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thinfourth2
23,582 posts
73 months
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longblackcoat said: (what do you do if you don't have a garage to charge it up in, for example) Its a very similar problem as the the one that effects the veyron What do you do if you don't have a million pounds to buy one for exmaple The remarkably obvious answer is Don't buy one
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Captain Muppet
5,962 posts
134 months
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R500POP said: Captain Muppet said: Which of your driving requirements needs 48 to 72 hours to test? Surely you can learn everything just by driving it on your normal commuting route to assess the range then check your charging facitlities are suitable? What else is there to test? Mond eve - nothing on Tues - take daughter #2 to gym & daughter #1 to cheer Wed - take daughter#1 to cheer Thurs - take daughter #2 to gym Fri - Day off So since you ask, quite a lot, then ther's the cycle of putting on charge & seeing how that works out. So your day with the bigest mileage is Tuesday. Borrow it for Tuesday and charge it before you give it back. Job done. Unless #1 cheers further away on Wednesday. Of course you could just have it for Friday and drive all your routes on the your day off, because the car won't know that your #s aren't cheering or exercising. So what else is there to test really? Why do you need the car for longer than that?
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Chrisw666
20,868 posts
68 months
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The Crack Fox said: Chrisw666 said: I tried to get a Leaf or Peugeot ION as a trial I tried to get a Mitsu MIEV test drive, but the range from the nearest dealership was barely sufficient to get to my house (In the Midlands, not the Shetlands), which summed up the pointlessness of (most of) these things... It was from these people http://vehicletrial.switchev.co.uk/ who only seem to be north east based and most of their work is with local authorities and companies. I've also been trying to get a EV Minibus as a trial with a view to replacing a transit or two with one as we currently run vehicles for less than 30 miles a day so would be perfect for us but they don't seem interested in people who aren't that high profile.
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AyBee
5,243 posts
71 months
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thinfourth2 said: longblackcoat said: (what do you do if you don't have a garage to charge it up in, for example) Its a very similar problem as the the one that effects the veyron What do you do if you don't have a million pounds to buy one for exmaple The remarkably obvious answer is Don't buy one What a pointless comparison - one is a matter of enough money, the other is the the distance from the electricity supply and not being able to park further away from one than the supplied cable because you cannot use an extension cable. Stop trying to be deliberately obtuse, unless you genuinely think that's a good comparison! 
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Captain Muppet
5,962 posts
134 months
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AyBee said: thinfourth2 said: longblackcoat said: (what do you do if you don't have a garage to charge it up in, for example) Its a very similar problem as the the one that effects the veyron What do you do if you don't have a million pounds to buy one for exmaple The remarkably obvious answer is Don't buy one What a pointless comparison - one is a matter of enough money, the other is the the distance from the electricity supply and not being able to park further away from one than the supplied cable because you cannot use an extension cable. Stop trying to be deliberately obtuse, unless you genuinely think that's a good comparison! I'm pretty sure with enough money you can get around the lack of a garage, by building a garage. If you don't have adequate charging facilities you don't buy an electric car. So I think his "Don't buy one" conclusion is valid.
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ewenm
24,454 posts
114 months
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AyBee said: What a pointless comparison - one is a matter of enough money, the other is the the distance from the electricity supply and not being able to park further away from one than the supplied cable because you cannot use an extension cable. Stop trying to be deliberately obtuse, unless you genuinely think that's a good comparison! The point he's making and the one that several people always ignore on EV threads is that current EVs are NOT designed for everyone. They aren't even designed for most people. One day they probably will be, but it's all too new and too niche at the moment. Many people on PH seem to say "This EV isn't suitable for ME so all EVs must be unsuitable for everyone" and it gets rather tiresome. No-one is saying they are suitable for everyone, not even real EVangelists.
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thinfourth2
23,582 posts
73 months
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AyBee said: thinfourth2 said: longblackcoat said: (what do you do if you don't have a garage to charge it up in, for example) Its a very similar problem as the the one that effects the veyron What do you do if you don't have a million pounds to buy one for exmaple The remarkably obvious answer is Don't buy one What a pointless comparison - one is a matter of enough money, the other is the the distance from the electricity supply and not being able to park further away from one than the supplied cable because you cannot use an extension cable. Stop trying to be deliberately obtuse, unless you genuinely think that's a good comparison! Not really you aren't forced to buy an EV any more then you are forced to buy a veyron so a perfectly suitable comparision. Both are unsuitable for a normal person due to money/lack of parking
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R500POP
Original Poster
5,920 posts
79 months
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Found the 24hr test drive link on the Nissan site, so I'm going for a 24hr drive to see how it shapes up.
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abbotsmike
382 posts
14 months
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longblackcoat said: Not sure that they have. The car itself is fine - it runs well, in a sort of inoffensive way - and they're happy enough with it in that sense, but the range anxiety, and the fact that you can't use an extension cable to charge it up (what do you do if you don't have a garage to charge it up in, for example) seems to demonstrate that it's not there yet.
