Why the whine with straight cut gears?

Why the whine with straight cut gears?

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lankybob

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1,701 posts

190 months

Monday 4th April 2011
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I have tried the all-knowing Google and the search function on here but I can't find anything.

What causes this distinctive whine on straight cut gears and not helical?
It's really annoying me that I know this happens but not why!

Cheers,
Bob

Manks

26,292 posts

222 months

Monday 4th April 2011
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lankybob said:
I have tried the all-knowing Google and the search function on here but I can't find anything.

What causes this distinctive whine on straight cut gears and not helical?
It's really annoying me that I know this happens but not why!

Cheers,
Bob
Because of the impact of the straight cut teeth. With straight cut gears each tooth immediately makes full contact across its full width. With a helical gear the teeth engage and disengage progressively.

lankybob

Original Poster:

1,701 posts

190 months

Monday 4th April 2011
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Thanks. It seems I have asked one of those questions which is glaringly obvious when the answer has been pointed out to you.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 4th April 2011
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It's also worth noting that the only reason you use straight cut gear teeth is for strength, so once you've made that jump, most straight cut tooth profiles will be optimised for root bending (fatigue) strength, to get the highest strength. These profiles tend to have a higher mating velocity so are usually noiser. (i.e. it is possible to have fairly quiet straight teeth, but not at the same time as strength.....) So you could have quiet(er) straight cut teeth but it would be a bit pointless ;-)

xr287

874 posts

180 months

Monday 4th April 2011
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Max_Torque said:
It's also worth noting that the only reason you use straight cut gear teeth is for strength
I thought straight cut gears reduced friction and reduced the amount of power you lost between engine and wheels?

Egg Chaser

4,951 posts

167 months

Tuesday 5th April 2011
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Max_Torque said:
It's also worth noting that the only reason you use straight cut gear teeth is for strength
I always thought that helical gears were stronger than straight cut gears. I thought that because the teeth were diagonal on the gear meant that they were longer, and therefore have a greater surface area, meaning the force transferred through the gears is spread out more. That's assuming the gears are the same size, obviously. Or have I just completely made that up? smile

As mentioned above, I also thought the main reason for using straight cut gears was to reduce the friction between the teeth, meaning less power losses.

hidetheelephants

24,410 posts

193 months

Tuesday 5th April 2011
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xr287 said:
I thought straight cut gears reduced friction and reduced the amount of power you lost between engine and wheels?
There is a reduction in friction/power loss because straight cut gears have a rolling interface rather than a sliding one.

virgil

1,557 posts

224 months

Tuesday 5th April 2011
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Also no side thrust on straight cut. Helical cut gears will try and push apart, needing a thrust surface to hold them together...

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Wednesday 6th April 2011
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Egg Chaser said:
I always thought that helical gears were stronger than straight cut gears. I thought that because the teeth were diagonal on the gear meant that they were longer, and therefore have a greater surface area, meaning the force transferred through the gears is spread out more. That's assuming the gears are the same size, obviously. Or have I just completely made that up? smile
Note that only a small part of each helical tooth is engaged at any one point, the contact point slides along the length of the tooth as the gear rotates.

deveng

3,917 posts

180 months

Wednesday 6th April 2011
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virgil said:
Also no side thrust on straight cut. Helical cut gears will try and push apart, needing a thrust surface to hold them together...
You do still get separation force but it is radial not axial.

Zad

12,703 posts

236 months

Wednesday 6th April 2011
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You can put two helical gears (cut in opposite directions) together to counteract the sideways thrust. This is where Citroen take their logo from.