RE: New Toyota Land Cruiser launched in UK 

RE: New Toyota Land Cruiser launched in UK 

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Bernt Tuakrisp

42 posts

201 months

Saturday 27th April
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I’m trying to figure out why the article says they are all already spoken for when ordering hasn’t opened yet? Anyone the wiser? I was expecting ordering to open on line and it be a frenzy like it was in Germany - all sold in less than 30mins

Frankychops

568 posts

10 months

Saturday 27th April
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emix said:
Americans get a far more interesting engine option. A petrol hybrid with 300+ hp, we get this tractor engine. 200 hp is not acceptable in 2024 on such a large vehicle.
The reviews state how effortlessly it pulls from low down. It’s got a very fat and flat torque curve.

Your “200bhp” quote shows that you just don’t get it.

Does anyone know how you order? As I’m registered online but can’t seem to find anywhere to order?

NGK210

2,975 posts

146 months

Saturday 27th April
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Frankychops said:
emix said:
Americans get a far more interesting engine option. A petrol hybrid with 300+ hp, we get this tractor engine. 200 hp is not acceptable in 2024 on such a large vehicle.
The reviews state how effortlessly it pulls from low down. It’s got a very fat and flat torque curve.

Your “200bhp” quote shows that you just don’t get it.
The hybrid produces 465lb-ft; diesel 368lb-ft.
The hybrid is also more fuel efficient.
And it’s less polluting.
And, in turn, it would be future-proofed against low-emission zones for longer compared to the diesel.
Very tin-eared of Toyota to not give Europe a choice. Why?

ducnick

1,800 posts

244 months

Saturday 27th April
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NGK210 said:
Frankychops said:
emix said:
Americans get a far more interesting engine option. A petrol hybrid with 300+ hp, we get this tractor engine. 200 hp is not acceptable in 2024 on such a large vehicle.
The reviews state how effortlessly it pulls from low down. It’s got a very fat and flat torque curve.

Your “200bhp” quote shows that you just don’t get it.
The hybrid produces 465lb-ft; diesel 368lb-ft.
The hybrid is also more fuel efficient.
And it’s less polluting.
And, in turn, it would be future-proofed against low-emission zones for longer compared to the diesel.
Very tin-eared of Toyota to not give Europe a choice. Why?
I suspect they figure they have 4 yrs to max out diesel sales here before they launch the hybrid here. Buyers of the diesel new will be ready to trade in their pcp diesels for the hybrids then. Hence double sales…

Roger Irrelevant

2,950 posts

114 months

Saturday 27th April
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dinsey said:
Sub 50k like rumoured would have bought one.

No chance at 70+.

Would take a defender instead
I keep seeing stuff like this. Given that the (very) old ones in Invincible spec are still selling in no time at all for comfortably north of £60k, and that new car prices generally have gone a bit bonkers over the last few years, who in their right mind thought that the top-of-the-range, completely revamped new one was going to be sub £50k?

D4rez

1,407 posts

57 months

Saturday 27th April
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Roger Irrelevant said:
I keep seeing stuff like this. Given that the (very) old ones in Invincible spec are still selling in no time at all for comfortably north of £60k, and that new car prices generally have gone a bit bonkers over the last few years, who in their right mind thought that the top-of-the-range, completely revamped new one was going to be sub £50k?
People who are in denial about their place in the wealth spectrum I would imagine. Same group who think a 6+ cylinder sports car is still around £40k

Frankychops

568 posts

10 months

Saturday 27th April
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People also seem to forget just how well these retain value.

Look at the percentage drop vs a defender/discovery etc.

Also this is top of the range spec, there will be cheaper versions.

They also cost less than competitors spec for spec

Baldchap

7,697 posts

93 months

Sunday 28th April
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I called the diesel out as too slow in the modern world. I was told making it fast would add too much weight and ruin the product. I pointed to the V8 already available, just not here. I was told the diesel was the best engine known to man and if you wanted more pace you were an idiot.

I'm clearly an idiot.

D4rez

1,407 posts

57 months

Sunday 28th April
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Baldchap said:
I called the diesel out as too slow in the modern world. I was told making it fast would add too much weight and ruin the product. I pointed to the V8 already available, just not here. I was told the diesel was the best engine known to man and if you wanted more pace you were an idiot.

I'm clearly an idiot.
Point is - they can’t sell that engine here

Racer27

30 posts

115 months

Sunday 28th April
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What a great car. It's a shame that at £75k and only a 4 pot motor they probably won't sell many.

Frankychops

568 posts

10 months

Sunday 28th April
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Racer27 said:
What a great car. It's a shame that at £75k and only a 4 pot motor they probably won't sell many.
Do you want to place a bet on that?


