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davepoth

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68 months

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Friday 15th June 2012 quote quote all
hornet said:
don4l said:
Most modern scientists assume that Einstein was 100% correct
I'm guessing most of the quantum physicists don't...
Einstein didn't either.

Einstein said:
The important thing is not to stop questioning; curiosity has its own reason for existing.
But also:

Einstein said:
Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves.
Wise man indeed.

Derek Smith

16,018 posts

117 months

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Friday 15th June 2012 quote quote all
hornet said:
don4l said:
Most modern scientists assume that Einstein was 100% correct
I'm guessing most of the quantum physicists don't...
All quantum physicists are wrong. Of this there is no doubt.

Al scientific theories have been proved wrong. All it takes is time. Newton, pure genius, was proved wrong by Einstein (amongst others). Creationists seem to think that disproving Darwin will somehow create their god but in many wasy Darwin has been proved wrong. There is a catastrophic view of evolution that has a lot going for it, not mentioned by Darwin. He had no knowledge of DNA. Mind you, it would appear that most sceintitsts have no real idea of DNA given recent discoveries, sorry, theories.

The only truth is that everything scientists tell us is lies. At best it can only be a best guess, based on observations of coruse.

GuinnessMK

1,111 posts

91 months

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Saturday 16th June 2012 quote quote all
I've been reading John Barrow's "The Book of Universes" in bed for the last few nights.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Book-Universes-John-Ba...

Everything was going fine until I got to the section on Braneworlds at about 1am. I've read that chapter several times and still can't get my head round it.

If anyone can explain that bit, it might save me to try reading it either before I'm half cut or half asleep.

Gene Vincent

4,002 posts

27 months

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Saturday 16th June 2012 quote quote all
GuinnessMK said:
I've been reading John Barrow's "The Book of Universes" in bed for the last few nights.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Book-Universes-John-Ba...

Everything was going fine until I got to the section on Braneworlds at about 1am. I've read that chapter several times and still can't get my head round it.

If anyone can explain that bit, it might save me to try reading it either before I'm half cut or half asleep.
I have not read the book, so I don't know the specifics.

However I can talk about Branes.

To do so we have to go back a few years.

In the 60s a new form of maths supremos had some intriguing ideas on the future of theoretical theorists and a new math was born over the next few years, it was fiendishly esoteric and more than a little confounding, eventually this math was taken by a true maths genius and extended and applied to a new theory, it was known as String Theory, it was almost impossible for all but a few to take it apart and argue against, but it was and it was changed to Superstring Theory, by this time the advent of the Computer with real power started to dissemble it, but there were parts that fitted, in fact fitted so well almost everyone agreed that there was a nugget of pure gold in there, but Superstring, just like String was wrong, but the bit that survived was Brane Theory and this, at last, held some promise, but this too has been dismissed, but the dismissal has a huge twist in the tail, although few in the Quantum Field Theory camp freely admits it, the remnants of both String Theories and Brane theory is the basis for QFT, without the convolutions of those we would not have arrived at QFT when we did.

That was a very abbreviated and dismissive precis and viciously truncated.

But the whole S/SS/B episode has had quite a few effects on maths and theoreticians since that time.

It is not dead, there are still adherents of some of its principles and the (very) original thinking behind it is only to be admired and may yet at some time need to be re-visited as almost anyone who perseveres with the maths instinctively feels there is more to come from the theory.

So the S/SS/B book will lay on the shelf gathering dust and at some point when a truly great mind picks it up, dusts it off and provides the key, we wait.

Often work that seems all wrong can be shelved only to become later lionised at a document of huge foresight... for me at this time, it's largely ballocks... but I reserve the right to change my mind in the future.

My advice is if you've got your head around S/SS and stumbling over Branes, just jump to QFT...

uktrailmonster

4,406 posts

69 months

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Tuesday 19th June 2012 quote quote all
Gene Vincent said:
My advice is if you've got your head around S/SS and stumbling over Branes, just jump to QFT...
Great post thanks. I've read a little about String Theory and Branes and these theories did come across as, shall we say, very clever but self indulgent mathematical conundrums (as a layman reading popular science books, so maybe what I've read has been diluted to the point of coming across as being far fetched nonsense). I'll have to try reading about QFT next!



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CommanderJameson

20,647 posts

95 months

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Wednesday 20th June 2012 quote quote all
Derek Smith said:
All quantum physicists are wrong. Of this there is no doubt.

Al scientific theories have been proved wrong. All it takes is time. Newton, pure genius, was proved wrong by Einstein (amongst others). Creationists seem to think that disproving Darwin will somehow create their god but in many wasy Darwin has been proved wrong. There is a catastrophic view of evolution that has a lot going for it, not mentioned by Darwin. He had no knowledge of DNA. Mind you, it would appear that most sceintitsts have no real idea of DNA given recent discoveries, sorry, theories.

The only truth is that everything scientists tell us is lies. At best it can only be a best guess, based on observations of coruse.
Vastly over-simplifying things there, Derek.

Newton's equations aren't wrong, they're simply insufficiently detailed to describe all cases. You can land a spaceship on another planet quite satisfactorily using Newtonian mechanics.

Like a lot of people in this thread, I think it would behove you to revisit the definitions (in this context) of the words "theory" and "hypothesis".

Einion Yrth

10,388 posts

113 months

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Wednesday 20th June 2012 quote quote all
CommanderJameson said:
Newton's equations aren't wrong, they're simply insufficiently detailed to describe all cases.
Thus they are "wrong", they remain a perfectly adequate approximation in most circumstances but since they cannot describe all circumstances they are not "correct", ergo they are "wrong".

(As I'm sure is everything else we "know" - contingent truths and best guesses is all we shall ever have.)
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