The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 12)
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2HFL said:
That header back into the mixer by Casemiro which resulted in the foul and subsequent Burnley goal was seriously schoolboy level.
Yes it was, but if your 'keeper doesn't punch the opposing player it's not even worthy of a mention. He got away with it against Wolves, but not today.It's on Onana, not Casemiro - but he didn't help matters ...
uk66fastback said:
Yes it was, but if your 'keeper doesn't punch the opposing player it's not even worthy of a mention. He got away with it against Wolves, but not today.
It's on Onana, not Casemiro - but he didn't help matters ...
What's more frustrating is that other players get away with it every week. Referees are all over the place this season.It's on Onana, not Casemiro - but he didn't help matters ...
Frimley111R said:
It all seems a bit irrelevant now though. We've no chance of Europe and so there's only the FA Cup to fight for. The Prem is finished for us this season.
That’s true, but if Ten Hag wants to keep his job (which there’s no chance he should be allowed to but it’s not up to me) these next games are vital. We’ve won 2 games out of our last 8 in the league. Those 2 wins came at home against teams 16th and 20th in the league.
If that becomes 2 wins in 12, or even say 3 wins in 12, then even the most ardent Ten Hag fans will surely start to question whether a guy who can only lead us to 3 wins in a third of a league season is the right man.
CLK-GTR said:
uk66fastback said:
Yes it was, but if your 'keeper doesn't punch the opposing player it's not even worthy of a mention. He got away with it against Wolves, but not today.
It's on Onana, not Casemiro - but he didn't help matters ...
What's more frustrating is that other players get away with it every week. Referees are all over the place this season.It's on Onana, not Casemiro - but he didn't help matters ...
"Cast-iron penalty!" "Never a penalty!" (same tackle/handball etc ...) Two refs will see it differently, like two fans will. So it goes to VAR - hello, another interpretation from another human - differently again ... I don't know how people expected anything else!
We're not performing.
The two camps generally seem to be;
A) The structure above is in the process of being changed and no point changing a manager until they job is done and
B) The manager is no good so irrespective of the structure above there's no point continuing with him any longer
There are merits to both options. I prefer the latter.
The two camps generally seem to be;
A) The structure above is in the process of being changed and no point changing a manager until they job is done and
B) The manager is no good so irrespective of the structure above there's no point continuing with him any longer
There are merits to both options. I prefer the latter.
uk66fastback said:
Players are all over the place, like referees. That's because they are individuals who see the same situations differently - you know, like football fans ...
"Cast-iron penalty!" "Never a penalty!" (same tackle/handball etc ...) Two refs will see it differently, like two fans will. So it goes to VAR - hello, another interpretation from another human - differently again ... I don't know how people expected anything else!
The VAR panel was supposed to remove that ambiguity and does so quite well in other leagues. Our insistence on adding the clear and obvious rule to protect referees has cocked it up."Cast-iron penalty!" "Never a penalty!" (same tackle/handball etc ...) Two refs will see it differently, like two fans will. So it goes to VAR - hello, another interpretation from another human - differently again ... I don't know how people expected anything else!
Forester1965 said:
We're not performing.
The two camps generally seem to be;
A) The structure above is in the process of being changed and no point changing a manager until they job is done and
B) The manager is no good so irrespective of the structure above there's no point continuing with him any longer
There are merits to both options. I prefer the latter.
Chatting with friends, colleagues, reading peoples thoughts in here, I think that's a pretty fair summary of which camp the vast majority of United fans fall in to.The two camps generally seem to be;
A) The structure above is in the process of being changed and no point changing a manager until they job is done and
B) The manager is no good so irrespective of the structure above there's no point continuing with him any longer
There are merits to both options. I prefer the latter.
RoadRunner220 said:
Forester1965 said:
We're not performing.
The two camps generally seem to be;
A) The structure above is in the process of being changed and no point changing a manager until they job is done and
B) The manager is no good so irrespective of the structure above there's no point continuing with him any longer
There are merits to both options. I prefer the latter.
Chatting with friends, colleagues, reading peoples thoughts in here, I think that's a pretty fair summary of which camp the vast majority of United fans fall in to.The two camps generally seem to be;
A) The structure above is in the process of being changed and no point changing a manager until they job is done and
B) The manager is no good so irrespective of the structure above there's no point continuing with him any longer
There are merits to both options. I prefer the latter.
'A' is the best option but it'll take time, potentially a lot of it and in that time we're likely to see more of the same sort of play
Forester1965 said:
We're not performing.
The two camps generally seem to be;
A) The structure above is in the process of being changed and no point changing a manager until they job is done and
B) The manager is no good so irrespective of the structure above there's no point continuing with him any longer
There are merits to both options. I prefer the latter.
3. The manager is OK and has just been unlucky with injuries. When he has a full squad everything will be fine. The two camps generally seem to be;
A) The structure above is in the process of being changed and no point changing a manager until they job is done and
B) The manager is no good so irrespective of the structure above there's no point continuing with him any longer
There are merits to both options. I prefer the latter.
Frimley111R said:
RoadRunner220 said:
Forester1965 said:
We're not performing.
The two camps generally seem to be;
A) The structure above is in the process of being changed and no point changing a manager until they job is done and
B) The manager is no good so irrespective of the structure above there's no point continuing with him any longer
There are merits to both options. I prefer the latter.