Plus, look at how many miles they've done in it - very few compared to their normal long-termers Really? I can see that being an issue with some 50p piece of spaghetti extension, due to the high current drawn by these things, but a proper extension made from decent sized cable is no different to plugging it into a wall socket on a spur....
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Fast Bug
624 posts
30 months
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ewenm said: The point he's making and the one that several people always ignore on EV threads is that current EVs are NOT designed for everyone. They aren't even designed for most people.
One day they probably will be, but it's all too new and too niche at the moment. Many people on PH seem to say "This EV isn't suitable for ME so all EVs must be unsuitable for everyone" and it gets rather tiresome. No-one is saying they are suitable for everyone, not even real EVangelists. At last someone with sense! We've just had our first Twizy turn up, no it's not for everyone, it's not for me for sure, but I've sold a couple already. I've sold a few electric Kangoo vans as well, again they won't suit most people, the people that it doesn't suit won't be forced in to buying one!
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c2mike
141 posts
18 months
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V88Dicky said: I wish some private buyer would hurry up and buy a Leaf. The only ones I've seen so far seem to be Nissan staff cars, council sponsored vehicles, or ran by some renewable type scammers company. I have bought one with my hard earned ££. I will report on it soon (coming up to 1 years ownership this month).
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c2mike
141 posts
18 months
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longblackcoat said: Not sure that they have. The car itself is fine - it runs well, in a sort of inoffensive way - and they're happy enough with it in that sense, but the range anxiety, and the fact that you can't use an extension cable to charge it up (what do you do if you don't have a garage to charge it up in, for example) seems to demonstrate that it's not there yet.
Plus, look at how many miles they've done in it - very few compared to their normal long-termers You can charge it at 10A from a normal household electric outlet - the Leaf comes with a cable which has a standard 3 pin UK plug on one end and a specialised plug on the other end which goes into the car. It is outdoor rated. Faster charging options require different wall sockets. Private users are typically doing many more miles than Journos - I will report on mine very soon (just waiting for the first annual service experience).
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thinfourth2
23,582 posts
73 months
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c2mike said: I will report on mine very soon (just waiting for the first annual service experience). I imagine you'll still get charged for engine oil, oil filter and air filter. Next year they will change the plugs. cynical, me, never
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R500POP
Original Poster
5,920 posts
79 months
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thinfourth2 said: I imagine you'll still get charged for engine oil, oil filter and air filter. Next year they will change the plugs.
cynical, me, never Like the Honda garage when I took my Insight in. The car is a 3cyl & takes about 2.5L of oil, they tried to charge me for 4 plugs & 4.5L of oil.
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c2mike
141 posts
18 months
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thinfourth2 said: I imagine you'll still get charged for engine oil, oil filter and air filter. Next year they will change the plugs.
cynical, me, never We'll see. According to the handbook, the only part that needs replacing after the first 12 months is the air con filter. However, lots of checks. No engine oil, but still has a cooling system for the battery.
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sjg
4,296 posts
134 months
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ewenm said: The point he's making and the one that several people always ignore on EV threads is that current EVs are NOT designed for everyone. They aren't even designed for most people.
One day they probably will be, but it's all too new and too niche at the moment. Many people on PH seem to say "This EV isn't suitable for ME so all EVs must be unsuitable for everyone" and it gets rather tiresome. No-one is saying they are suitable for everyone, not even real EVangelists. This is it. Not everyone needs to seat 5, or 7 or more people. Not everyone needs to carry 3000+ litres of stuff. Not everyone needs four wheel drive. Not everyone needs a 1500kg+ towing capacity. Not everyone needs a 100+ mile range. You might have a frequent enough need for one or more of those characteristics to ensure that the vehicle you buy can do it. You might only need it once in a while, where it may make sense to just rent something else on those occasions. Is a 2-seater sports car a rubbish car because it can't fit a family of four and their luggage? No, just an unsuitable one for them.
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MonkeyMatt
4,741 posts
76 months
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ewenm said: I'm interested in how the car managed to strand the drivers? Did something break? Did it lie about how much range it had left? Im not sure the exact particulars! all I know is that they were out on site visits and ended up running out of juice before getting back to the office. They have also had to cancel meeting due to having to take the Leaf back to the office so it can be charged!
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Fast Bug
624 posts
30 months
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MonkeyMatt said: Im not sure the exact particulars! all I know is that they were out on site visits and ended up running out of juice before getting back to the office. They have also had to cancel meeting due to having to take the Leaf back to the office so it can be charged! So they didn't check how much range the vehicle had left before going? I'd put that down to stupidity rather than anything wrong with the car!
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MonkeyMatt
4,741 posts
76 months
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Fast Bug said: So they didn't check how much range the vehicle had left before going? I'd put that down to stupidity rather than anything wrong with the car! Not easy when you have multiple visits to do and you are driving around a place like Cornwall!
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Fast Bug
624 posts
30 months
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There are enough websites which allow you to work distances out though... I'd rather spend 5 minutes planning a journey than 2 hours waiting to be recovered 
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