RE: Jaguar XF V6 Luxury | Shed of the Week
Discussion
406dogvan said:
I fix these WAY too often and whilst I wouldn't touch most JLR stuff with a bargepole, for XFs it's 2 bargepoles
Biggest issue I see is they like forgetting their key codes, esp the earliest cars with the key slot, this is fixable IF you have 2 or more working keys, if you only have one you're scrapping the car as it's a dealer only repair for a couple of grand.
They're good cars for fish lovers as the boot fills with water and you know where that ends. The Sportbrake is even worse than the saloon for this
The rest of the electrics can be moody too and some cars suffer water ingress above the CJB in the driver's kickpanel which is game over territory on older cars too
They like to rust too, the rear subframe esp, most pre 2010 cars will now be pretty frilly unless it's been sorted.
Then there's that engine, its fine IF it's been maintained properly but who does that on an old Jag and when neglected they just hoover money from your wallet working or not.
You'd have to be mad to buy this unless you like gambles or have a YT channel where your failure can be monetised...
I think the CJB in mine got damp, I think the rubber seal for the wiring going to the door perished, with inevitable consequences. Paired with the £500 new rear subframe (due to rust), and the inlet manifolds going (oh, engine maintained properly? Wallet emptying..)Biggest issue I see is they like forgetting their key codes, esp the earliest cars with the key slot, this is fixable IF you have 2 or more working keys, if you only have one you're scrapping the car as it's a dealer only repair for a couple of grand.
They're good cars for fish lovers as the boot fills with water and you know where that ends. The Sportbrake is even worse than the saloon for this
The rest of the electrics can be moody too and some cars suffer water ingress above the CJB in the driver's kickpanel which is game over territory on older cars too
They like to rust too, the rear subframe esp, most pre 2010 cars will now be pretty frilly unless it's been sorted.
Then there's that engine, its fine IF it's been maintained properly but who does that on an old Jag and when neglected they just hoover money from your wallet working or not.
You'd have to be mad to buy this unless you like gambles or have a YT channel where your failure can be monetised...
... In fewer words, I must forlornly agree.
Well that particular Shed wouldn't appeal to me in the least, but in defence of the XF I've been more than happy with mine over the last seven years. The performance, the handling and the comfort are all I could reasonably ask for.
It's a 3.0 Diesel 'S' Portfolio and it's only had a single fault in all that time. I'll come back to that.
To be fair I don't do that many miles of late but here's the mpg figures after last year's holiday - you'll note the genuine fake carbon fibre trim on the dash, it's also on the door cards.
Not too shabby.
Anyway, it has had one fault. Yes, the crankshaft broke a few months after I bought it. Engine, and both turbos replaced by JLR at their expense. Bit traumatic at the time, but it was a long time ago
It's a 3.0 Diesel 'S' Portfolio and it's only had a single fault in all that time. I'll come back to that.
To be fair I don't do that many miles of late but here's the mpg figures after last year's holiday - you'll note the genuine fake carbon fibre trim on the dash, it's also on the door cards.
Not too shabby.
Anyway, it has had one fault. Yes, the crankshaft broke a few months after I bought it. Engine, and both turbos replaced by JLR at their expense. Bit traumatic at the time, but it was a long time ago
blueacid said:
I think the CJB in mine got damp, I think the rubber seal for the wiring going to the door perished, with inevitable consequences. Paired with the £500 new rear subframe (due to rust), and the inlet manifolds going (oh, engine maintained properly? Wallet emptying..)
... In fewer words, I must forlornly agree.
We had one in the workshop once, CJB was dripping wet - removed it from the car and dried/cleaned it - reinstalled and everything seemed to be working...... In fewer words, I must forlornly agree.
Car was left in workshop for weekend - workshop has no major leaks - come Monday the car is faulty again and the CJB is DRIPPING again!
I forget the exact details but it was something to do with the pipes for the washers - they can split and spray water and, of course, we tested the washers before leaving the car!!