NGK210

2,975 posts

146 months

Sunday 28th April
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D4rez said:
Baldchap said:
I called the diesel out as too slow in the modern world. I was told making it fast would add too much weight and ruin the product. I pointed to the V8 already available, just not here. I was told the diesel was the best engine known to man and if you wanted more pace you were an idiot.

I'm clearly an idiot.
Point is - they can’t sell that engine here
The V8 is no more, in any territory.

The current ‘big beast’ Land Cruiser is the 300, which now has either a petrol or diesel V6 twin turbo.

IIRC, it’s only on sale in Oz, Japan and the Middle East? (Withdrawn from Russia because of Ukraine?)

The version we’re getting in Europe is the smaller 250 / Prado.

The 250 variant with useful grunt has a petrol 4-cyl turbo hybrid, and it’s only avlbl in the US.

The US also gets a Lexus version of the 250, the GX550, which has a petrol V6 twin turbo.
smile

blasos

347 posts

163 months

Sunday 28th April
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rwindmill said:
Hmmmmm, take a Landrover Defender, some tracing paper and.......................voila!!

The KIA EV9 is the same.

It would appear that all the design houses in the world, have had every piece of equipment stolen from their studios, with the exception of a ruler and a pencil.
The KIA EV9 looks nothing like the Defender, thankfully. In fact, it looks orders of magnitude better.

NomduJour

19,156 posts

260 months

Sunday 28th April
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The EV9 looks awful and will be dated by this time next year.

SpadeBrigade

661 posts

140 months

Sunday 28th April
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I like this a lot, great piece of design.

As much as I am a big fan of Land Rover / Range Rover’s design language, it’s almost a certainty that this will be more reliable and can be insured, which is probably quite useful.

biggbn

23,505 posts

221 months

Sunday 28th April
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NomduJour said:
The EV9 looks awful and will be dated by this time next year.
Love the EV9, and the new Hyundai Santa Fe, wonderful piece of crisp design, almost utilitarian chic vibe about them but, each to their own.

Frankychops

568 posts

10 months

Sunday 28th April
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NGK210 said:
Frankychops said:
emix said:
Americans get a far more interesting engine option. A petrol hybrid with 300+ hp, we get this tractor engine. 200 hp is not acceptable in 2024 on such a large vehicle.
The reviews state how effortlessly it pulls from low down. It’s got a very fat and flat torque curve.

Your “200bhp” quote shows that you just don’t get it.
The hybrid produces 465lb-ft; diesel 368lb-ft.
The hybrid is also more fuel efficient.
And it’s less polluting.
And, in turn, it would be future-proofed against low-emission zones for longer compared to the diesel.
Very tin-eared of Toyota to not give Europe a choice. Why?
difference being the fact the diesel does it none stop for 10 years.

LimaDelta

6,533 posts

219 months

Monday 29th April
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Bernt Tuakrisp said:
I’m trying to figure out why the article says they are all already spoken for when ordering hasn’t opened yet? Anyone the wiser? I was expecting ordering to open on line and it be a frenzy like it was in Germany - all sold in less than 30mins
Yeah, I'd be keen to know too, as I'm registered online, and with two dealers, and am a current LC owner, so would have expected to have had a little more 'official' news by now, rather than relying on YouTube and the rumours in the motoring press.

NGK210

2,975 posts

146 months

Monday 29th April
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Frankychops said:
NGK210 said:
Frankychops said:
emix said:
Americans get a far more interesting engine option. A petrol hybrid with 300+ hp, we get this tractor engine. 200 hp is not acceptable in 2024 on such a large vehicle.
The reviews state how effortlessly it pulls from low down. It’s got a very fat and flat torque curve.

Your “200bhp” quote shows that you just don’t get it.
The hybrid produces 465lb-ft; diesel 368lb-ft.
The hybrid is also more fuel efficient.
And it’s less polluting.
And, in turn, it would be future-proofed against low-emission zones for longer compared to the diesel.
Very tin-eared of Toyota to not give Europe a choice. Why?
difference being the fact the diesel does it none stop for 10 years.
Huh?? What does it do "none [sic] stop for 10 years"?
confused

orbit123

243 posts

193 months

Monday 29th April
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Bernt Tuakrisp said:
I’m trying to figure out why the article says they are all already spoken for when ordering hasn’t opened yet? Anyone the wiser? I was expecting ordering to open on line and it be a frenzy like it was in Germany - all sold in less than 30mins
I don't understand this either. It doesn't seem possible to order one yet. Way it worked in Germany seemed relatively fair and clear.