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Colonial

9,902 posts

75 months

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BlackPrince said:
one of the above posters commented that an M5 is $150k new in Oz. WTF? Thats $150k in Canadian or American dollars and about £100k!!! For an M5? Is that just what the manufacturers charge because of the cost of bringing them over, or is it tax?
Actually that 150k would get you about a 2010 model.

An e39 is about 40k australian. Or the same price as a new Golf GTI.

Pommygranite

4,184 posts

86 months

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When i mentioned $150k that was for a newish 550 or a second hand M5.

Traditionally the exchange rate has been c.$2.5-3. = £1 and so pricing has reflected this and hasn't shifted now we are down to $1.50 - £1.

Oh and don't forget here you will pay stamp duty on a car purchase, I paid $2,400 on my Falcon. Try $18k on a new M5 in sales tax alone....

BlackPrince

785 posts

39 months

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That is absolutely ridiculous - thats basically slightly used McLaren MP4-12C money for a hotted up family saloon.
Does it work out cheaper to just bring one over from the UK or Japan or do the import duties make it pointless?

Colonial

9,902 posts

75 months

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BlackPrince said:
That is absolutely ridiculous - thats basically slightly used McLaren MP4-12C money for a hotted up family saloon.
Does it work out cheaper to just bring one over from the UK or Japan or do the import duties make it pointless?
No can do.

Need to own the car for a minimum of 12 months and need to show usage of that car for those 12 months.

And you can now only do that once every 5 years.

Plus import duties, cost of converting to Australian spec etc etc etc

Pommygranite

4,184 posts

86 months

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You know that show 'Border Patrol' where the mad old Chinese women try and smuggle in 3 tonnes of rotting fish and feign confusion when the customs guy gets annoyed? Well imagine that but bringing a car that is a gnats pube different to that expected and you've got an idea of how joyous customs here are!

Anyway I digress. The new FPV looks awesome but will depreciate like a used nappy. Will be fun though.
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Kawasicki

1,545 posts

105 months

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Falcon, rear wheel drive, fast and fun. The XR6 turbo is superb value for money.

IMHO Auto companies are giving up on rwd, and so are customers. The UK is just ahead of the game. Why would you want rwd, when you can half auto parking and in car twitter to speech updates. That's real technology! Even on PH, many say they are not bothered which axle is driven, that the fundamental ride/steering/handling advantages of rwd are no longer a priority.

See below for BMW M5, 550i, M3 prices


V88Dicky

4,591 posts

53 months

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I guess I'll take my Monaro back to Oz if I was ever to emigrate there.

How much is AU$45,000 by the way?

http://m.autotrader.com.au/ad?id=ATF3181729&la...

Pommygranite

4,184 posts

86 months

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V88Dicky said:
I guess I'll take my Monaro back to Oz if I was ever to emigrate there.

How much is AU$45,000 by the way?

http://m.autotrader.com.au/ad?id=ATF3181729&la...
About £30k.

jbi

5,393 posts

74 months

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Kawasicki said:
IMHO Auto companies are giving up on rwd, and so are customers.
Aston Martin DB9, DBS,
Bentley Mulsanne, Continental
BMW 1 series, 3 series, 5 series, 7 series, 325i, 335i, 535i, Z4, etc.
Cadillac CTS, STS.
Chevrolet Camero and Corvette.
Chrysler 300.
Dodge Challenger, Charger
Ford Mustang, Falcon
Ferrari All models
Holden Commodore, HSV, maloo,
Hyundai Genesis coupe, Genesis sedan, Equus
Infiniti EX, FX, G Series, M Series
Jaguar XF, XJ, XK
Lamborghini Gallardo
Lexus GS, IS, LS, SC.
Lincoln Town Car.
Lotus Elise, Evora, Exige
Maserati GranTurismo, Quattroporte
Mayback 57, 62
Mazda Mx-5, RX-8
McLaren MP4-12C
Mercedes-Benz Pretty Much All - C Class, E Class, GLK, S-Class, SLS, SLK, CLS, etc.
Mitsubishi i-MiEV
Nissan 370Z
Porsche 911, Boxster, Cayman, Panamera
Rolls-Royce Ghost, Phantom
Scion FR-S
Smart fortwo
Subaru BRZ
Toyota GT-86
Vauxhall VXR8

This is just a quick list of cars currently on sale (i've missed plenty)... not including the vast numbers of SUV's and pickup trucks.