Never a dull day on a Jag...
Micklemas said:
Well that particular Shed wouldn't appeal to me in the least, but in defence of the XF I've been more than happy with mine over the last seven years. The performance, the handling and the comfort are all I could reasonably ask for.
It's a 3.0 Diesel 'S' Portfolio and it's only had a single fault in all that time. I'll come back to that.
To be fair I don't do that many miles of late but here's the mpg figures after last year's holiday - you'll note the genuine fake carbon fibre trim on the dash, it's also on the door cards.
Not too shabby.
Anyway, it has had one fault. Yes, the crankshaft broke a few months after I bought it. Engine, and both turbos replaced by JLR at their expense. Bit traumatic at the time, but it was a long time ago
Amazing how much better that looks when it’s ostensibly the same car.It's a 3.0 Diesel 'S' Portfolio and it's only had a single fault in all that time. I'll come back to that.
To be fair I don't do that many miles of late but here's the mpg figures after last year's holiday - you'll note the genuine fake carbon fibre trim on the dash, it's also on the door cards.
Not too shabby.
Anyway, it has had one fault. Yes, the crankshaft broke a few months after I bought it. Engine, and both turbos replaced by JLR at their expense. Bit traumatic at the time, but it was a long time ago
Is the later XJ as much of a headache as an XF ?
Had a 2010 3.0D premium luxury for 5 years here in France and did many long trips around Europe and back and forth to the UK it was a Good car then it started going wrong and was going to cost lots.
Love Jaguar though so now replaced it with a 1996 X300 XJ6 4.0 sovereign and love this car even more and at 62 years of age it will see me out.
Cost me the same as what I got selling my XF for as a non runner.
Love Jaguar though so now replaced it with a 1996 X300 XJ6 4.0 sovereign and love this car even more and at 62 years of age it will see me out.
Cost me the same as what I got selling my XF for as a non runner.
philw696 said:
Had a 2010 3.0D premium luxury for 5 years here in France and did many long trips around Europe and back and forth to the UK it was a Good car then it started going wrong and was going to cost lots.
Love Jaguar though so now replaced it with a 1996 X300 XJ6 4.0 sovereign and love this car even more and at 62 years of age it will see me out.
Cost me the same as what I got selling my XF for as a non runner.
What issues did you encounter when it started to go wrong. Love Jaguar though so now replaced it with a 1996 X300 XJ6 4.0 sovereign and love this car even more and at 62 years of age it will see me out.
Cost me the same as what I got selling my XF for as a non runner.
BigMon said:
One of mate's has just sold one of a similar vintage and said getting certain spare parts for it now is an utter nightmare. I think the rear subframe was one of them.
Yep, my £500 one was fabricated for me by my mechanics friend. The lead time on the parts from JLR was "I dunno, pal. Months?". Great, but the exhaust hanger has just fallen off, I need a fix sooner than that. Mine got sold as spares or repair the other month. I sorta miss what it was when it worked right, but I don't miss that car in its final year with me.
Quhet said:
Lester H said:
Is it just me ( fellow posters usually respond with a resounding “yes”) or are these beginning to look a bit old?
Yeah, know what you mean. I'm not sure they've aged that well tbh. The horrific colour on this one doesn't do it any favours eitherI wouldn't even touch it with my worst enemy's bargepole. Even if it was free.
I like Jags, but I like them from a distance, with nothing to do with them myself. As an ex Jag owner, and having had an X356 XJ8, I simply wouldn't touch another Jag, which is a crying shame as they have the potential to be great cars, if only they weren't so ruddy unreliable.
I like Jags, but I like them from a distance, with nothing to do with them myself. As an ex Jag owner, and having had an X356 XJ8, I simply wouldn't touch another Jag, which is a crying shame as they have the potential to be great cars, if only they weren't so ruddy unreliable.
