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mollytherocker
6,897 posts
78 months
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Wow, I cant believe how ugly this has got. Bizarre.
MTR
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J-P
2,488 posts
75 months
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mollytherocker said: Wow, I cant believe how ugly this has got. Bizarre.
MTR I know. It's really odd that people are so intolerant of other people's point of view. A kind of "I'm right, you're wrong" or "you're not qualified to comment" attitude. In the context of a 991 GT3 this is particularly weird as the entire topic is pure speculation! It's a shame really, there's fundamentally nothing wrong with somebody not agreeing with you, there's absolutely no need to let it degrade into a personal attack (even if it is entertaining in a soap opera kind of way). PDK vs. Manual seems to ignite this passion for argument more than just about anything else. I recall somebody here telling me that I prefer PDK to manual even though I'd just confirmed the opposite - strange!
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Dr JonboyG
1,972 posts
108 months
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mollytherocker said: The manual box will be dead in about 5 years and that will be that! RIP.  MTR While I don't really disagree, I can easily imagine the same argument being made by a bunch of greybeards about the availability of synchromesh gearboxes everywhere and how these modern boxes just add weight and cost and subtract fun.
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Dr JonboyG
1,972 posts
108 months
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Phooey said: slightly o/t from the 'PDK' discussion', has there been any confirmation / talk that the 991 GT3 engine will have a dry sump? Am i right in thinking the 991 currently has a semi-dry sump, but for heavy track work (or race) a 'true' dry sump like on the Mezger is preferred? They'll have to have a homologated dry sump engine for GT racing, so it's probably safe to assume there will be one.
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SonnyM
2,679 posts
62 months
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Dr JonboyG said: Phooey said: slightly o/t from the 'PDK' discussion', has there been any confirmation / talk that the 991 GT3 engine will have a dry sump? Am i right in thinking the 991 currently has a semi-dry sump, but for heavy track work (or race) a 'true' dry sump like on the Mezger is preferred? They'll have to have a homologated dry sump engine for GT racing, so it's probably safe to assume there will be one. The rumour floating around is the 991 GT3 will have the cheaper wet sump block and the GT3 RS will still have the dry sump engine... There will have to be homogelation of some sort so it could be true! As for PDK vs Manual ( not that old chestnut FFS)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUO7tRvYfQ0&fea...Enjoy ;-)
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fioran0
1,388 posts
41 months
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Porsche must be loving this, if one was more cynical you might say well played to them. There's a new GT3 about to come out that at the moment looks like it might just be a C2S in all but name, coupled to abysmal electro mechanical steering however all the talk is about PDK boxes and not about any of the important stuff. New car will be announced with manual box while offering PDK as an option ensuring everyone is happy, it's amazing stats will ensure full orders and the smokescreen will have worked wonderfully  (everyone, you can now remove foil hats)
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mollytherocker
6,897 posts
78 months
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There can be no doubt that they are playing with us, I agree. I reckon there is an element of testing the water though too.
I agree with you that they will offer both gearboxes, it is the smartest thing to do from a sales pont of view.
I just hope that its a GT3 and not a Carrera S+.
MTR
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betternotbigger
994 posts
44 months
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mollytherocker said: There can be no doubt that they are playing with us, I agree. I reckon there is an element of testing the water though too.
I agree with you that they will offer both gearboxes, it is the smartest thing to do from a sales pont of view.
I just hope that its a GT3 and not a Carrera S+.
MTR I believe it will be (a genuine 3er). Porsche can't have been deaf to the criticism that the 991 is too GT. And they'll want to show they can still cut it at the other end of the spectrum. Think 996 and all the stick they got, which was roundly silenced by the epic 996 GT3 Mk1.
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cmoose
18,599 posts
98 months
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betternotbigger said: I believe it will be (a genuine 3er). Porsche can't have been deaf to the criticism that the 991 is too GT. And they'll want to show they can still cut it at the other end of the spectrum. Think 996 and all the stick they got, which was roundly silenced by the epic 996 GT3 Mk1. Hmm, I very much doubt reaction to the 991 can factor beyond fine tuning. They will have decided the basis of the engine, I would have thought, long before the first 991 reviews came in. At a guess, perhaps they have a little more flexibility re the gearbox options. But I can't see that reaction to the 991 Carrera is going to inform something like the basic architecture of the engine. That will surely have been decided upon and set in stone a while ago.
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betternotbigger
994 posts
44 months
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cmoose said: Hmm, I very much doubt reaction to the 991 can factor beyond fine tuning. They will have decided the basis of the engine, I would have thought, long before the first 991 reviews came in.
At a guess, perhaps they have a little more flexibility re the gearbox options. But I can't see that reaction to the 991 Carrera is going to inform something like the basic architecture of the engine. That will surely have been decided upon and set in stone a while ago. Yes it will. They will have decided to make it effing fantastic. You can't dump the Mezger and replace it with any old engine. But steering. suspension and tranny can be fettled in the later stages of development.
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ChrisW.
1,524 posts
124 months
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Porsche need as much feedback as possible --- but this must be qualified.
Taking user opinion of the latest Cayman R in track use with / without the PDK has real value.
Has anybody seen an oil starved Gen2 DDI engine ?
Track use is not excluded from any car and the extended warranty is the same for all --- they can't be too worried about "normal use".
Why isn't anybody asking about noisy wheel bearings, cooked brakes, buckled wheels, overheated dampers ?
Probably because this also is not an issue. Just buy the warranty, and service the car well !
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Phooey
Original Poster
6,102 posts
38 months
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Mermaid
12,492 posts
40 months
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Phooey said: And why wouldn't they - time to move on, will result in quite a few manual GT3's available for sale as soon as the PDK car is available. Th future is PDK.
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Phooey
Original Poster
6,102 posts
38 months
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Mermaid said: The future is PDK. I agree on that bit. I also have a feeling, if 991 PDK only, it will make the manual 996/997 GT3's VERY sought after, and probably worthwhile tucking one away in the garage and locking the door for 10 years.
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Mermaid
12,492 posts
40 months
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Phooey said: if 991 PDK only, it will make the manual 996/997 GT3's VERY sought after, and probably worthwhile tucking one away in the garage and locking the door for 10 years. Sort of agree, but the market for such cars is quite small overall, and rather than appreciate I expect there will be a floor on the value of the manual cars. The PDK car will be blisteringly quick on track, and so many current GT3 fans will migrate to the new car.
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nsm3
1,854 posts
65 months
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Mermaid
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40 months
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Ian_UK1
1,034 posts
63 months
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nsm3 said: The rich ones may? Good point - I can't afford a used 997 GT3 at the moment - much as I'd like to bag a low-mileage manual GT3 before they only make PDK ones. I hate recession-induced skint!
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Dr S
3,216 posts
95 months
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I hope they can engineer a bit more "Mezgerness" into the engine note...
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ChrisW.
1,524 posts
124 months
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Phooey said: It sounded faster than that ... it sounded .3s to me ... unless you have real numbers 
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