RE: New Tesla Model 3 Performance gets 510hp
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272BHP said:
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Nearly 60k new 3 years ago and close to 20k now is quite harsh depreciation - who can afford that?
Oh, these modern Tesla buyers know nothing.Nearly 60k new 3 years ago and close to 20k now is quite harsh depreciation - who can afford that?
We had a Model X P100DL back when they were new. Tesla dropped £40k off list overnight one day. Sadly not leased (albeit not for want of trying).
That was the day I said I'd never buy another.
Baldchap said:
Oh, these modern Tesla buyers know nothing.
We had a Model X P100DL back when they were new. Tesla dropped £40k off list overnight one day. Sadly not leased (albeit not for want of trying).
That was the day I said I'd never buy another.
40k off, good way to alienate your customers! We had a Model X P100DL back when they were new. Tesla dropped £40k off list overnight one day. Sadly not leased (albeit not for want of trying).
That was the day I said I'd never buy another.
WestyCarl said:
cerb4.5lee said:
CheesecakeRunner said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I watched the Harry's Garage video on the Model 3 last night, and I couldn't believe how bad the interior looked as well. I personally couldn't spend time in that interior for sure, although maybe I'm just too much of a snob when it comes to interiors though.
I'd want my money back if I'd payed for a car with such a shoddy interior like that has for sure. The owners of them must just turn a blind eye to it though, and they must just see the interior as the trade off for getting such cheap running costs with the car overall I reckon.
Plus we're all different, and we all like different things as well, and what is right for one person, won't be right for another I think.
You’re confusing aesthetics and design with quality of manufacturing and materials. The latter in a new Model 3 is as good as anyone else in the segment, BMW and Mercedes included. It is far from a shoddy interior. I'd want my money back if I'd payed for a car with such a shoddy interior like that has for sure. The owners of them must just turn a blind eye to it though, and they must just see the interior as the trade off for getting such cheap running costs with the car overall I reckon.
Plus we're all different, and we all like different things as well, and what is right for one person, won't be right for another I think.
Aesthetics and design, well, some people like Bauhaus chairs and some people like Chesterfields. Doesn’t mean one is any better than the other in terms of appearance.
For example: the Tesla heating/air con is leagues ahead of the BMW. There's no vents to adjust, it just keeps the car at consistenly the temp specificied without direct blasts of air, I've always had to fiddle with other cars to get them right depending on the outside conditions.
Sat Nav voice control is better than my previous BMW 5. (plus it has some clever AI to suggest destinations which is unervingly accurate)
I like the minimalism of ther Tesla but would like a few physical buttons for the entertainment as BMW have.
Just becuase it's very minimal don't assume it's not quality, shoddy or clever.
Ive one as a company car, 33k miles, 220 miles motorway range, no range/charging worry.
The struggle is that the only sensible replacement is another model 3.
Durzel said:
To be clear it’s only the RWD and LR that have dropped APR to 5.6%. The Performance is still an eye watering 9.6%.
I’m not going to buy another one outright again, not after suffering the crushing depreciation. My M3P has lost ~£830/month in depreciation last I checked, and I’m pretty sure that was less than the lease/PCP quotes I was getting back in the tail end of 2019.
Not going to entertain 9.6% APR though.
I saw the apr had droppedI’m not going to buy another one outright again, not after suffering the crushing depreciation. My M3P has lost ~£830/month in depreciation last I checked, and I’m pretty sure that was less than the lease/PCP quotes I was getting back in the tail end of 2019.
Not going to entertain 9.6% APR though.
But PCP guaranteed value on standard model, after 4 years, doesn’t inspire confidence!
£40k to £16k
Frankychops said:
This. The model 3 is miles ahead of a bmw 3/4 series in terms of actual quality. It also works as an ev.
Ive one as a company car, 33k miles, 220 miles motorway range, no range/charging worry.
The struggle is that the only sensible replacement is another model 3.
Why be sensible/dull?Ive one as a company car, 33k miles, 220 miles motorway range, no range/charging worry.
The struggle is that the only sensible replacement is another model 3.
911Spanker said:
Frankychops said:
This. The model 3 is miles ahead of a bmw 3/4 series in terms of actual quality. It also works as an ev.
Ive one as a company car, 33k miles, 220 miles motorway range, no range/charging worry.
The struggle is that the only sensible replacement is another model 3.
Why be sensible/dull?Ive one as a company car, 33k miles, 220 miles motorway range, no range/charging worry.
The struggle is that the only sensible replacement is another model 3.
cerb4.5lee said:
Shoddy is probably a bit harsh, but I don't for one minute think that a Tesla competes with a BMW or a Mercedes though. They might be at similar price points, but they aren't the same class of car for me at all.