EML lights seem to be quite scary to most, but in my experience, they are either something simple, like an o2 sensor, or something utterly untraceable, so you end up sticking a bit of black tape over them 
My last 2 Lexuses (Lexii??) kept chucking the EML light on, then off, then on.....I got bored of reading the codes in the end and put some tape over it.
An EML light isn't always Bork DefCon1
My last 2 Lexuses (Lexii??) kept chucking the EML light on, then off, then on.....I got bored of reading the codes in the end and put some tape over it.
An EML light isn't always Bork DefCon1
Muddle238 said:
I wouldn't even touch it with my worst enemy's bargepole. Even if it was free.
I like Jags, but I like them from a distance, with nothing to do with them myself. As an ex Jag owner, and having had an X356 XJ8, I simply wouldn't touch another Jag, which is a crying shame as they have the potential to be great cars, if only they weren't so ruddy unreliable.
I did 6 years in 3 different S-Types (3.0v6) all bought second hand. I like Jags, but I like them from a distance, with nothing to do with them myself. As an ex Jag owner, and having had an X356 XJ8, I simply wouldn't touch another Jag, which is a crying shame as they have the potential to be great cars, if only they weren't so ruddy unreliable.
Four years in an XK8 4.2 convertible.
Bought a cheap XJ8 (£900) with a mate for a two week European jaunt (wow, was 12 years ago. Time flies!), Left the car in Ibiza.
My ex had an x-type 3.0 estate for three years.
Non-service parts/ tyres:
- fuel pump on one of the S-Types.
- a fix for the convertible roof: flushing out the old fluid which had gone all sticky
- failed window switch on an S-Type. Jag wanted £120, my local guy fixed a dry solder for £5.
- did a preventative gearbox fluid change on the XK8.
That’s it in a total of 13 years of motoring, including commuting, holidays, business travel etc.
jdw100 said:
I did 6 years in 3 different S-Types (3.0v6) all bought second hand.
Four years in an XK8 4.2 convertible.
Bought a cheap XJ8 (£900) with a mate for a two week European jaunt (wow, was 12 years ago. Time flies!), Left the car in Ibiza.
My ex had an x-type 3.0 estate for three years.
Non-service parts/ tyres:
- fuel pump on one of the S-Types.
- a fix for the convertible roof: flushing out the old fluid which had gone all sticky
- failed window switch on an S-Type. Jag wanted £120, my local guy fixed a dry solder for £5.
- did a preventative gearbox fluid change on the XK8.
That’s it in a total of 13 years of motoring, including commuting, holidays, business travel etc.
Similar experience in about 300k+ of driving in Jaguars (in between other cars) over 20 years. Some were shed money, some were new or nearly new, most were somewhere in between. All of them did what counts as BIG miles in the UK, 20k-30k a year. Not a single failure to proceed, only one bill over £1k springs to mind, they were all just "pour in fuel and drive" up to 150k miles+Four years in an XK8 4.2 convertible.
Bought a cheap XJ8 (£900) with a mate for a two week European jaunt (wow, was 12 years ago. Time flies!), Left the car in Ibiza.
My ex had an x-type 3.0 estate for three years.
Non-service parts/ tyres:
- fuel pump on one of the S-Types.
- a fix for the convertible roof: flushing out the old fluid which had gone all sticky
- failed window switch on an S-Type. Jag wanted £120, my local guy fixed a dry solder for £5.
- did a preventative gearbox fluid change on the XK8.
That’s it in a total of 13 years of motoring, including commuting, holidays, business travel etc.
Plenty of people have horrific tales of woe about every manufacturer, but all the objective evidence and the survival rates suggest PAG era Jaguars were decent quality cars. I will agree that when things did go wrong the dealers were pretty awful though.
You forget how drab and cheap looking the interiors of the E60 5 series were and how fisher price the W211 E Class was, these were class leading on that front at launch and for a good few years after, and more than held their own to drive particularly with the 3.0d and 5.0 engines.