Chatting with friends, colleagues, reading peoples thoughts in here, I think that's a pretty fair summary of which camp the vast majority of United fans fall in to.The two camps generally seem to be;
A) The structure above is in the process of being changed and no point changing a manager until they job is done and
B) The manager is no good so irrespective of the structure above there's no point continuing with him any longer
There are merits to both options. I prefer the latter.
'A' is the best option but it'll take time, potentially a lot of it and in that time we're likely to see more of the same sort of play
Frimley111R said:
'A' is the best option but it'll take time, potentially a lot of it and in that time we're likely to see more of the same sort of play
I should add, I completely agree with the above, and I think the delay in agreeing a deal for Dan Ashworth to start working for us is hurting us.LF5335 said:
3. The manager is OK and has just been unlucky with injuries. When he has a full squad everything will be fine.
Whilst I am underwhelmed with ETH , I just read we have played 32 different back 4s this season , I’m not really sure any manager could cope with that . ( yes the question should be asked about the number of injuries ,but the suck notes that are Varane and shaw were not due to ETH) Dan Ashworth doesn’t put the ball in the net.
What if all the structure is changed, Brailsford gets to have a word in the ear of every player on the way out and all seems better off the pitch. It doesn’t make Rashford be less greedy or put the ball the right side of the post rather than the wrong side. That’s coaching, innit?
What if all the structure is changed, Brailsford gets to have a word in the ear of every player on the way out and all seems better off the pitch. It doesn’t make Rashford be less greedy or put the ball the right side of the post rather than the wrong side. That’s coaching, innit?
uk66fastback said:
Dan Ashworth doesn’t put the ball in the net.
What if all the structure is changed, Brailsford gets to have a word in the ear of every player on the way out and all seems better off the pitch. It doesn’t make Rashford be less greedy or put the ball the right side of the post rather than the wrong side. That’s coaching, innit?
Agreed.What if all the structure is changed, Brailsford gets to have a word in the ear of every player on the way out and all seems better off the pitch. It doesn’t make Rashford be less greedy or put the ball the right side of the post rather than the wrong side. That’s coaching, innit?
Whilst Ten Haag has had a huge amount of things to contend with, the injuries this season being a huge one, I haven't seen enough from a coaching perspective to make me think we should be continuing with him. Despite all the injuries, I think by now we should be seeing some evidence on the pitch, and we should be seeing improvement in the players that are playing, in their decision making as a result of coaching. I feel that we, or myself specifically, aren't seeing that.
But why I think we should be waiting for the structure above to be set first before getting rid of the manager, is because it's that structure, and Dan Ashworth in particular that will be responsible for making sure that we get the right coach, and the right coaching staff in place to take us forwards.
franki68 said:
Whilst I am underwhelmed with ETH , I just read we have played 32 different back 4s this season , I’m not really sure any manager could cope with that . ( yes the question should be asked about the number of injuries ,but the suck notes that are Varane and shaw were not due to ETH)
True, but the permanent sick note that is Malacia & Martinez are. I get that no manager would realistically be able to cope with an ever changing defence and that the injury list has been huge this year. However, that doesn’t excuse the lack of playing style, or the non-existent midfield, or the failure to address the lack of service to Hojlund, or persisting with underperforming players. I agree with the comment further up though that there’s not exactly a lot of choice when it comes to managers out there and that we won’t be high up the pecking order when competing with Liverpool, Bayern & Barca. It’ll be interesting to see how Liverpool get on with their potential new Dutch maestro.
RoadRunner220 said:
Agreed.
Whilst Ten Haag has had a huge amount of things to contend with, the injuries this season being a huge one, I haven't seen enough from a coaching perspective to make me think we should be continuing with him. Despite all the injuries, I think by now we should be seeing some evidence on the pitch, and we should be seeing improvement in the players that are playing, in their decision making as a result of coaching. I feel that we, or myself specifically, aren't seeing that.
But why I think we should be waiting for the structure above to be set first before getting rid of the manager, is because it's that structure, and Dan Ashworth in particular that will be responsible for making sure that we get the right coach, and the right coaching staff in place to take us forwards.
Sums up where I am at too. I can't really see a huge case beyond optimism and hope for keeping him, sadly, but equally I can appreciate how hard this season has been in some ways. Whilst Ten Haag has had a huge amount of things to contend with, the injuries this season being a huge one, I haven't seen enough from a coaching perspective to make me think we should be continuing with him. Despite all the injuries, I think by now we should be seeing some evidence on the pitch, and we should be seeing improvement in the players that are playing, in their decision making as a result of coaching. I feel that we, or myself specifically, aren't seeing that.
But why I think we should be waiting for the structure above to be set first before getting rid of the manager, is because it's that structure, and Dan Ashworth in particular that will be responsible for making sure that we get the right coach, and the right coaching staff in place to take us forwards.
The reality for me is we just need patience now. Structurally we are changing, we need time to bed that in and get the right people making the (hopefully) right decisions. Rome wasn't built in a day etc. If the manager with the right attributes isn't available then opting for the wrong one, only to have to replace them again in a couple of years or so is then a potential for more disruption that we don't need later down the road.
The solution, assuming they can line up a long term candidate, would seem to be an Interim [a clearly defined. no chance they are staying. interim] - but that also means paying off ETH and taking the FFP hit on the gamble the Interim will achieve more next year re qualification for Europe etc. than ETH will. Presumably these are the options they are weighing up.
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