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Tycho
8,022 posts
143 months
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TheHeretic said: Tycho said: Does Apple refuse to license the 30 pin connector as it seems like an awful lot of work to make a new connector which does pretty much the same thing. Can the dock remotes control the phone like MHL devices can? They license it out to other manufacturers for speakers, docks, and so on. You can control the device from a remote, car steering wheel, and so on. As explained, a smaller dock allows more room in the device, which can be either taken up with extra battery, or another speaker, or to make the device thinner. Wondering if they license it for manufacturers of other devices to go into docks as I've never seen anything else use it and it would be an ideal selling point for companies wanting to get Apples customers.
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TheHeretic
69,407 posts
125 months
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Tycho said: Wondering if they license it for manufacturers of other devices to go into docks as I've never seen anything else use it and it would be an ideal selling point for companies wanting to get Apples customers. Not that I know of. The iPod and dock system is successfully enough to not have to bother I suppose. Even MHL does. It cover all devices, so either are equally as proprietary, as I said. Apple have been using it for a long time. I see no reason for them to jump to MHL, or any other connector.
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HeatonNorris
1,649 posts
18 months
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Why would Apple let other people use it?
They'd only te the blame when someone buggered up their version of it...
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Crafty_
4,766 posts
70 months
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BlueMR2 said: Apple are all about innovation and new technology. were. Now all they like doing is suing people.
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TheHeretic
69,407 posts
125 months
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Crafty_ said: were. Now all they like doing is suing people. I think you'll find all the tech companies are suing each other for various things. It's by no means an apple thing. Google, oracle, Microsoft, Kodak, Samsung, Motorola, and so on, and so forth.
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Tycho
8,022 posts
143 months
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HeatonNorris said: Why would Apple let other people use it?
They'd only te the blame when someone buggered up their version of it... Money, Apple is still a company whose only objective is to make money. I guess they don't feel it fits with their business goals.
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coxyuk
111 posts
18 months
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I'm amazed the Daily Biggot missed this but doesn't this potential change result from a European directive about chargers? *bloody Europeans*
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HeatonNorris
1,649 posts
18 months
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Tycho said: Money, Apple is still a company whose only objective is to make money. I guess they don't feel it fits with their business goals. No, it doesn't. They tightly control hardware to ensure nobody is buggering up their reputation. They learned a very costly lesson when they allowed cheap box shifters to make Macs in the 90s.
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Crafty_
4,766 posts
70 months
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TheHeretic said: I think you'll find all the tech companies are suing each other for various things. It's by no means an apple thing. Google, oracle, Microsoft, Kodak, Samsung, Motorola, and so on, and so forth. true, but by far the most antagonistic is apple.
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coxyuk
111 posts
18 months
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Crafty_ said: BlueMR2 said: Apple are all about innovation and new technology. were. Now all they like doing is suing people. Seriously? You don't think Apple are doing anything other than suing people? As for Samsung they seem to copy any market leader (their Sony Nex equivalent is even called Nx) so good move by Apple to bring this under control.
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TheHeretic
69,407 posts
125 months
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Crafty_
4,766 posts
70 months
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coxyuk said: Seriously? You don't think Apple are doing anything other than suing people? As for Samsung they seem to copy any market leader (their Sony Nex equivalent is even called Nx) so good move by Apple to bring this under control. Well what else have they done ? Made a new laptop that is totally impossible to upgrade, you can't even change the battery. And charged a small fortune for it. iOS6 has just nicked a stack of features android has had for ages "good move by Apple to bring this under control"  yeah, if you say so.
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dozydavenport
249 posts
12 months
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Will this be the same charger type as say blackberry or the galaxy s3? If this is the case i see this as good news! Just earlier i was getting rather frustrated that i couldnt charge my phone because me and my girlfriend were at my grandfathers, all that was available was a galaxy s3 charger or a blackberry charger. This would be ideal for those situations, but then again its good that when i cant be bothered to go upstairs to get the charger i can just drop it on the dock in the kitchen, either way im fine about it!
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HeatonNorris
1,649 posts
18 months
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Oooh, look..... ignorant rubbish being posed about Apple products from people who believe every other ignorant idiot on the internet.
I have a MacBook Air.
For a laptop that can't be upgraded, it has gone from having a spinny disc to an SSD, without leaving my house. I could have replaced the battery, too.
You may also want to look at similar form factor devices, as they're all pretty much the same in terms of needing more specialist knowledge to open and upgrade them.
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Tycho
8,022 posts
143 months
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HeatonNorris said: Oooh, look..... ignorant rubbish being posed about Apple products from people who believe every other ignorant idiot on the internet.
I have a MacBook Air.
For a laptop that can't be upgraded, it has gone from having a spinny disc to an SSD, without leaving my house. I could have replaced the battery, too.