Mercedes are awful these days. Laden with cheap plastic that creaks over every imperfection. Their cars seem to be designed and built for people who love Dubai. I doubt I’ll ever buy another they way things are going, their EVs are awful, Tesla wipe the floor. JAMSXR said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Shoddy is probably a bit harsh, but I don't for one minute think that a Tesla competes with a BMW or a Mercedes though. They might be at similar price points, but they aren't the same class of car for me at all.
Mercedes are awful these days. Laden with cheap plastic that creaks over every imperfection. Their cars seem to be designed and built for people who love Dubai. I doubt I’ll ever buy another they way things are going, their EVs are awful, Tesla wipe the floor. 
It just shows how old I am really though truthfully, because I see a Tesla as the bottom of the barrel, whereas the younger generation seem to see them as the bees knees in comparison to me though. Different times for different folk I think for sure.
cerb4.5lee said:
I don't mind modern Mercs to be fair, and I'd definitely take a modern Merc over a modern BMW now for sure. However I wouldn't be seen dead in a Tesla though, and if a Tesla turned up as a Taxi for me, I'd refuse it and definitely walk instead!
It just shows how old I am really though truthfully, because I see a Tesla as the bottom of the barrel, whereas the younger generation seem to see them as the bees knees in comparison to me though. Different times for different folk I think for sure.
Nothing to do with age really.It just shows how old I am really though truthfully, because I see a Tesla as the bottom of the barrel, whereas the younger generation seem to see them as the bees knees in comparison to me though. Different times for different folk I think for sure.
There is lots to like about Teslas. You only have to experience the utterly seamless Supercharger experience on a long drive to see the appeal.
White goods? for sure. But some days you just want the journey done with little fuss.
I have had a couple of E classes, 2005 and 2010. OH has a 2008 CLK. The 2005 car was a bit fake wood cheesy. The 2010 car reminded me of aspirational office furniture, as does the CLK. I had a new CLA courtesy car last year. The decline into utter naffness is striking. Tacky. Fussy. Cheap bling. Less boring, but more provincial nightclub than Reading industrial estate office unit. Don’t know how bad their grown up cars are now, but the CLA was awful.
cerb4.5lee said:
I don't mind modern Mercs to be fair, and I'd definitely take a modern Merc over a modern BMW now for sure. However I wouldn't be seen dead in a Tesla though, and if a Tesla turned up as a Taxi for me, I'd refuse it and definitely walk instead!
It just shows how old I am really though truthfully, because I see a Tesla as the bottom of the barrel, whereas the younger generation seem to see them as the bees knees in comparison to me though. Different times for different folk I think for sure.
Lee, I love ya man, I really do. And I respect your opinion on so many subjects. But you would not rather walk than jump in a Tesla taxi. I can GUARANTEE without knowing you you've been in many, many worse taxis than a Tesla. I DON'T LIKE THEM EITHER, but you are much, much better than resorting to the 'rather walk' quip beloved of so many single cell ameoba posters who post similar and think they are witty, unique and at the cutting edge of witty badinage. It's up there with 'ram raided Halfords' and ' should have gone to specsavers' as a riposte...at leat you adorned your reply with a smile which suggests to me you laughing at yourself.....It just shows how old I am really though truthfully, because I see a Tesla as the bottom of the barrel, whereas the younger generation seem to see them as the bees knees in comparison to me though. Different times for different folk I think for sure.
....its 03.18, you've fallen out of a nightclub with someone you've just met on your arm and several grams of tomorrow's remorse in your pocket. Your hotel is 8 miles away. Its cold. Its windy. Its raining. A Tesla is sitting on the rank......
biggbn said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I don't mind modern Mercs to be fair, and I'd definitely take a modern Merc over a modern BMW now for sure. However I wouldn't be seen dead in a Tesla though, and if a Tesla turned up as a Taxi for me, I'd refuse it and definitely walk instead!
It just shows how old I am really though truthfully, because I see a Tesla as the bottom of the barrel, whereas the younger generation seem to see them as the bees knees in comparison to me though. Different times for different folk I think for sure.
Lee, I love ya man, I really do. And I respect your opinion on so many subjects. But you would not rather walk than jump in a Tesla taxi. I can GUARANTEE without knowing you you've been in many, many worse taxis than a Tesla. I DON'T LIKE THEM EITHER, but you are much, much better than resorting to the 'rather walk' quip beloved of so many single cell ameoba posters who post similar and think they are witty, unique and at the cutting edge of witty badinage. It's up there with 'ram raided Halfords' and ' should have gone to specsavers' as a riposte...at leat you adorned your reply with a smile which suggests to me you laughing at yourself.....It just shows how old I am really though truthfully, because I see a Tesla as the bottom of the barrel, whereas the younger generation seem to see them as the bees knees in comparison to me though. Different times for different folk I think for sure.
....its 03.18, you've fallen out of a nightclub with someone you've just met on your arm and several grams of tomorrow's remorse in your pocket. Your hotel is 8 miles away. Its cold. Its windy. Its raining. A Tesla is sitting on the rank......
