency the NHS comes into its own- yes your local A&E may not be a nice place, it may be full of drunks, and yes, the staff may be somewhat belligerent - however you stand more of a chance of being kept alive there, than if you turn up to your local private hospital where there will be no emergency dept, resuss or experience of trauma management!
You would have no choice then but to use the NHS- and I know where I'd rather be treated!!
Yep all you NHS bashers - I sincerely hope this never happens, but next time a member of family falls through a plate glass window, or you crash your car on the motorway- go to the nearest Private Healthcare Establishment and see if they can help.
Most of the clinicians, medics and nurses, work hard, long hours, and against the odds (and underfunding) try to provide safe, effective and outstanding care to their patients.
That is not to say that there are not things wrong with the NHS- an increasing surplus of managers (there is a list of job titles as long as your arm) to try and achieve the ever increasing and ill thought out xanu-labour targets and accreditation schemes. Hospitals tendering out core services at high cost with little eventual control over the quality of the services or price.
With the best will in the world unless you are uber-rich you can't rule out the NHS for the unexpected and unplanned care that you may require in your lifetime.
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Symbolica said:
I've used the local walk-in clinic twice in the last 2 years (once for myself, once with a friend) as well as NHS direct and can't fault either service. Both were efficient and very helpful. It's been a long time since I went to a hospital though, so can't comment on them.
absolutely.I have used the walk in centres 4 or 5 times over the last few years and found them to be very good. In fact, being as this govt are so total shiito I rank them as their best (only?) achievement

Stay away. Stay very away.
In the last 3 months, they've been unable to supply sterilising wipes (many times), a yellow sharps bin (several times)and the latest news is they managed to employ a paedo on the children's ward.
I'd say the nurses and doctors are ace, but the management are totally s
te and the maintenance need sacking. And as for Tony Bliar and his '24 hours to save the NHS bulls
t' - I didn't know euthanasia counted. They've killed our local children's unit. b
ds.
In the last 3 months, they've been unable to supply sterilising wipes (many times), a yellow sharps bin (several times)and the latest news is they managed to employ a paedo on the children's ward.
I'd say the nurses and doctors are ace, but the management are totally s



As someone with cancer x2 , diabetis , heart issues , high blood pressure , circulation issues etc I’ve spent a great deal of time in hospitals over the last 5 yrs ( 3 appointments last week ) .
God knows how much I’ve cost the nhs in £££ & time over those years , but I’m so grateful for how they’ve looked after me , they’ve all been stars .
I remember collapsing outside a&e one night , it was actually closed , but the got me in , stabilised me then got me blue lighted to another hospital to get the right treatment , as I say stars .
I’m sure I’ve moaned over the years about this / that , but that was me feeling sorry for myself , but even the times they still continued to look after me , I’ll always be eternally grateful to them .
God knows how much I’ve cost the nhs in £££ & time over those years , but I’m so grateful for how they’ve looked after me , they’ve all been stars .
I remember collapsing outside a&e one night , it was actually closed , but the got me in , stabilised me then got me blue lighted to another hospital to get the right treatment , as I say stars .
I’m sure I’ve moaned over the years about this / that , but that was me feeling sorry for myself , but even the times they still continued to look after me , I’ll always be eternally grateful to them .
We've more than received our money's worth. I was quite healthy until I reached 63, rarely having to see a GP and never been in hospital. Within the space of a few months I had heart surgery and radiotherapy for prostate cancer and I've been on eight pills a day ever since.
My O/h has multiple health conditions and has several appointments with consultants or GPs a month. A bottle of one particular medication costs £320, she has three a month. Add on the cost of all the other stuff she swallows or injects and between us we must cost the NHS several thousand a month.
Fortunately they, the NHS, still reckon we're worth the expenditure.
My O/h has multiple health conditions and has several appointments with consultants or GPs a month. A bottle of one particular medication costs £320, she has three a month. Add on the cost of all the other stuff she swallows or injects and between us we must cost the NHS several thousand a month.
Fortunately they, the NHS, still reckon we're worth the expenditure.
I was probably in profit until my mid 50s.
