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Cheib

6,494 posts

45 months

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Wednesday 16th May 2012 quote quote all
im said:
Jasey@ said:
PL Win or CL Win.

Even the FA Cup is losing some of it's "Sparkle". The only thing it has going for it is it's old !

Nobody really tries until the semis !
I'd roughly agree with that, although an FA cup win wouldn't be too far short of a top 4 finish.
Sadly it is....imagine you win the FA Cup but fail to qualify for the CL. The next season would feel very,very ordinary without the Champions League

Having said that I think the big problem for Arsenal which was especially the case last season is that we don't have the strength in depth to compete on all fronts.....the best thing that happened to us this year was losing to AC Milan. I reckon we'd be fourth or fifth even if we'd got knocked out in the next round.

Lost soul

5,246 posts

52 months

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Wednesday 16th May 2012 quote quote all
Cheib said:
Sadly it is....imagine you win the FA Cup but fail to qualify for the CL. The next season would feel very,very ordinary without the Champions League

Having said that I think the big problem for Arsenal which was especially the case last season is that we don't have the strength in depth to compete on all fronts.....the best thing that happened to us this year was losing to AC Milan. I reckon we'd be fourth or fifth even if we'd got knocked out in the next round.
I am not so sure about that , the way we came back against AC Milan was clasic Arsenal , we never sseem to do things the easy way , but if we had beaten them and moved on to the next round i think we would have thrived on it

NoVetec

6,026 posts

43 months

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Lost soul said:
I am not so sure about that , the way we came back against AC Milan was clasic Arsenal , we never sseem to do things the easy way , but if we had beaten them and moved on to the next round i think we would have thrived on it
We certainly thrived in the PL for a bit after that, so it would've been interesting to see how we could've done in the CL.

What about these mumours of Mertesacker wanting to leave? Recent write ups on Arseblog seem to suggest he's happy here.

Cheib

6,494 posts

45 months

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Thursday 17th May 2012 quote quote all
Lost soul said:
Cheib said:
Sadly it is....imagine you win the FA Cup but fail to qualify for the CL. The next season would feel very,very ordinary without the Champions League

Having said that I think the big problem for Arsenal which was especially the case last season is that we don't have the strength in depth to compete on all fronts.....the best thing that happened to us this year was losing to AC Milan. I reckon we'd be fourth or fifth even if we'd got knocked out in the next round.
I am not so sure about that , the way we came back against AC Milan was clasic Arsenal , we never sseem to do things the easy way , but if we had beaten them and moved on to the next round i think we would have thrived on it
It gave us momentum but the fact is we don't have the squad to compete on two fronts....we often have poor results aftre CL fixtures and we limped across the line at the end of the season. These things are down to small margins....I just think a couple more high pressure games thrown in during the Premier League run in would have seen us drop points.

Smart Mart

4,156 posts

85 months

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Thursday 17th May 2012 quote quote all
Sky Sports News reporting that Jack Wilshere needs surgery on his left knee.

A minor op and shouldn't significantly affect the length of his rehabilitation.
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flasher

9,160 posts

154 months

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Thursday 17th May 2012 quote quote all
I just dont understand the Wilshere thing. He's been out for a year with what seems like a minor injury. Its not as if he's done a cruciate so what the hell is going on?

bikerPaul

901 posts

80 months

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Thursday 17th May 2012 quote quote all
flasher said:
I just dont understand the Wilshere thing. He's been out for a year with what seems like a minor injury. Its not as if he's done a cruciate so what the hell is going on?
How often has this happened though?
Rosicky
Diaby
Vermaelen

No coincidence?

mylesmcd

1,200 posts

89 months

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If his ankle has been bad for a year, the knock on could well move up the leg.


But, yes, I agree that its too much of a coincidence with the other players too.

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HarryW

11,389 posts

139 months

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Thursday 17th May 2012 quote quote all
Not a sniff of RVPs planned meeting with AW, did it happen confused

Lost soul

5,246 posts

52 months

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Thursday 17th May 2012 quote quote all
Cheib said:
It gave us momentum but the fact is we don't have the squad to compete on two fronts....we often have poor results aftre CL fixtures and we limped across the line at the end of the season. These things are down to small margins....I just think a couple more high pressure games thrown in during the Premier League run in would have seen us drop points.
Probably right frown

IrateNinja

230 posts

48 months

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Thursday 17th May 2012 quote quote all
HarryW said:
Not a sniff of RVPs planned meeting with AW, did it happen confused
Seen a couple of stories in the sun and fail claiming that talks broke down over RVP wanting more reassurance that we'd be competing for silverware next season.

Do they bother putting any imagination into their stories at all?

HarryW

11,389 posts

139 months

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Thursday 17th May 2012 quote quote all
IrateNinja said:
HarryW said:
Not a sniff of RVPs planned meeting with AW, did it happen confused
Seen a couple of stories in the sun and fail claiming that talks broke down over RVP wanting more reassurance that we'd be competing for silverware next season.

Do they bother putting any imagination into their stories at all?
None of that is news, it's just filling column inches by guessing a likely outcome.

It's no more news than me putting here;
RVP has agreed to stay on at Arsenal for another 3 years more than doubling his salary, busting Arsenals wage structure. It is further bolstered with additional multi million pound signing on and loyalty bonuses. Mrs RVP is reported to pleased with the outcome as it brings stability to their family life. RVP can now report to Hollands world cup training camp with a clear mind and a target to collect this tournaments golden boot award.

Pure conjecture on my part but no less valid or accurate than the tripe in todays papers.....

Chad_Hugo

190 posts

48 months

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Friday 18th May 2012 quote quote all
Looks like this won't be decided until after the Euro's.