You may also want to look at similar form factor devices, as they're all pretty much the same in terms of needing more specialist knowledge to open and upgrade them. Think he is talking about the new Macbook Pro which can't be upgraded in any way and has to be sent back to Apple for a battery change.
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HeatonNorris
1,649 posts
18 months
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Prrice of progress - the screen can't be done any other way if you want it as thin and hi-res as that.
The battery is a surprise, but I'm sure a repair kit will come along soon, as it always does for stuff like this - and RAM soldered to the board is hardly a massive surprise for a laptop.
It's certainly not anything unusual for a modern 'ultrabook' design.
I hadn't realised there was a new MacBook Pro - these days, if my computer works, that's good enough for me, so my Air will soldier on for another few years.
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craigb84
794 posts
22 months
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Other than for charging I can't even remember the last time I plugged in either my iPhone or iPad to 'connect' to something.
My syncs are wireless now and my music streams to my Zeppelin by AirPlay. Don't really see what the big deal is to be honest.
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coxyuk
111 posts
18 months
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Crafty_ said: coxyuk said: Seriously? You don't think Apple are doing anything other than suing people? As for Samsung they seem to copy any market leader (their Sony Nex equivalent is even called Nx) so good move by Apple to bring this under control. Well what else have they done ? Made a new laptop that is totally impossible to upgrade, you can't even change the battery. And charged a small fortune for it. iOS6 has just nicked a stack of features android has had for ages "good move by Apple to bring this under control"  yeah, if you say so. I see so your view is that Apple has become the most valuable company in the world by just taking people to court. That seems logical. In terms of upgradeability it's innevitable as the computer finally reaches the stage of being commoditised. It's not the norm now for people to replace the screen in their TV, the motor in their washing machine or the sensor in their camera. In the same way computers will reach a stage where they are similarly replaced rather than upgraded at end of life. Certainly it's many years since I swapped out any parts from my computers and this is from someone who used to build his own. This may not suit you but, perhaps, the target audience for the Macbook pro is not you. You mention iOS knicking features from Android but fail to mention the iPhone brought about a total change in smartphones. Oh how I fondly remember the Windows phone I had prior to the iPhone with its clunky interface and almost total lack of apps. I really don't get the hatred of Apple. Maybe it's innevitable being the market leader in some areas and recalls the hatred of microsoft in the past bit at least there's a viable choice of you don't want anything Apple makes.
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Famous Graham
26,541 posts
95 months
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TheHeretic said: HeatonNorris said: Because the dock connector does....
Audio, Composite video, VGA, HDMI, data, power, digital audio and some other funky stuff, too.
You just can't do all that with USB, so you'd end up needing several different sockets on te device, taking up room best used for battery capacity.  Other devices with micro USB have as features HDMI, and all that jazz. This takes up room on the device, (for batteries, screen, or for minimizing weight, and so on). Instead, they have one dock, designed to do the lot, that way you get a cleaner device, with more internal space. Hang on. If you're going to offer, for example, DTS and digital video on a device, you're going to have to incorporate those chips in the device, completely irrespective of whether it's going to be output to a dock scenario or not. The highest level of tech has to be in the device from the outset to be able to output it, either to an external unit or on the device itself. You can't upscale VGA to HDMI quality, or stereo to DTS. Therefore, that's a moot point. So why not rely on the dock to step down the signal to composite, or stereo and just pass the original, unmodified signal over something simple like, oh I dunno...USB? You don't need the device to do that down-converting at all, therefore the examples of composite, stereo, VGA etc, all become irrelevant. Hell, you could even run it over USB as data and let the dock deal with it, like just about every STB, NAS and any other media player manages.
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Famous Graham
26,541 posts
95 months
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Crafty_ said: coxyuk said: Seriously? You don't think Apple are doing anything other than suing people? As for Samsung they seem to copy any market leader (their Sony Nex equivalent is even called Nx) so good move by Apple to bring this under control. Well what else have they done ? Made a new laptop that is totally impossible to upgrade, you can't even change the battery. And charged a small fortune for it. iOS6 has just nicked a stack of features android has had for ages "good move by Apple to bring this under control"  yeah, if you say so. Have they lost any market share or revenue as a result? Do you know anyone who now refuses to buy MacBook Airs? I doubt it. The market stands it. I can't change either of the batteries on my Asus Transformer Prime. That never even crossed my mind as a reason not to buy it. I can't change the coils in my self-built PC's PSU. Guess what, I still bought it. I can't change the chip on the graphics card. Or change the drive controller on the motherboard. Things move on and, as someone else said, become more of a commodity. And as a result, become more cost-efficient to produce as an integrated or sealed unit, thus more affordable.
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