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Mr E
14,145 posts
128 months
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Womaniser said: Why do people velcro plates on, that's gotta' be dangerous! I can imagine you're travelling at around 70MPH and the turbulence rips the plate off and over/under your car. Nothing nicer than having a number plate smash into your windscreen!  I've never heard of that happening, and I'd rather lose a plate than damage a clamshell...
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Womaniser
310 posts
37 months
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Mr E said: Womaniser said: Why do people velcro plates on, that's gotta' be dangerous! I can imagine you're travelling at around 70MPH and the turbulence rips the plate off and over/under your car. Nothing nicer than having a number plate smash into your windscreen! I've never heard of that happening, and I'd rather lose a plate than damage a clamshell... So what happens when the plate flips up, hits the bonnet, then the windscreen and boot area, finally ending up doing the same to the car behind? Nice.
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pete.g
555 posts
75 months
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Apart from that, I don't see how they could enforce a French law on UK cars that are not registered in France?
They can while the car is in France, just the same as a French car in the UK has to comply with our laws on roadworthiness. Hence the need for high-vis jacket in the car, etc, while driving in France.
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Silent1
17,601 posts
104 months
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Womaniser said: Mr E said: Womaniser said: Why do people velcro plates on, that's gotta' be dangerous! I can imagine you're travelling at around 70MPH and the turbulence rips the plate off and over/under your car. Nothing nicer than having a number plate smash into your windscreen! I've never heard of that happening, and I'd rather lose a plate than damage a clamshell... So what happens when the plate flips up, hits the bonnet, then the windscreen and boot area, finally ending up doing the same to the car behind? Nice. Best we ought to ban anything else attached to a car in case it came off, like spoilers, convertible roofs and wingmirrors. Or how about the method of attachment is stronger than the forces trying to remove it when being driven?
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Womaniser
310 posts
37 months
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Silent1 said: Womaniser said: Mr E said: Womaniser said: Why do people velcro plates on, that's gotta' be dangerous! I can imagine you're travelling at around 70MPH and the turbulence rips the plate off and over/under your car. Nothing nicer than having a number plate smash into your windscreen! I've never heard of that happening, and I'd rather lose a plate than damage a clamshell... So what happens when the plate flips up, hits the bonnet, then the windscreen and boot area, finally ending up doing the same to the car behind? Nice. Best we ought to ban anything else attached to a car in case it came off, like spoilers, convertible roofs and wingmirrors. Or how about the method of attachment is stronger than the forces trying to remove it when being driven? That's a daft reply. Spoilers/roofs/wing mirrors are all attached with screws/bolts etc. Not some fluffy piece of sticky material!
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Silent1
17,601 posts
104 months
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Womaniser said: Silent1 said: Womaniser said: Mr E said: Womaniser said: Why do people velcro plates on, that's gotta' be dangerous! I can imagine you're travelling at around 70MPH and the turbulence rips the plate off and over/under your car. Nothing nicer than having a number plate smash into your windscreen! I've never heard of that happening, and I'd rather lose a plate than damage a clamshell... So what happens when the plate flips up, hits the bonnet, then the windscreen and boot area, finally ending up doing the same to the car behind? Nice. Best we ought to ban anything else attached to a car in case it came off, like spoilers, convertible roofs and wingmirrors. Or how about the method of attachment is stronger than the forces trying to remove it when being driven? That's a daft reply. Spoilers/roofs/wing mirrors are all attached with screws/bolts etc. Not some fluffy piece of sticky material! Velco is more than capable of holding a numberplate on, it's not all wimpy stuff, the stuff i've got is almost impossible to pull apart. But anyway, what would i know it's not like i've ever driven quickly with a numberplate attached only with velcro.
