The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 12)
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and31 said:
LF5335 said:
Too much negativity. What a great day out I watched it with friends and we all had lovely stories to tell.
Am I doing this right?
There you go getting personal again-it’s fAm I doing this right?
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LF5335 said:
and31 said:
LF5335 said:
Too much negativity. What a great day out I watched it with friends and we all had lovely stories to tell.
Am I doing this right?
There you go getting personal again-it’s fAm I doing this right?
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Why did you get banned before? When you used to be unident?
Forester1965 said:
J6542 said:
ETH has to go. This stupid hundred mile an hour style with players all out of position leaves us so open to attack. It’s what has cost us so many late goals. He should be telling the players to get in position and control the ball, instead of defenders running all over the park.
Agreed. It's all very well saying he's had injuries and a depleted squad. Second string players can still be highly disciplined and well drilled. A system can still be effective. What do they do all week in between games if not train?
It is obviously not working but he shows no sign of change.
I put the blame for these performances on ETH and his staff and not the players.
Didn't look so great for Scott there did it? I didn't quite see what happened, but it seems like he was pretty upset. Reoccurrence of the knee issue? Hope it's not done him for the season, and especially not with the Euros so close.
We've 9 days now before the next game, had 3 games in 6 days. Schedule computer needs a kick in the chips.
We've 9 days now before the next game, had 3 games in 6 days. Schedule computer needs a kick in the chips.
J6542 said:
This is his system, it makes for an entertaining game for the neutral fan. But it makes us so open. Even more so at the end of games as players tire.
It is obviously not working but he shows no sign of change.
I put the blame for these performances on ETH and his staff and not the players.
This mostly , he has a tactic which he explained in that clip I posted , he says it’s calculated risk but it’s not working for multiple reasons so the puzzle is why he keeps persisting with it.It is obviously not working but he shows no sign of change.
I put the blame for these performances on ETH and his staff and not the players.
Edited by franki68 on Saturday 27th April 19:54
franki68 said:
J6542 said:
This is his system, it makes for an entertaining game for the neutral fan. But it makes us so open. Even more so at the end of games as players tire.
It is obviously not working but he shows no sign of change.
I put the blame for these performances on ETH and his staff and not the players.
This mostly , he has a tactic which he explained in that clip I posted , he says it’s calculated risk but it’s not working for multiple reasons so the puzzle is why he keeps persisting with it.It is obviously not working but he shows no sign of change.
I put the blame for these performances on ETH and his staff and not the players.
Edited by franki68 on Saturday 27th April 19:54
The issue is now we are down to the bare bones the personal cannot play in the same manner. So do you a) persist with it because that's your principals, b) forget your principals and revert back to a counter attack style.
It might be the undoing of him but if that's how he wants to play that's fine. It also gives the owners an insight of if they want to play the same way next season, but support ETH with additional personal to allow them to play alot better.
Challo said:
I suspect with a fully fit squad we could play that way. As such he is persisting with that style as he wants all the players to know what they should and shouldn't do.
The issue is now we are down to the bare bones the personal cannot play in the same manner. So do you a) persist with it because that's your principals, b) forget your principals and revert back to a counter attack style.
It might be the undoing of him but if that's how he wants to play that's fine. It also gives the owners an insight of if they want to play the same way next season, but support ETH with additional personal to allow them to play alot better.
He is supposed to coach the whole squad. That means coaching them all on what their role is and how to play. Injuries shouldn’t matter. Each player should know exactly what to do when they come in. The issue is now we are down to the bare bones the personal cannot play in the same manner. So do you a) persist with it because that's your principals, b) forget your principals and revert back to a counter attack style.
It might be the undoing of him but if that's how he wants to play that's fine. It also gives the owners an insight of if they want to play the same way next season, but support ETH with additional personal to allow them to play alot better.
Challo said:
franki68 said:
J6542 said:
This is his system, it makes for an entertaining game for the neutral fan. But it makes us so open. Even more so at the end of games as players tire.
It is obviously not working but he shows no sign of change.
I put the blame for these performances on ETH and his staff and not the players.
This mostly , he has a tactic which he explained in that clip I posted , he says it’s calculated risk but it’s not working for multiple reasons so the puzzle is why he keeps persisting with it.It is obviously not working but he shows no sign of change.
I put the blame for these performances on ETH and his staff and not the players.
Edited by franki68 on Saturday 27th April 19:54
The issue is now we are down to the bare bones the personal cannot play in the same manner. So do you a) persist with it because that's your principals, b) forget your principals and revert back to a counter attack style.
It might be the undoing of him but if that's how he wants to play that's fine. It also gives the owners an insight of if they want to play the same way next season, but support ETH with additional personal to allow them to play alot better.