V88Dicky

4,591 posts

53 months

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Pommygranite said:
V88Dicky said:
I guess I'll take my Monaro back to Oz if I was ever to emigrate there.

How much is AU$45,000 by the way?

http://m.autotrader.com.au/ad?id=ATF3181729&la...
About £30k.
About 3 times it's UK value. Excellent biggrin

bobberz

1,224 posts

69 months

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That looks superb! Shoehorn-in the supercharged 5.8L 650BHP mill from the new GT500 and call it a day! biggrin


Bladedancer

405 posts

66 months

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jbi said:
Almost all full sized pickup trucks and SUV's come with a V8 as standard.

Ford sold 584,917 F-150's in the USA alone last year.
USA isn't exactly an average country and their choice of cars... well... let's just say mentioned F150 isn't the best made car on the planet.
Then you should take into account the fact that in Europe most SUVs run diesels.

Plus I did mention EUAsia, not USA. USA isn't a benchmark or majority figure of any kind - If in doubt : USA 311mil people, Europe alone over 700 mil.

USA is in its own little world where petrol is so cheap (even today compared to the old continent) that developing smaller engines or diesels didn't make sense. Hence all those V8.

jbi

5,393 posts

74 months

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Bladedancer said:
USA isn't exactly an average country and their choice of cars... well... let's just say mentioned F150 isn't the best made car on the planet.
The F-150 will run a half million miles before scrapping on average.

Can you say that about your average bog standard UK ford focus?

In my experience the Americans are far better at building pick-up trucks than cars. Even Toyota has struggled to match them in quality and capability.

The USA is the second largest car market on the planet (third if you count Europe as a single entity) and hugely influential on design, capabilities and target markets.

Also remember it's not just americans buying F-150's. It's also Canadians, Mexicans, Arabs, Scandinavians, Brazillians, and the rest of south america.



KimZ

214 posts

84 months

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Aused said:
I think that most Brits have a bit of a romantic notion about these cars
Personally, no. Just want a simple pushrod, long-stroke V8 at a reasonable price, as long as engineering is sound - live axle or not!

aucklander

151 posts

20 months

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used to work for avis in my holidays.... gotta laugh at those who are saying these falcons are well built. great things to drive, on a wet road it has too much torque for the tyres and its a proper big straight 6 up ahead of you, but not well built at all. We had these, commodores, and toyota aurions. the falcon is most fun to drive, the commodore is better quality and is higher tech regarding its engine development, but the toyota feels in another league when it comes to build quality.

After 18 months on hire the falcon feels like its 4 or 5 years old. starts to clunk and bits do fall off.

Bladedancer

405 posts

66 months

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jbi said:
The F-150 will run a half million miles before scrapping on average.

Can you say that about your average bog standard UK ford focus?

In my experience the Americans are far better at building pick-up trucks than cars. Even Toyota has struggled to match them in quality and capability.

The USA is the second largest car market on the planet (third if you count Europe as a single entity) and hugely influential on design, capabilities and target markets.

Also remember it's not just americans buying F-150's. It's also Canadians, Mexicans, Arabs, Scandinavians, Brazillians, and the rest of south america.
Engine is one thing. Its not the only part of the car. Fords, well most US cars I've seen, don't seem to be very well put together when it comes to interior trim.

If Toyota is "struggling" then why all insurgent groups in world's harshest climates run Toyota pickups, not Fords?

USA might be good at building simple, utility vehicles (like a pickup) but lag behind on everything else.

And you're still missing the point. USA is a specific market because they have access to cheap fuel. Majority of the world doesn't. Even USA over the past few decades has learned to appreciate small (mostly Japanese) cars with smaller engines.

