EVs... no one wants them!
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Fastdruid said:
It's all relative.
All cars, even JLR's are reliable. The difference is all in a few % (and how much the repairs cost).
Toyota are pretty much the most reliable make...yet a few unlucky people will have them break down.
Land Rover are pretty much the most unreliable...yet most people will still never have a single failure.
The difference is in the estimated (average) repair and maintenance costs over ten years - what on average you would expect it to cost you.All cars, even JLR's are reliable. The difference is all in a few % (and how much the repairs cost).
Toyota are pretty much the most reliable make...yet a few unlucky people will have them break down.
Land Rover are pretty much the most unreliable...yet most people will still never have a single failure.
cj2013 said:
Dave200 said:
A study of cars up to 10 years old in the USA has found that Tesla has by far the lowest maintenance and repair costs of any brand (almost 20% lower than its nearest rival). I thought they were supposed to be really unreliable?
https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/tesla-lowest-mainte...
Is it not more that they are considered to have 'poor build quality' than being 'unreliable'?https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/tesla-lowest-mainte...
Edited by _Hoppers on Tuesday 23 April 15:03
otolith said:
Fastdruid said:
It's all relative.
All cars, even JLR's are reliable. The difference is all in a few % (and how much the repairs cost).
Toyota are pretty much the most reliable make...yet a few unlucky people will have them break down.
Land Rover are pretty much the most unreliable...yet most people will still never have a single failure.
The difference is in the estimated (average) repair and maintenance costs over ten years - what on average you would expect it to cost you.All cars, even JLR's are reliable. The difference is all in a few % (and how much the repairs cost).
Toyota are pretty much the most reliable make...yet a few unlucky people will have them break down.
Land Rover are pretty much the most unreliable...yet most people will still never have a single failure.
_Hoppers said:
cj2013 said:
Dave200 said:
A study of cars up to 10 years old in the USA has found that Tesla has by far the lowest maintenance and repair costs of any brand (almost 20% lower than its nearest rival). I thought they were supposed to be really unreliable?
https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/tesla-lowest-mainte...
Is it not more that they are considered to have 'poor build quality' than being 'unreliable'?https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/tesla-lowest-mainte...
Edited by _Hoppers on Tuesday 23 April 15:03
Had an interior trim rattle fixed whilst the car was at a SC last August - a clip had come lose. The build quality for a Freemont produced car was on par with anything I've had previously from Volvo, VW, etc. No seat or steering wheel wear.
Issues fixed under warranty were: O/S front indicator failed, so they replaced the unit. The gearbox gasket was seeping near the oil pump, so this was replaced along with a new pump back in September last year.
One set of MPS4s after 24000 miles.
Recalls: Upper Suspension arms - replaced at a SC when having a 2 year 'service'
Maracus said:
_Hoppers said:
cj2013 said:
Dave200 said:
A study of cars up to 10 years old in the USA has found that Tesla has by far the lowest maintenance and repair costs of any brand (almost 20% lower than its nearest rival). I thought they were supposed to be really unreliable?
https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/tesla-lowest-mainte...
Is it not more that they are considered to have 'poor build quality' than being 'unreliable'?https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/tesla-lowest-mainte...
Edited by _Hoppers on Tuesday 23 April 15:03
trumpton7291 said:
braddo said:
nickfrog said:
Mr Clark at it again. I am now convinced he is on PH too. The tone, the language, the persecution complex, the binary thinking, the intellectual dishonesty, the bitterness...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/22/evs-ar...
It feels like the only reason for the Telegraph's existence is to whip old white men into a miserable frenzy. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/22/evs-ar...
It sounds like you're one of those old white men. Do you believe that your views are representative of the middle ground of UK cultural and political viewpoints?
listened to a podcast today likening the transition to electrification, including EVs, as like getting a child ready to go somewhere they really dont mind being, and even like to be. just that it's a right old rigmarole/ tantrum fest getting them to get up, brush teeth, get changed, get anything they need together, etc….. but once they're there it's all smiles and laughter.
plfrench said:
You do get the benefit of nice wide spaces so far less likely to get car park dings too 
Always wondered about this, why are the charging spaces wider than the plebs' spaces?Maybe so the doors don't touch when you get out, because that would start a cross-vehicle current flow, and both cars would instantly burn up?
M4cruiser said:
Always wondered about this, why are the charging spaces wider than the plebs' spaces?
Maybe so the doors don't touch when you get out, because that would start a cross-vehicle current flow, and both cars would instantly burn up?
Absolutely that. When an electric car is plugged in you can't touch it or you will be instantly burnt to a frazzle.Maybe so the doors don't touch when you get out, because that would start a cross-vehicle current flow, and both cars would instantly burn up?
It's why wireless keyboards on PCs are now so popular. In the old days so many people would get electrocuted.
You won't find it on google though as big tech cover-up, obvs
M4cruiser said:
Always wondered about this, why are the charging spaces wider than the plebs' spaces?
Maybe so the doors don't touch when you get out, because that would start a cross-vehicle current flow, and both cars would instantly burn up?
I honestly can't identify if these posts are stupidity or satireMaybe so the doors don't touch when you get out, because that would start a cross-vehicle current flow, and both cars would instantly burn up?
Maracus said:
_Hoppers said:
cj2013 said:
Dave200 said:
A study of cars up to 10 years old in the USA has found that Tesla has by far the lowest maintenance and repair costs of any brand (almost 20% lower than its nearest rival). I thought they were supposed to be really unreliable?
https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/tesla-lowest-mainte...
Is it not more that they are considered to have 'poor build quality' than being 'unreliable'?https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/tesla-lowest-mainte...
Edited by _Hoppers on Tuesday 23 April 15:03
Had an interior trim rattle fixed whilst the car was at a SC last August - a clip had come lose. The build quality for a Freemont produced car was on par with anything I've had previously from Volvo, VW, etc. No seat or steering wheel wear.
Issues fixed under warranty were: O/S front indicator failed, so they replaced the unit. The gearbox gasket was seeping near the oil pump, so this was replaced along with a new pump back in September last year.
One set of MPS4s after 24000 miles.
Recalls: Upper Suspension arms - replaced at a SC when having a 2 year 'service'
Both sets of driveshafts were done to stop a grinding sound on full bore acceleration - that was never fixed.
Air con compressor was done to stop it being the loudest buzziest Tesla at the Superchargers - that was never fixed - I thought it was just a vibration somewhere but Elon said no.
Front struts were done to stop a squeaking/creaking on speed bumps etc - that was never fixed - my guess was dry top mounts but they refused to grease them because Elon/their AI service system didn't suggest it.
The headlight was because the sidelight flourescent tube had lost it's brightness - the only option is a £1200 complete unit instead of a new bulb.
Other than that, bloody perfect.
Interestingly I kind of didn’t feel that much love for my BMW i3S until it came to service time and BMW gave me a MY24 118i M Sport thing with DCT gearbox and all the tech. The 118i was a good car with good tech and all that but dynamically it was miles off the i3.
I didn’t expect to be looking forward to getting back into the i3, a 10 year old design. Perhaps it was ahead of its time.
I didn’t expect to be looking forward to getting back into the i3, a 10 year old design. Perhaps it was ahead of its time.
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