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NGK210
357 posts
14 months
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"Ford doesn't 'do' official acceleration claims Down Under". Out of curiosity, why?
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VinceFox
14,196 posts
41 months
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i believe they employ the catch all descriptor of "ripper, mate" for this kind of thing.
oh and that's awesome. properly awesome. like batmans big shop car.
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s m
8,102 posts
72 months
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NGK210 said: "Ford doesn't 'do' official acceleration claims Down Under". "...but if they did they'd be the best Australian Ford V8 acceleration claims ever...." 
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Pommygranite
4,158 posts
85 months
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I don't have much to add but I f  king love my Falcon G6E Turbo (in my profile) and it wouldn't be that much slower than the Panther In the article given my has a 5.1-60 time. Apparently $2500 takes me from 360bhp to the same 450bhp as the Panther but that's the benefit of the turbo 6. Sorely tempted. This is mine:   
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undertow
16 posts
44 months
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Carfolio said: kW is not "Aussie-speak" for f k's sake. It's the SI unit of power. This Aussie says a double thank you for also using the correct casing of 'k' 
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dtrump
1,276 posts
60 months
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Frimley111R said: Only 445bhp? Thats a bit average for a car like that surely? I was expecting 600bhp or something like that. Its strange isnt it. Today people expect a figure of 600+ for a vehicle like this. Not so long ago 445bhp would be epic. But now....445bhp....meh! ridiculous but quite true
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Twincam16
27,216 posts
127 months
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Fury1630 said: "Ford's European boss of petrol engines said: "The death of the V8 has been over-publicised in the past but it could almost be on its last hurrah now. I think it (V8) will be a niche"
On the other hand as the pedestrian safety regs bite & the gap twixt engine & bonnet has to increase, you either raise the bonnet even further, or lower the top of the engine, which means slant fours, boxers & vees:- discuss I'm not sure the average V-engine is lower than the average four - OK, so the cylinders are offset, but with all the induction gear on top of it, it's about the same height. I can see more manufacturers going down the Subaru route and looking into flat-configuration engines. I reckon some small-car builders might revisit flat-twins, as you could make the engine modular - 2/4/6/8/10/12-cylinder engines all spun off the same concept. The other alternative is to do what a lot of other manufacturers do and stick the engine way back in the chassis. Only problem with that is that you end up with either a very long bonnet (as with Mercedes) or the engine eating severely into cabin space, compromising the shape of the dashboard so you end up with rubbish like electronic handbrakes.
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SkinnyBoy
4,280 posts
127 months
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Every day I drive these, work on them, repair them and including, HSV's and all the other horrendous cars the colonials make from boggo Omega's all the way up to R8's, I can honestly say, the quality is a far cry from a euro sourced car. Its the same with Aussie built Camry's and the gone but still f king horrendous Aussie built Mitsu Magna's. I spent half a day today debugging an SS VE ute, because of its stupid canbus and woeful earth points. Oh and to replace a quarter panel on a Ute you have to remove the interior, the engine, and rear subframe and gut it to almost a shell to do it right. Luckily for us we are set up to do this work, but by god I hate aussie cars, built by mouth breathers to a budget and then covered in glue so the tat sticks to them.
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rhinochopig
16,050 posts
67 months
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SkinnyBoy said: Every day I drive these, work on them, repair them and including, HSV's and all the other horrendous cars the colonials make from boggo Omega's all the way up to R8's, I can honestly say, the quality is a far cry from a euro sourced car. Its the same with Aussie built Camry's and the gone but still f king horrendous Aussie built Mitsu Magna's. I spent half a day today debugging an SS VE ute, because of its stupid canbus and woeful earth points. Oh and to replace a quarter panel on a Ute you have to remove the interior, the engine, and rear subframe and gut it to almost a shell to do it right. Luckily for us we are set up to do this work, but by god I hate aussie cars, built by mouth breathers to a budget and then covered in glue so the tat sticks to them. My wife says I can be unnaturally empathic at times - almost like I'm communicating with the spirit world - and, reading between the lines, I'm sensing some negativity here towards these cars. Am I right?
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VinceFox
14,196 posts
41 months
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Pommygranite said: I don't have much to add but I f king love my Falcon G6E Turbo (in my profile) and it wouldn't be that much slower than the Panther In the article given my has a 5.1-60 time. Apparently $2500 takes me from 360bhp to the same 450bhp as the Panther but that's the benefit of the turbo 6. Sorely tempted. This is mine: what's all that weird brightness around it?
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SkinnyBoy
4,280 posts
127 months
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rhinochopig said: SkinnyBoy said: Every day I drive these, work on them, repair them and including, HSV's and all the other horrendous cars the colonials make from boggo Omega's all the way up to R8's, I can honestly say, the quality is a far cry from a euro sourced car. Its the same with Aussie built Camry's and the gone but still f king horrendous Aussie built Mitsu Magna's. I spent half a day today debugging an SS VE ute, because of its stupid canbus and woeful earth points. Oh and to replace a quarter panel on a Ute you have to remove the interior, the engine, and rear subframe and gut it to almost a shell to do it right. Luckily for us we are set up to do this work, but by god I hate aussie cars, built by mouth breathers to a budget and then covered in glue so the tat sticks to them. My wife says I can be unnaturally empathic at times - almost like I'm communicating with the spirit world - and, reading between the lines, I'm sensing some negativity here towards these cars. Am I right? Haha, mate when you work on as many of them as I do, you will know they are crap, regardless of how pokey the motor is, it needs to be to haul around its lardy arse. Thing is, over here to get any decent cars we pay through the nose and the second hand market makes you weep. I had an FPV GT company car for a bit a few years ago, it ate clutches like you wouldn't believe and the rotors were made of cheese. Took it on one trackday and it dropped its diff oil and spun a bearing. Utterly crap built cars.