Kawasicki

1,545 posts

105 months

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Bladedancer said:
USA might be good at building simple, utility vehicles (like a pickup) but lag behind on everything else.
Nice sweeping statement, tell me why....

The USA leads the way in the area of in car infotainment?

The USA leads the way in autonomous tech...driverless cars...the future?

jbi

5,393 posts

74 months

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Bladedancer said:
Engine is one thing. Its not the only part of the car. Fords, well most US cars I've seen, don't seem to be very well put together when it comes to interior trim.
Depends entirely on the car in my experiance, traditionally chryler products have lagged behind GM and Ford, but remember that Americans like their cars big and cheap, so the "quality" of the materials used for interiors reflects this. It has nothing to do with the actual durability though.

Bladedancer said:
If Toyota is "struggling" then why all insurgent groups in world's harshest climates run Toyota pickups, not Fords?
They run whatever they can get their hands on. Seen any video's from recent wars? they are even driving Chinese pick-up trucks.

Bladedancer said:
USA might be good at building simple, utility vehicles (like a pickup) but lag behind on everything else.
They are on a par with pretty much anyone else in the world TBH. Car companies are pretty global these days and it's more complicated than simply branding a car as "american" when it's parts have been sourced from all over the world and it's designers/engineers were as well.

Bladedancer said:
And you're still missing the point. USA is a specific market because they have access to cheap fuel. Majority of the world doesn't. Even USA over the past few decades has learned to appreciate small (mostly Japanese) cars with smaller engines.
American cars are doing pretty well in China right now, which is the largest and most important market, and will continue to be so.

The Japanese cars in america still come with V6 power as standard for the most part.

As for the comment on fuel. I would say the majority of the world DOES have access to cheap fuel, but Europeans typically tax it very heavily.

Bladedancer

405 posts

66 months

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jbi said:
Depends entirely on the car in my experiance, traditionally chryler products have lagged behind GM and Ford, but remember that Americans like their cars big and cheap, so the "quality" of the materials used for interiors reflects this. It has nothing to do with the actual durability though.

They run whatever they can get their hands on. Seen any video's from recent wars? they are even driving Chinese pick-up trucks.

They are on a par with pretty much anyone else in the world TBH. Car companies are pretty global these days and it's more complicated than simply branding a car as "american" when it's parts have been sourced from all over the world and it's designers/engineers were as well.

American cars are doing pretty well in China right now, which is the largest and most important market, and will continue to be so.

The Japanese cars in america still come with V6 power as standard for the most part.

As for the comment on fuel. I would say the majority of the world DOES have access to cheap fuel, but Europeans typically tax it very heavily.
If a car rattle from new that doesn't bode well for reliability. Plus american V8s are long lives as they are not stressed at all - 150 or 200 bhp from 5 liters or so.

Toytotas are used where climate is too hot to handle for other makes smile
And from what you said militias prefer chinese stuff to US wink

Americans are doing well in China with likes of Buick, which is a quasi-premium make as far as local market is concerned. But hardly any of those I've seen have V8s in them.
In fact, if a prominent and wealthy Chinese individual buys a premium car, it's usually European (from what I've seen BMW 7 was very popular)

I've seen american quality in form of Mustang, Cadillac CTS and Chrysler 300C and I'm not impressed at all.

And for the last - you've mentioned V6 - that's V6, not V8. That is why I said V8 is a niche product is EUAsia and you seem to validate my claim.

Bladedancer

405 posts

66 months

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Kawasicki said:
Nice sweeping statement, tell me why....

The USA leads the way in the area of in car infotainment?

The USA leads the way in autonomous tech...driverless cars...the future?
... because anyone can stick a hifi system and lcd screens into a car? That's hardly the most important part of the car and surely had nothing to do with reliability. I can stick top end hifi into rusting Citroen but it won't make it into a great car (possibly into rat-style tuned one tho)

... because US is good at research with huge budgets and their Unis like to play that sort of thing. Problem is last I looked none of those were anywhere near production and US isn't the only country that plays with that tech. They just organise the desert competition for automatons.
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