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Monday 29th April 15:05
406dogvan said:
I fix these WAY too often and whilst I wouldn't touch most JLR stuff with a bargepole, for XFs it's 2 bargepoles
Biggest issue I see is they like forgetting their key codes, esp the earliest cars with the key slot, this is fixable IF you have 2 or more working keys, if you only have one you're scrapping the car as it's a dealer only repair for a couple of grand.
They're good cars for fish lovers as the boot fills with water and you know where that ends. The Sportbrake is even worse than the saloon for this
The rest of the electrics can be moody too and some cars suffer water ingress above the CJB in the driver's kickpanel which is game over territory on older cars too
They like to rust too, the rear subframe esp, most pre 2010 cars will now be pretty frilly unless it's been sorted.
Then there's that engine, its fine IF it's been maintained properly but who does that on an old Jag and when neglected they just hoover money from your wallet working or not.
You'd have to be mad to buy this unless you like gambles or have a YT channel where your failure can be monetised...
Useful feedback. Shame to hear as I really liked the 2 XFs I had. Biggest issue I see is they like forgetting their key codes, esp the earliest cars with the key slot, this is fixable IF you have 2 or more working keys, if you only have one you're scrapping the car as it's a dealer only repair for a couple of grand.
They're good cars for fish lovers as the boot fills with water and you know where that ends. The Sportbrake is even worse than the saloon for this
The rest of the electrics can be moody too and some cars suffer water ingress above the CJB in the driver's kickpanel which is game over territory on older cars too
They like to rust too, the rear subframe esp, most pre 2010 cars will now be pretty frilly unless it's been sorted.
Then there's that engine, its fine IF it's been maintained properly but who does that on an old Jag and when neglected they just hoover money from your wallet working or not.
You'd have to be mad to buy this unless you like gambles or have a YT channel where your failure can be monetised...
Are Jags worse than any of the other ‘premium’ brands once they’ve got old and baggy?
I’ve only had them as company cars so while I’ve put on loads of miles it’s all been motorway.
blueacid said:
Yep, my £500 one was fabricated for me by my mechanics friend. The lead time on the parts from JLR was "I dunno, pal. Months?". Great, but the exhaust hanger has just fallen off, I need a fix sooner than that.
That's not the subframe, that's the rear crash bar structure. £750 from the dealership if they can get one.Used ones are like hen's teeth because most have turned to rusty crumbles (because they are well hidden and usually beyond saving when they go) and even grotty ones sell for £200-£300.
I got lucky and got a solid used one from Germany for £75. Cleaned up, phosphoric acid dipped, two coats of etching primer and three of chassis black, then the tubes sprayed internally with lanoguard, ready to go on when the one I have eventually goes.
Evercross said:
That's not the subframe, that's the rear crash bar structure. £750 from the dealership if they can get one.
Used ones are like hen's teeth because most have turned to rusty crumbles (because they are well hidden and usually beyond saving when they go) and even grotty ones sell for £200-£300.
I got lucky and got a solid used one from Germany for £75. Cleaned up, phosphoric acid dipped, two coats of etching primer and three of chassis black, then the tubes sprayed internally with lanoguard, ready to go on when the one I have eventually goes.
Ah, happy to be corrected on that one. Yeah, hundreds of pounds but not available. So a new one needed making. Was it to spec? Who knows, it was done by copying what was left of the rust.Used ones are like hen's teeth because most have turned to rusty crumbles (because they are well hidden and usually beyond saving when they go) and even grotty ones sell for £200-£300.
I got lucky and got a solid used one from Germany for £75. Cleaned up, phosphoric acid dipped, two coats of etching primer and three of chassis black, then the tubes sprayed internally with lanoguard, ready to go on when the one I have eventually goes.
I must admit I'm a little startled that parts availability is so poor. I can understand for electrics etc (are the chips in question still made etc), but for a big lump of metal, why wouldn't you ensure that your customers can always buy them from you? Profit is profit.
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