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slippery
9,391 posts
108 months
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I like it! 
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Pommygranite
4,158 posts
85 months
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VinceFox said: Pommygranite said: I don't have much to add but I f king love my Falcon G6E Turbo (in my profile) and it wouldn't be that much slower than the Panther In the article given my has a 5.1-60 time. Apparently $2500 takes me from 360bhp to the same 450bhp as the Panther but that's the benefit of the turbo 6. Sorely tempted. This is mine: what's all that weird brightness around it? That's the sun
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JdmRacer
40 posts
19 months
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SkinnyBoy said: Haha, mate when you work on as many of them as I do, you will know they are crap, regardless of how pokey the motor is, it needs to be to haul around its lardy arse. Thing is, over here to get any decent cars we pay through the nose and the second hand market makes you weep. I had an FPV GT company car for a bit a few years ago, it ate clutches like you wouldn't believe and the rotors were made of cheese. Took it on one trackday and it dropped its diff oil and spun a bearing. Utterly crap built cars. Bringing a company car to a track day  still would love one of them good honest v8 power 
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PascalBuyens
2,550 posts
151 months
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That's a proper mean looking car...
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KimZ
213 posts
83 months
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Fury1630 said: On the other hand as the pedestrian safety regs bite & the gap twixt engine & bonnet has to increase, you either raise the bonnet even further, or lower the top of the engine, which means slant fours, boxers & vees:- discuss Hmm.. Perhaps the future is a return to mid engine layout so as not to hurt wayward peds... wouldn't be a bad thing imo. Although 1 1/2 tonnes of car hitting you is going to hurt wherever you put the bloody engine! This is a very pretty beastie though. Lust.
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reckless928s
13 posts
11 months
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StefanVXR8 said: It's a shame Ford doesn't import that in to the UK like Vauxhall does with the HSV Clubsport R8!
The side profile in those pics looks fantastic.
I'd happily take that (and of course the VXR8!) over anything in the German stable anyday!
Stef I couldn't agree with you more, considerably better value for money i would think aswell.
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MrQuick
118 posts
29 months
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SkinnyBoy said: rhinochopig said: SkinnyBoy said: Every day I drive these, work on them, repair them and including, HSV's and all the other horrendous cars the colonials make from boggo Omega's all the way up to R8's, I can honestly say, the quality is a far cry from a euro sourced car. Its the same with Aussie built Camry's and the gone but still f king horrendous Aussie built Mitsu Magna's. I spent half a day today debugging an SS VE ute, because of its stupid canbus and woeful earth points. Oh and to replace a quarter panel on a Ute you have to remove the interior, the engine, and rear subframe and gut it to almost a shell to do it right. Luckily for us we are set up to do this work, but by god I hate aussie cars, built by mouth breathers to a budget and then covered in glue so the tat sticks to them. My wife says I can be unnaturally empathic at times - almost like I'm communicating with the spirit world - and, reading between the lines, I'm sensing some negativity here towards these cars. Am I right? Haha, mate when you work on as many of them as I do, you will know they are crap, regardless of how pokey the motor is, it needs to be to haul around its lardy arse. Thing is, over here to get any decent cars we pay through the nose and the second hand market makes you weep. I had an FPV GT company car for a bit a few years ago, it ate clutches like you wouldn't believe and the rotors were made of cheese. Took it on one trackday and it dropped its diff oil and spun a bearing. Utterly crap built cars. Ah mate, I know how you feel. The first commenter said that the Falcon is solidly built, I pissed myself laughing. Clunky diffs, woeful brakes, terrible 'boxes and that f king axle-tramp, gah makes me angry just thinking about it. Australia doesn't have a JD Power style automotive reliability survey like many other countries, the Aussie manufacturers have all colluded and none release reliability data. The big downside of this is that there are no manufacturer reliability reports and no one is held accountable for cars that seem to be built, as Skinny puts it, mouth breathers. The chassis originates from the 1998 Ford AU Falcon, so when you buy this car, you're essentially buying a slightly beefed up and heavier 14 y/o chassis. Ford has never done acceleration test because private testing always results in a slower number. No mag has ever matched Ford's unofficial acceleration tests. Same goes for the Holdens, they always seem to underperform. BTW, for all those going on about how 445hp is fairly low for something like that, most dynoed GTs have resulted in at least that number at the wheels and most are about the 460hp ATW mark. XR6 Turbos and G6E Turbos are the pick of the range. The FPV cars can't cope with the power but hopefully this model goes some way to address that.
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nicknoo
27 posts
35 months
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thewheelman said: Why the hell won't Ford sell them in the U.K.? Ford UK did try in the 70's with the XB GT - and it was a resounding flop! So I'm guessing that they have learnt from the past with trying to sell niche cars in a 'foreign' market. Side note, I love the looks of this new Falcon GT - powerful and agressive. I have owned for a long time a 1970 XW GT with a 351 Cleveland pushing 330bhp and that's quick enough. This new one must be brutal.
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jbi
5,288 posts
73 months
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The world is a LOT bigger than the UK and EU markets.
As long as there is oil in the ground and American's, Aussies and Arabs to buy them, there will be V8's about.
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