I had a number of diagnosed health issues, none of which at the time seemed serious enough to require treatment. Mainly early signs of arthritis (probably due to hyper mobility) and an autoimmune disorder and to be fair, I didn't really push for further care, just accepted the diagnosis and carried on.
However as I got into my mid 50s, I started to suffer with the effects and needed joints replacing.
In hindsight, I wish I had pushed more to see specialists and get treatment and care plans to better manage my health. Now I'm retired and my activities are a bit compromised by my health.
I had a number of diagnosed health issues, none of which at the time seemed serious enough to require treatment. Mainly early signs of arthritis (probably due to hyper mobility) and an autoimmune disorder and to be fair, I didn't really push for further care, just accepted the diagnosis and carried on.
However as I got into my mid 50s, I started to suffer with the effects and needed joints replacing.
In hindsight, I wish I had pushed more to see specialists and get treatment and care plans to better manage my health. Now I'm retired and my activities are a bit compromised by my health.
It's swings and roundabouts. On an individual basis I'm think I'm "in credit", as I have only been to A&E twice (once for stitches for a head injury, once for broken ribs) and have never been in hospital overnight. Can't remember the last time i went to see a GP.
But I like to think that my lack of use of NHS services means they have the capacity to treat people like my nephew, who as a teenager has made extensive use of their services including 4 months in hospital after a tractor accident, and another long period sampling hospital food after he fell off of a roof. With the ongoing physio for the numerous metal plates holding his pelvis, femur and tibia together, i reckon he has had more than his money's worth.
But I like to think that my lack of use of NHS services means they have the capacity to treat people like my nephew, who as a teenager has made extensive use of their services including 4 months in hospital after a tractor accident, and another long period sampling hospital food after he fell off of a roof. With the ongoing physio for the numerous metal plates holding his pelvis, femur and tibia together, i reckon he has had more than his money's worth.
My son had a nasty (self induced) accident in Spain last August, resulting in 3 breaks to the jaw, lost front teeth and a scaphoid fracture (wrist). I flew to Spain, extracted him from hospital there and got him on the next flight home to the local A&E. The NHS were amazing. His jaw was operated on the next day and they made a very stressful time much less stressful for all concerned.
Still on the waiting list for the scaphoid fracture though......and with the wait currently potentially 12 months, we have decided to get that done privately so he can get on with his life.
The NHS are amazing in an emergency situation, but not so good for the non emergency stuff. I really don't know the answers, but at least they get part of it right.
Still on the waiting list for the scaphoid fracture though......and with the wait currently potentially 12 months, we have decided to get that done privately so he can get on with his life.
The NHS are amazing in an emergency situation, but not so good for the non emergency stuff. I really don't know the answers, but at least they get part of it right.
In my experience, the NHS are brilliant when you have an immediate serious problem. Dying of cancer? We'll sort it? Horrifically injured in a car accident? No problem. Need your appendix out in an emergency? Done in a jiffy. Infected wound? Here's a prescription for a cream that very afternoon.
If, on the other hand, you have a complex condition with an uncertain cause, or something chronic that isn't quite killing you, or mental health issues, the NHS varies between barely adequate and harmful. Unfortunate because these problems are the sort that may not end a life but certainly ruin them enough you may wish it had.
If, on the other hand, you have a complex condition with an uncertain cause, or something chronic that isn't quite killing you, or mental health issues, the NHS varies between barely adequate and harmful. Unfortunate because these problems are the sort that may not end a life but certainly ruin them enough you may wish it had.
BritishBlitz87 said:
If, on the other hand, you have a complex condition with an uncertain cause, or something chronic that isn't quite killing you, or mental health issues, the NHS varies between barely adequate and harmful. Unfortunate because these problems are the sort that may not end a life but certainly ruin them enough you may wish it had.
Presumably written from experience however I have found the exact opposite to be true. Following a mini-stroke 10 years ago my previously fit and well O/H has suffered increasingly worse health, mentally and physically. Throughout that time GPs, nurses and physiotherapists at our surgery and other NHS agencies and consultants and staff at three local hospitals have all been superb in their care and treatment of her.Gassing Station | Health Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff