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TheHeretic
69,452 posts
125 months
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woof said: Comes over a crest of a hill, and discovers a car in the way, and loses control trying to avoid. It's a bad crash, but I don't think he was going any faster than anyone else, he just had the misfortune of a car directly in his path after a blind crest.
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Fonz
152 posts
54 months
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Red flag is already out and the yellow flag is at the top of the crest. No excuses.
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Allyc85
3,756 posts
56 months
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Today was quite clearly a racing incident where he lost the back end while defending his position and was just unlucky.
Valencia he should have rejoined the track in a safer manner and waited for the next chance to pass a struggling Hamilton.
Monaco and Spa were completely different though and hitting someone on purpose is worthy of a ban IMO.
I do seem to remember that in the year he won the GP2 championship he was great at the races he lead from the front, but had quite a few incidents when getting through the pack.
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another 3 points
481 posts
67 months
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TheHeretic said: CivicMan said: woof said: He is a dangerous driver. He's got a real problem with his aggression and quite frankly should of gotten a race ban for driving into Perez. Let's not forget he did the same thing to Lewis in Spa last year. Agreed. Seriously? A race ban for the collision with Perez? On what grounds? Chance to try out new career in Banger Racing.
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TheHeretic
69,452 posts
125 months
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Fonz said: Red flag is already out and the yellow flag is at the top of the crest. No excuses. Yup, but as I said, he comes over the crest and the car is across the circuit. He doesn't seem to be going that fast to me.
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woof
6,989 posts
147 months
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TheHeretic said: woof said: Comes over a crest of a hill, and discovers a car in the way, and loses control trying to avoid. It's a bad crash, but I don't think he was going any faster than anyone else, he just had the misfortune of a car directly in his path after a blind crest. Apart from the flags that waving yellow and red - before the crest. But regardless he's a driver who has had and caused a lot of accidents. I saw that someone said he brought 27million to Williams this year !
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PW
1,805 posts
109 months
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TheHeretic said: what did Mal do wrong then? It was a practice session. He deliberately and aggressively tried to make a "point" about being held up - which cost him NOTHING in a practice session - and hit another car. He was trying to get "revenge" and used his car as a weapon to do it, just the same as Spa - absolutely unacceptable.
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Gaz.
47,315 posts
121 months
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TheHeretic said: Yup, but as I said, he comes over the crest and the car is across the circuit. He doesn't seem to be going that fast to me. Seriously Andy, how on earth can you defend someone crashing during a red flag?
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Crafty_
4,766 posts
70 months
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TheHeretic said: Yup, but as I said, he comes over the crest and the car is across the circuit. He doesn't seem to be going that fast to me. He's going faster than the car before and after him. In any case its utterly reckless to be doing that sort of speed against a waved yellow/red approaching a blind crest.
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TheHeretic
69,452 posts
125 months
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Gaz. said: Seriously Andy, how on earth can you defend someone crashing during a red flag? I'm not defending him. I'm just saying what I see, nothing more. Last year was Massa bashing year, and I think this year will be Maldonado bashing year. The reactions to the incident today over what was a simple racing incident is an example of the overreaction some folks have to their 'enemy' when they do something like that. Bringing up incidents from 3 years ago add nothing to the event today. Still, someone posted it, and I respo des. He comes over a seeming blind crest, and takes avoiding action, with unfortunate consequences, but I don't see it as anything else. It was a red flag incident, he wasn't trying to gain places, or race anyone. It was a mistake. The way some people are talking, and calling him thug, cock, prick, and so on in various threads, you would think that he is some psychopath. As I said, he should have received a ban in spa last year, but no other incident, certainly not in F1 has merited the hatred towards him. Frankly, after the Massa abuse in recent times, I am getting a bit fed up of the torrents that come out at times. I'm not loyal to any single driver. I have the bunch I like, but I like to think I am impartial enough not to come to rash decisions.
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chrisobrien54
308 posts
67 months
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It doesn't help that the kid looks like a pantomime villain. Pretty he ain't.
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woof
6,989 posts
147 months
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Stewards agree he was in the wrong.
Pastor Maldonado was handed a 10,000 Euro fine and given a reprimand by the race stewards for his part in a collision
Of course that's peanuts to him but it's also a reprimand. Not sure if there's a points system as per the MSA ?
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hornetrider
41,175 posts
75 months
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Gaz. said: Seriously Andy, how on earth can you defend someone crashing during a red flag? Because he loves a good old Internet argument.
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Mojocvh
12,906 posts
132 months
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TheHeretic said: Gaz. said: Seriously Andy, how on earth can you defend someone crashing during a red flag? I'm not defending him. I'm just saying what I see, nothing more. Last year was Massa bashing year, and I think this year will be Maldonado bashing year. The reactions to the incident today over what was a simple racing incident is an example of the overreaction some folks have to their 'enemy' when they do something like that. Bringing up incidents from 3 years ago add nothing to the event today. Still, someone posted it, and I respo des. He comes over a seeming blind crest, and takes avoiding action, with unfortunate consequences, but I don't see it as anything else. It was a red flag incident, he wasn't trying to gain places, or race anyone. It was a mistake. The way some people are talking, and calling him thug, cock, prick, and so on in various threads, you would think that he is some psychopath. As I said, he should have received a ban in spa last year, but no other incident, certainly not in F1 has merited the hatred towards him. Frankly, after the Massa abuse in recent times, I am getting a bit fed up of the torrents that come out at times. I'm not loyal to any single driver. I have the bunch I like, but I like to think I am impartial enough not to come to rash decisions. He was banned...for life..so how come he's such a HERO of yours 
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Mojocvh
12,906 posts
132 months
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Gaz. said: Marf said: Gaz. said: Should never have been granted a super licence after breaking that marshall's leg in Monaco 2005, for which he received a lifetime ban (since overturned) from the principality. http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/pastor-maldonado/ He broke the guy's back, not his leg. I wasn't sure which so went with the less dramatic option. yeah what's a lifetime of immobility amongst mates.
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Gaz.
47,315 posts
121 months
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Mojocvh said: Gaz. said: Marf said: Gaz. said: Should never have been granted a super licence after breaking that marshall's leg in Monaco 2005, for which he received a lifetime ban (since overturned) from the principality. http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/pastor-maldonado/ He broke the guy's back, not his leg. I wasn't sure which so went with the less dramatic option. yeah what's a lifetime of immobility amongst mates. I had assumed you'd know what I meant by that but obviously I didn't make myself clear enough.
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Gene Vincent
4,002 posts
28 months
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Sennas ruthlessness but without his charm and looks... and possibly talent.
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Mojocvh
12,906 posts
132 months
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Gaz. said: I had assumed you'd know what I meant by that but obviously I didn't make myself clear enough. Gaz, what is your position at Haymarket and what sub forums on PH do you moderate on? cheers Mo.
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Mojocvh
12,906 posts
132 months
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Gene Vincent said: Sennas ruthlessness but without his charm and looks... and possibly talent. Perfect summation IMO.
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TheHeretic
69,452 posts
125 months
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Mojocvh said: He was banned...for life..so how come he's such a HERO of yours Who mentioned Hero. I gave my opinion. I haven't even talked about the incident of the banning. Someone else posted the video we are talking about, not I. If in doubt, make stuff up?
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