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Tino
1,869 posts
152 months
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Womaniser said: Mr E said: Womaniser said: Why do people velcro plates on, that's gotta' be dangerous! I can imagine you're travelling at around 70MPH and the turbulence rips the plate off and over/under your car. Nothing nicer than having a number plate smash into your windscreen! I've never heard of that happening, and I'd rather lose a plate than damage a clamshell... So what happens when the plate flips up, hits the bonnet, then the windscreen and boot area, finally ending up doing the same to the car behind? Nice. At least you'll have the reg no of the cr it came off
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seapod
61 posts
68 months
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Regarding velcro - when not hooning about I race yachts. The mainsail on a racing yacht is held onto the end of the boom with a velcro strap. On the boat that I currently sail the velcro has a working load of over 7 tonnes with peak loads into double figures. A mere draught caused by driving along at say, 150mph, should be no cause for concern. Used correctly the velcro will not come apart. Clearly, you need to make sure your velcro is securely atttached to the plate/car however!
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TB993tt
1,079 posts
110 months
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l8lue said: I've got a 993RS with stuck on cut down, but legal size plastic plates. I logged on as usual through the Porsche section and didn't think about going elsewhere (is there a VX220 bit?)
The post was just to be a helpful warning and you can add stick on dummy screw heads to the other big list of "touring" parts you may need when going east of Dover! I was just being a t  t, its all useful info 
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sleep envy
59,337 posts
118 months
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Womaniser said: Mr E said: Womaniser said: Why do people velcro plates on, that's gotta' be dangerous! I can imagine you're travelling at around 70MPH and the turbulence rips the plate off and over/under your car. Nothing nicer than having a number plate smash into your windscreen! I've never heard of that happening, and I'd rather lose a plate than damage a clamshell... So what happens when the plate flips up, hits the bonnet, then the windscreen and boot area, finally ending up doing the same to the car behind? Nice. I only velcro the plates onto my cars and having Vmax'd all of them I've yet to have a failure like this happen. Living your life in a 'what if?' way can be rather dull.
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TonyHetherington
30,907 posts
119 months
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I've done 150mph in a velcro'd front numberplated car, and it was absolutely fine. If anything, it pushed it on harder :hehE:
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rlw
2,176 posts
106 months
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pete.g said: benny.c said: Apart from that, I don't see how they could enforce a French law on UK cars that are not registered in France?
They can while the car is in France, just the same as a French car in the UK has to comply with our laws on roadworthiness. Hence the need for high-vis jacket in the car, etc, while driving in France. On that basis then, we should all have yellow headlights when we drive in France, and the French should convert to white headlights the moment they leave France. Wrong I'm afraid. My understanding of it is that a vehicle must conform to its own countries construction and use laws and that will be adequate to comply in any EU country visited temporarily. Rivetted on plates is a requirement of French law only and cannot be imposed on vehicles registered outside its jurisdiction. And its means rivets too; screws and sticky tape, nails and glue are all illegal on a French registered car I believe. Other laws such as using seatbelts, high-viz jackets, spare pair of glasses, first aid kit, carrying documents etc are enforceable as they are not construction and use but specific motoring law. In essence, France will have to have a law that says it is illegal to drive in France without your number plates being rivetted on. They don't, so tell Le Plod to mind their own, politely of course.
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Mr E
14,145 posts
128 months
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Womaniser said: Mr E said: Womaniser said: Why do people velcro plates on, that's gotta' be dangerous! I can imagine you're travelling at around 70MPH and the turbulence rips the plate off and over/under your car. Nothing nicer than having a number plate smash into your windscreen! I've never heard of that happening, and I'd rather lose a plate than damage a clamshell... So what happens when the plate flips up, hits the bonnet, then the windscreen and boot area, finally ending up doing the same to the car behind? Nice. If it fails, it's going under the car, not over it. I estimate the damage it will do hitting the floor and being run over at about zero.
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benny.c
2,062 posts
76 months
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pete.g said: They can while the car is in France, just the same as a French car in the UK has to comply with our laws on roadworthiness. Hence the need for high-vis jacket in the car, etc, while driving in France. As I understand it, French cars only need an CT (MOT) every two years. Does that mean our coppers should book every Frenchman that has a car that is more than 12 months from it's last CT to match our standards of roadworthiness. Similarly, does that mean one should only drive a UK car with officially approved modifications in Germany, as per their TUEV? The high-vis, bulbs etc is common sense. This number plate thing sounds like a way of getting back at the Brits who tear-arse through France every summer.