A system where you give so much of the ball to the opposition along with multiple chances will not work in the English premier league. It may have worked with the cloggies but it won’t work over here. If he doesn’t change it, someone is going to give us a battering before the end of season. This system makes us to easy to play against.
LF5335 said:
Challo said:
I suspect with a fully fit squad we could play that way. As such he is persisting with that style as he wants all the players to know what they should and shouldn't do.
The issue is now we are down to the bare bones the personal cannot play in the same manner. So do you a) persist with it because that's your principals, b) forget your principals and revert back to a counter attack style.
It might be the undoing of him but if that's how he wants to play that's fine. It also gives the owners an insight of if they want to play the same way next season, but support ETH with additional personal to allow them to play alot better.
He is supposed to coach the whole squad. That means coaching them all on what their role is and how to play. Injuries shouldn’t matter. Each player should know exactly what to do when they come in. The issue is now we are down to the bare bones the personal cannot play in the same manner. So do you a) persist with it because that's your principals, b) forget your principals and revert back to a counter attack style.
It might be the undoing of him but if that's how he wants to play that's fine. It also gives the owners an insight of if they want to play the same way next season, but support ETH with additional personal to allow them to play alot better.
Given that as posters stated we have players from LVG, Jose, OGS and now ETH you will at times struggle to play a certain way.
The leadership will now need to decide that do we continue with ETH and believe that with a few changes in the personal over the summer will mean we become a successful team competing for top 4 and eventually the title. Or that actually this is not the way forward, and a change is needed with a different approach.
Challo said:
Agree. The whole team should know, and you can see during games they do and it clicks. The issue seems that some of them struggle to play that system, feel uncomfortable doing it or don’t want to.
Given that as posters stated we have players from LVG, Jose, OGS and now ETH you will at times struggle to play a certain way.
The leadership will now need to decide that do we continue with ETH and believe that with a few changes in the personal over the summer will mean we become a successful team competing for top 4 and eventually the title. Or that actually this is not the way forward, and a change is needed with a different approach.
The issue is we can’t clear out the squad. I’ve been pretty vocal about this and been mocked for it by the more positive posters on here. I stand by my opinion about paying up contracts and / or giving players away for free. Given that as posters stated we have players from LVG, Jose, OGS and now ETH you will at times struggle to play a certain way.
The leadership will now need to decide that do we continue with ETH and believe that with a few changes in the personal over the summer will mean we become a successful team competing for top 4 and eventually the title. Or that actually this is not the way forward, and a change is needed with a different approach.
Control the spend. We have no failed to find a better left back than Shaw in 9 years. I struggle to believe that is anything other than incompetence. Rinse and repeat for other positions.
ETH worries me now. I had real hope that he would be the man to deliver stability and then growth in our club. Last season he said and did the right things. He has looked like a rabbit in the headlights this season.
Others have views that differ and are more positive. I’m struggling to see the reasons for this.
LF5335 said:
Challo said:
Agree. The whole team should know, and you can see during games they do and it clicks. The issue seems that some of them struggle to play that system, feel uncomfortable doing it or don’t want to.
Given that as posters stated we have players from LVG, Jose, OGS and now ETH you will at times struggle to play a certain way.
The leadership will now need to decide that do we continue with ETH and believe that with a few changes in the personal over the summer will mean we become a successful team competing for top 4 and eventually the title. Or that actually this is not the way forward, and a change is needed with a different approach.
The issue is we can’t clear out the squad. I’ve been pretty vocal about this and been mocked for it by the more positive posters on here. I stand by my opinion about paying up contracts and / or giving players away for free. Given that as posters stated we have players from LVG, Jose, OGS and now ETH you will at times struggle to play a certain way.
The leadership will now need to decide that do we continue with ETH and believe that with a few changes in the personal over the summer will mean we become a successful team competing for top 4 and eventually the title. Or that actually this is not the way forward, and a change is needed with a different approach.
Control the spend. We have no failed to find a better left back than Shaw in 9 years. I struggle to believe that is anything other than incompetence. Rinse and repeat for other positions.
ETH worries me now. I had real hope that he would be the man to deliver stability and then growth in our club. Last season he said and did the right things. He has looked like a rabbit in the headlights this season.
Others have views that differ and are more positive. I’m struggling to see the reasons for this.
Perhaps we could have gone out and got a left back, but when fit shaw has been excellent. England regular and generally been a stand out performer. He has had injury issues and that's why we got in Malacia to be an understudy. Given the fact we needed signings elsewhere, shaw replacement was down the list im terms of urgency. That probably now changes after this season.
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