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agent006
10,856 posts
133 months
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They may underestimate the number of people who are being held in the iDevice ecosystem simply because of their accessories. People who have invested in a couple of docks, maybe an audio adapter for the car, will be reluctant to switch to another make of phone. Putting them into the same position with Apple's own products will give them far less incentive to just buy the latest iPhone.
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carreauchompeur
10,625 posts
73 months
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I think it's a necessary move, to be fair to Apple it's been the same for yonks.
Glad I got a 4S now since it fits my car kit, might have to keep it for a while...
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Famous Graham
26,537 posts
94 months
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I do wonder why they don't just use mini or micro USB though.
ETA - that goes for any manufacturer and, to be fair, does seem to be becoming more prevalent.
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TonyToniTone
1,976 posts
118 months
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TheHeretic said: It isn't our way or the highway though, is it? They are changing the connection. They have used the same type connector since day one, and has changed gradually depending on what was required at the time, be it video, USB, and so on. If they do change it, in order to better use space inside the device, then an external connector will easily allow you to use your old stuff, just as the change from FireWire to USB goosed a lot of docks power wise, (although Apple did give manufacturers 2 years notice, but many did not implement it, including Bose), yet a simple, and normally cheap converter will be abpvailable, just like the 30-pin to micro USB connectors that are available. Maybe, maybe not if they are chipped as suggested by Scoble http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/20/confirmed-the-new...
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HeatonNorris
1,649 posts
17 months
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Famous Graham said: I do wonder why they don't just use mini or micro USB though.
ETA - that goes for any manufacturer and, to be fair, does seem to be becoming more prevalent. Because the dock connector does.... Audio, Composite video, VGA, HDMI, data, power, digital audio and some other funky stuff, too. You just can't do all that with USB, so you'd end up needing several different sockets on te device, taking up room best used for battery capacity.
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TheHeretic
68,083 posts
124 months
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HeatonNorris said: Because the dock connector does....
Audio, Composite video, VGA, HDMI, data, power, digital audio and some other funky stuff, too.
You just can't do all that with USB, so you'd end up needing several different sockets on te device, taking up room best used for battery capacity.  Other devices with micro USB have as features HDMI, and all that jazz. This takes up room on the device, (for batteries, screen, or for minimizing weight, and so on). Instead, they have one dock, designed to do the lot, that way you get a cleaner device, with more internal space.
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Funk
13,081 posts
78 months
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All manufacturers should agree to use Micro-USB, making all devices interoperable with all accessories, especially chargers.
The Micro-USB socket on my One X does everything including data, power, syncing, MHL etc.
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TheHeretic
68,083 posts
124 months
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Funk said: All manufacturers should agree to use Micro-USB, making all devices interoperable with all accessories, especially chargers. Bit micro USB cannot perform all of the functions that the 30-pin connector can. You are forcing a company to have to put more stuff in, and around their device, when it is not required. There are free converters available in CPU tries where microUSB is law to have. MHL is as proprietary as the 30-pin.
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The_Jackal
2,812 posts
66 months
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Griffin and Belkin will make adapters anyway, so need for the world to collapse just yet.
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TheHeretic
68,083 posts
124 months
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Tycho said: MHL via micros USB does pretty much the same actually. And it is as proprietary as the 30-pin connector.
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Tycho
7,986 posts
142 months
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TheHeretic said: Funk said: All manufacturers should agree to use Micro-USB, making all devices interoperable with all accessories, especially chargers. Bit micro USB cannot perform all of the functions that the 30-pin connector can. You are forcing a company to have to put more stuff in, and around their device, when it is not required. There are free converters available in CPU tries where microUSB is law to have. MHL is as proprietary as the 30-pin. What exactly can the 30 pin connector do that a micro USB/MHL connector cannot?
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TheHeretic
68,083 posts
124 months
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HookitI to 30-pin dock connectors on Bose sound docks, and the like. Again, you seem to be missing the point about proprietary. The real question is where was MHL for all these years, and why should apple pay to have a different proprietary connection, when their own is sufficient, (and seems to have garner a mini industry for speakers, etc?). Another question is do we really need wired connections for transmitting video, and audio to a device?
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Frik
11,951 posts
112 months
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Annoying, but that's the price of progress.
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GregE240
10,749 posts
136 months
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Tycho said: TheHeretic said: Funk said: All manufacturers should agree to use Micro-USB, making all devices interoperable with all accessories, especially chargers. Bit micro USB cannot perform all of the functions that the 30-pin connector can. You are forcing a company to have to put more stuff in, and around their device, when it is not required. There are free converters available in CPU tries where microUSB is law to have. MHL is as proprietary as the 30-pin. What exactly can the 30 pin connector do that a micro USB/MHL connector cannot? Give the Daily Wail something to write about on a quiet news day? jees...not that long ago, Nokia changed the size of their charger socket. Nobody died. Third parties - and Nokia - released adapters for owners of older chargers so they still worked. I imagine something similar will happen in this case as well. There's hope....it isn't the end of the world.
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JD
1,130 posts
97 months
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Luckily for me, the last of my ipod accesories went wireless this year,
having to plug an ipod into something to listen to the music, is a bit old fashioned don't you think?
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TheHeretic
68,083 posts
124 months
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JD said: Luckily for me, the last of my ipod accesories went wireless this year,
having to plug an ipod into something to listen to the music, is a bit old fashioned don't you think? I'm sat here, perusing the web, (trying to find ideas, and dimensions for a bit of underbody protection for my Vit), whilst beaming via magicness 'Game of Thrones' to my TV, all without these old fashioned 'wires'. 
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Tycho
7,986 posts
142 months
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TheHeretic said: HookitI to 30-pin dock connectors on Bose sound docks, and the like. Again, you seem to be missing the point about proprietary. The real question is where was MHL for all these years, and why should apple pay to have a different proprietary connection, when their own is sufficient, (and seems to have garner a mini industry for speakers, etc?). Another question is do we really need wired connections for transmitting video, and audio to a device?
No I'm not missing anything, just asking what the difference is.
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TheHeretic
68,083 posts
124 months
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Tycho said: No I'm not missing anything, just asking what the difference is. Not much. 30-pin has been around a lot longer than MHL, however. Both are proprietary, and both work.
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Tycho
7,986 posts
142 months
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TheHeretic said: Tycho said: No I'm not missing anything, just asking what the difference is. Not much. 30-pin has been around a lot longer than MHL, however. Both are proprietary, and both work. Does Apple refuse to license the 30 pin connector as it seems like an awful lot of work to make a new connector which does pretty much the same thing. Can the dock remotes control the phone like MHL devices can?
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TheHeretic
68,083 posts
124 months
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Tycho said: Does Apple refuse to license the 30 pin connector as it seems like an awful lot of work to make a new connector which does pretty much the same thing. Can the dock remotes control the phone like MHL devices can? They license it out to other manufacturers for speakers, docks, and so on. You can control the device from a remote, car steering wheel, and so on. As explained, a smaller dock allows more room in the device, which can be either taken up with extra battery, or another speaker, or to make the device thinner.
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