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TB993tt
1,079 posts
110 months
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benny.c said: . Similarly, does that mean one should only drive a UK car with officially approved modifications in Germany, as per their TUEV? I haven't been stopped but have been told that the German Police do indeed impound cars which have non TUV bits on them. Jan at Manthey (Porsche related  ) said that they hang around the ring and pull up cars with non TUV bits - to be fair he said this in sour grapes when he was being ultra critical of my non TUV Dymags which made their own overpriced BBS offerings look a little old fashioned 
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pete.g
555 posts
75 months
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benny.c said: pete.g said: They can while the car is in France, just the same as a French car in the UK has to comply with our laws on roadworthiness. Hence the need for high-vis jacket in the car, etc, while driving in France. As I understand it, French cars only need an CT (MOT) every two years. Does that mean our coppers should book every Frenchman that has a car that is more than 12 months from it's last CT to match our standards of roadworthiness. Similarly, does that mean one should only drive a UK car with officially approved modifications in Germany, as per their TUEV? The high-vis, bulbs etc is common sense. This number plate thing sounds like a way of getting back at the Brits who tear-arse through France every summer. I think you're quite correct that it's a way of annoying British motorists and that it's petty and vindictive, etc. I don't think your MOT point is valid - "standards of roadworthiness" is what I said and I'd stand by that. As an e.g: If a foreign registered car being driven in UK has a tyre which the police measure as below our tread limit, then that's an offence, even if the tread limit in the car's home country is different.
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White LotusExcel
27 posts
35 months
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 just go to B&Q and get some grey things that look like rivet heads and stick um on with silicon, then when ur on da ferry or train whipp um off and fick um at the frenchie 
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White LotusExcel
27 posts
35 months
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pete.g said: benny.c said: pete.g said: They can while the car is in France, just the same as a French car in the UK has to comply with our laws on roadworthiness. Hence the need for high-vis jacket in the car, etc, while driving in France. As I understand it, French cars only need an CT (MOT) every two years. Does that mean our coppers should book every Frenchman that has a car that is more than 12 months from it's last CT to match our standards of roadworthiness. Similarly, does that mean one should only drive a UK car with officially approved modifications in Germany, as per their TUEV? The high-vis, bulbs etc is common sense. This number plate thing sounds like a way of getting back at the Brits who tear-arse through France every summer. I think you're quite correct that it's a way of annoying British motorists and that it's petty and vindictive, etc. I don't think your MOT point is valid - "standards of roadworthiness" is what I said and I'd stand by that. As an e.g: If a foreign registered car being driven in UK has a tyre which the police measure as below our tread limit, then that's an offence, even if the tread limit in the car's home country is different. A CT or a MOT is only valid at the time of test, once you leave the testing site your on ya own,
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White LotusExcel
27 posts
35 months
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l8lue said: Came back via Eurotunnel yesterday and met a group of VX220's back from LeMans track day. They were being done by LePlod for not having their front numberplates fixed by "rivets". I am told this followed an earlier incident when one of their group allegedly exceeded the 30KPH limit leaving a payage into the parking area. This is all news to me, but it cost them loads of expensive Euros and 2/3 hours holding at Eurotunnel.
Seems very unfair - be warned - have some dummy plate screw covers ready to glue on temporarily if necessary!
As you probably know, drilling a reflective plate from the face side ruins it, causing delamination. I would not want some local plod drilling holes in my car = no matter how big his gun is.
Hope you had a good trip home guys - we got through ok - this post is really for LeMans info They want it so it some is meant to stop you changing ya plates while in da country to avoid speeding tickets,
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solidstatelogic
345 posts
37 months
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Womaniser said: That's a daft reply. Spoilers/roofs/wing mirrors are all attached with screws/bolts etc. Not some fluffy piece of sticky material! They're not all attached with screws. Lots of spoilers and other accessories use 3M adhesive tape. Velcro is fine for number plates but if its really hot then the sticky pads attached to the car itself can melt and cause the plate to drop off.
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