The longer it takes the less chance we have of keeping Robin. Wenger and the board who have once again shown shocking ineptitude on contracts/transfers.

We have so few world class players (well 1 now!), why was a high profile player we signed for just £3.5 million, in a key position, who at the time was in his mid 20's only on a four year deal?

Even without this outstanding season, he would still be worth four times what we paid for him, why didn't we make sure he signed a six year contract?

It's one of the only ways a club that can't afford to just throw money at players can protect itself to a degree. By the way, we will face exactly the same situation with Song next year too.

Does anyone else think it's embarrassing for a club of our stature to be in this situation time and time again, where we have to virtually plead with our better players to stay with us?

Lost soul

5,246 posts

52 months

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Friday 18th May 2012 quote quote all
Chad_Hugo said:
Wenger and the board who have once again shown shocking ineptitude on contracts/transfers.
Why is in Arsenes fault ? RVP is just checking out what he could earn in another team an the thought of City paying him 250 k a week can hardly be ignored , hardly AW or the boards fault

Alfahorn

4,509 posts

78 months

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Friday 18th May 2012 quote quote all
Lost soul said:
Chad_Hugo said:
Wenger and the board who have once again shown shocking ineptitude on contracts/transfers.
Why is in Arsenes fault ? RVP is just checking out what he could earn in another team an the thought of City paying him 250 k a week can hardly be ignored , hardly AW or the boards fault
If we had been competing and winning trophies over the last 7 years it wouldn't be an issue, the player would re-sign for Arsenal and that would be the end of it. RVP is 29 and hasn't won anything, I can't say I blame him to be honest.

So yes, it IS the fault of Arsene and the board!!!!

Jasey@

886 posts

48 months

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Friday 18th May 2012 quote quote all
Alfahorn said:
Lost soul said:
Chad_Hugo said:
Wenger and the board who have once again shown shocking ineptitude on contracts/transfers.
Why is in Arsenes fault ? RVP is just checking out what he could earn in another team an the thought of City paying him 250 k a week can hardly be ignored , hardly AW or the boards fault
If we had been competing and winning trophies over the last 7 years it wouldn't be an issue, the player would re-sign for Arsenal and that would be the end of it. RVP is 29 and hasn't won anything, I can't say I blame him to be honest.

So yes, it IS the fault of Arsene and the board!!!!
Blame the board by all means.

I Reckon Arsene's Job description has only ever said "Champions League every year".

Arsenal's current predicament is being prolonged because Arsene is good at his job. If he wasn't for him we'd be mid table (at best).

Could you imagine if Harry was in charge of Arsenal - We'd have been relegated laugh

Cheib

6,494 posts

45 months

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Friday 18th May 2012 quote quote all
Anyone thinking it would be decided before the Euro's was dillusional in my opinion....Arsenal were never going to be able to blow the likes of Man City, Real Madrid et al out of the water financially and make the necessary signings before the Euro's to convince him to stay.

Always going to be about selling the Arsenal story to him...which really revolves around who they buy to strengthen. They can tell them him they have intention to sign players but from his point of view that could be all fart and no poo....we've seen signings collapse at the last minute in the past (Xabi Alonso springs to mind) so until he sees signings being made he's not going to sign IMHO.

The good news is that the club may actually go out and buy the two or three players everyone thinks they need. The board and Wenger must know that the say £30mil they would get for RVP would not be enough to replace him. I just don't believe the "we won't sell him come what may" line....it's exactly what they said last summer about Nasri until Kronke intervened and told them to sell him.....Kronke will feel massively vindicated in that decision "we got third without Nasri so I was right".

Cheib

6,494 posts

45 months

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Friday 18th May 2012 quote quote all
If this is true it's not good in my opinion

"Arsenal slap media ban on RVP"

http://www.london24.com/sport/arsenal/arsenal_slap...

im

28,383 posts

87 months

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Friday 18th May 2012 quote quote all
Cheib said:
If this is true it's not good in my opinion
Thats strange...scratchchin...cos from where I'm sitting thats great news.

Chad_Hugo

190 posts

48 months

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Friday 18th May 2012 quote quote all
Lost soul said:
Chad_Hugo said:
Wenger and the board who have once again shown shocking ineptitude on contracts/transfers.
Why is in Arsenes fault ? RVP is just checking out what he could earn in another team an the thought of City paying him 250 k a week can hardly be ignored , hardly AW or the boards fault
How on earth can this not be Arsene and the boards fault?

Firstly, he is doing a lot more than checking. He is in the process of leaving.

Secondly, and most importantly, when you are a club who's strategy is investing in young players, you accept that this is high risk as you are gambling on potential developing, and not buying the finished product.

If that's your strategy, if and when this potential is realised, you MUST protect your investment because you know you don't have the funds to buy a ready made top class player and developing one takes years has all sorts of indirect costs and consequences.

How do you protect your investment?

Buy making sure the players who do reach world class or near enough world class status are tied down with 6+ year contracts. If Van Persie's last deal was 6 years rather than 4 we would not now be debating this. When Robin signed his last deal we held nearly all the cards, he would gladly have signed a longer deal, it's Wenger, the chief executive's and the boards job to manage this process.

We would have at least another 1, probably 2 years to improve the squad, WITH our captain and outstanding player a part of it.

The above scenario is why Levy was able to keep Modrich last summer. Something we failed to do with not 1, but 3 players last year. It's happening again, and is on the cards for 2013 as well, this time with Alex Song. You probably don't need me to tell you that something very similar happened with Flamini, who could have been a great holding player for us.

As I said, shocking lack of foresight from all concerned.

This stuff's hardly rocket science is it? It's more or less common sense.
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