I do have the odd moments where I get frustrated and let myself down at times that's all for sure.
Obviously I'd get in a Tesla in those circumstances(I hope!), however I do get a bit annoyed at how you can't say anything negative about them without getting shot down though.
I guess that it is a sign of the times to be fair though.
I keep saying it, but I'm too old really for all this modern day electric stuff though, and I need to just leave it to the younger generation really I think for definite.
cerb4.5lee said:
biggbn said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I don't mind modern Mercs to be fair, and I'd definitely take a modern Merc over a modern BMW now for sure. However I wouldn't be seen dead in a Tesla though, and if a Tesla turned up as a Taxi for me, I'd refuse it and definitely walk instead!
It just shows how old I am really though truthfully, because I see a Tesla as the bottom of the barrel, whereas the younger generation seem to see them as the bees knees in comparison to me though. Different times for different folk I think for sure.
Lee, I love ya man, I really do. And I respect your opinion on so many subjects. But you would not rather walk than jump in a Tesla taxi. I can GUARANTEE without knowing you you've been in many, many worse taxis than a Tesla. I DON'T LIKE THEM EITHER, but you are much, much better than resorting to the 'rather walk' quip beloved of so many single cell ameoba posters who post similar and think they are witty, unique and at the cutting edge of witty badinage. It's up there with 'ram raided Halfords' and ' should have gone to specsavers' as a riposte...at leat you adorned your reply with a smile which suggests to me you laughing at yourself.....It just shows how old I am really though truthfully, because I see a Tesla as the bottom of the barrel, whereas the younger generation seem to see them as the bees knees in comparison to me though. Different times for different folk I think for sure.
....its 03.18, you've fallen out of a nightclub with someone you've just met on your arm and several grams of tomorrow's remorse in your pocket. Your hotel is 8 miles away. Its cold. Its windy. Its raining. A Tesla is sitting on the rank......
I do have the odd moments where I get frustrated and let myself down at times that's all for sure.
Obviously I'd get in a Tesla in those circumstances(I hope!), however I do get a bit annoyed at how you can't say anything negative about them without getting shot down though.
I guess that it is a sign of the times to be fair though.
I keep saying it, but I'm too old really for all this modern day electric stuff though, and I need to just leave it to the younger generation really I think for definite.
biggbn said:
Sorry man, uncharacteristically grumpy, I don't like Tesla, boring styling, no emotional connection, so, exactly the same reasons I'd not buy an ICE car...its Nowt to do with their propulsion method!! Take care man, peace and love as always, gbn x
No worries bud. Wishing you all the best too.
Familymad said:
Amazing how polarising EV’s are to petrolheads. This appears to be more prevalent with Tesla threads with really oddly passionate responses not applied to a BMW i4 or a Nissan Leaf etc.
So is it purely the Musk effect?
I don't know enough about Musk to like or dislike him to be honest. However the Tesla is a car that certainly does seem to send me off like a rocket for some daft reason occasionally though, and I don't really genuinely know why. I think they look stupid both inside and outside don't get me wrong, but surely that isn't a good enough reason for me to keep getting my knickers in a twist about them though to be fair. So is it purely the Musk effect?
Familymad said:
Amazing how polarising EV’s are to petrolheads. This appears to be more prevalent with Tesla threads with really oddly passionate responses not applied to a BMW i4 or a Nissan Leaf etc.
So is it purely the Musk effect?
I'd reqlly like an ev, woukd suit my usage well. I'd want a Tesla if they built one I liked, it's really that simple. I know very little about Musk, so it's not that. I just don't WANT one, same as I don't WANT lots of other carsSo is it purely the Musk effect?
Familymad said:
Amazing how polarising EV’s are to petrolheads. This appears to be more prevalent with Tesla threads with really oddly passionate responses not applied to a BMW i4 or a Nissan Leaf etc.
So is it purely the Musk effect?
It's standard PH snobbery. If the general public like something and it's very popular then it's vitally important we look down our powerfully built noses at it. So is it purely the Musk effect?
My father just picked up a cheap lease on a 2008EV. Lovely size and pretty nice build and refinement. But it’s been a shocker to charge, at home, with app failing and then the delayed charge timer working sometimes and other times not. So it decides to avoid cheap tariff and fill on expensive etc. Has really reminded me why Tesla have got the basics right which make for a seamless ownership experience.
My father has nearly sent the thing back and it’s pooped him off so much in only a month. His Leaf in 2015 just worked also. Doing some reading, it seems the same tech plagues 2008/208/3008 etc and loads of Vauxhall EV’s too.
… but no hatred towards them?!? (Bar my Dad!)
My father has nearly sent the thing back and it’s pooped him off so much in only a month. His Leaf in 2015 just worked also. Doing some reading, it seems the same tech plagues 2008/208/3008 etc and loads of Vauxhall EV’s too.
… but no hatred towards them?!? (Bar my Dad!)
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