The 3D Printer Thread

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Russ35

2,492 posts

240 months

Thursday 26th September 2019
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If you've only got the STL files there's only so much you can do with them as they are the output files that contain the instructions for the final design made up of thousands of triangles. You would need the actual cad files (.f3d for fusion) to do proper editing/redesign.


ReverendCounter

6,087 posts

177 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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Russ35 said:
If you've only got the STL files there's only so much you can do with them as they are the output files that contain the instructions for the final design made up of thousands of triangles. You would need the actual cad files (.f3d for fusion) to do proper editing/redesign.
Oh, I see - lots to learn, thanks for pre-empting my confusion.

InitialDave

11,927 posts

120 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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I have a Wanhao version of the i3, and I'm perfectly happy with it.

ReverendCounter

6,087 posts

177 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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I haven't looked at any of their printers - will do so tomorrow, thanks for the suggestion.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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You can import and edit stl files in Sketchup, but it can get very messy very fast. Millions of triangles and if you leave just one "hole" your object is no longer "manifold" (sealed) and won't print correctly. There are however plugins for sketchup to check for manifold leaks, and also to simplify (clean up) stl files. They help a lot.

Check out fusion 360. I was sketchup all the way until I discovered 360 (from here!) - it is superbly intuitive and there are a set of fantastic youtube tutorials from some chap (dutch?) who talks you through from the absolute basics. Very good teacher, and 360 is free for home use

Sway

26,323 posts

195 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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Don't overlook the resin printers - simply incredible detail and quality of print.

A little messier, smaller print volume for a given machine price, but can be much faster to print.

For what I use mine for (wargaming models and terrain), I should have gone with a resin printer first, then backed up with a fdm printer after. Although now I'm a bit more confident of it's value to me, I'm saving for the new Phrozen which has a massive build volume for a resin printer.

Insanity Magnet

616 posts

154 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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Sway said:
Don't overlook the resin printers - simply incredible detail and quality of print.

A little messier, smaller print volume for a given machine price, but can be much faster to print.

For what I use mine for (wargaming models and terrain), I should have gone with a resin printer first, then backed up with a fdm printer after. Although now I'm a bit more confident of it's value to me, I'm saving for the new Phrozen which has a massive build volume for a resin printer.
How much do the resins stink? I've been itching to get one since the original Formlabs machine hit the market but have to share home/office with O/H and her insanely sensitive sense of smell. I get enough grief printing PLA and ASA...

Sway

26,323 posts

195 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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Insanity Magnet said:
How much do the resins stink? I've been itching to get one since the original Formlabs machine hit the market but have to share home/office with O/H and her insanely sensitive sense of smell. I get enough grief printing PLA and ASA...
If you're getting grief printing pla, I don't think there's any hope of you getting away with handling resins. Even with charcoal odour filters, it'll still smell more than pla.

That's second hand info though. I'm lucky it's not a consideration for me. Youngsyr has just taken delivery of a Anycubic Photon, and had a plan to help with smell. Photon doesn't have any filter stock iirc.

I do know there's a few bioresins now, that I hear have less odour, and what there is is less unpleasant. Freakish olfactory senses notwithstanding!

ReverendCounter

6,087 posts

177 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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RogerDodger said:
You can import and edit stl files in Sketchup, but it can get very messy very fast. Millions of triangles and if you leave just one "hole" your object is no longer "manifold" (sealed) and won't print correctly. There are however plugins for sketchup to check for manifold leaks, and also to simplify (clean up) stl files. They help a lot.

Check out fusion 360. I was sketchup all the way until I discovered 360 (from here!) - it is superbly intuitive and there are a set of fantastic youtube tutorials from some chap (dutch?) who talks you through from the absolute basics. Very good teacher, and 360 is free for home use
You've helped cement my decision - I'm even thinking about finding some Fusion classes because out of all of the usual software I use (photoshop, illustrator, indesign, xpress, logic+soft synths), I've never coughed up for instruction from a registered/pro user. But I'll see how I get on solo first.

ReverendCounter

6,087 posts

177 months

Friday 27th September 2019
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Sway said:
Don't overlook the resin printers - simply incredible detail and quality of print.

A little messier, smaller print volume for a given machine price, but can be much faster to print.

For what I use mine for (wargaming models and terrain), I should have gone with a resin printer first, then backed up with a fdm printer after. Although now I'm a bit more confident of it's value to me, I'm saving for the new Phrozen which has a massive build volume for a resin printer.
I can't do SLA because I haven't got an appropriate space to allow it to revel in its own particular stench - which is a bloody shame, some of the results are perfect - I can imagine some of the detail you must be able to get from what I've seen from some examples on the web.

Insanity Magnet

616 posts

154 months

Saturday 28th September 2019
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Sway said:
If you're getting grief printing pla, I don't think there's any hope of you getting away with handling resins. Even with charcoal odour filters, it'll still smell more than pla.

That's second hand info though. I'm lucky it's not a consideration for me. Youngsyr has just taken delivery of a Anycubic Photon, and had a plan to help with smell. Photon doesn't have any filter stock iirc.

I do know there's a few bioresins now, that I hear have less odour, and what there is is less unpleasant. Freakish olfactory senses notwithstanding!
I wasn't holding out much hope, either. I seem to remember one company (Prusa?) claiming that they had made significant inroads into the handling and smells issue but can't haven't seen anything to back that up.

In the meantime I'll FDM or continue throwing cash at Materialise/3T etc...

sjj84

2,390 posts

220 months

Saturday 28th September 2019
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My son has a toy land rover discovery with a caravan, the tow bar broke off the discovery so naturally I thought, if I had a 3d printer I could repair that. So I bought an Ender 3, sadly my old laptop wasn't powerful enough to run fusion 360, so I had to buy a new one. Total cost approx £1000 to repair a toy that cost £10 and I don't think I've seen him play with it since!!

Insanity Magnet

616 posts

154 months

Sunday 29th September 2019
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sjj84 said:
My son has a toy land rover discovery with a caravan, the tow bar broke off the discovery so naturally I thought, if I had a 3d printer I could repair that. So I bought an Ender 3, sadly my old laptop wasn't powerful enough to run fusion 360, so I had to buy a new one. Total cost approx £1000 to repair a toy that cost £10 and I don't think I've seen him play with it since!!
hehe

I printed a few dragons, fidget spinners and dino heads when I bought the Cetus. All gathering dust on shelves now...

ADogg

1,349 posts

215 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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Without derailing this thread into a “what 3D printer?” Thread which ones do you recommend?

I’m a product designer with Solidworks, so the cad side I’m happy with - I want one to make a few odds and sods around the house and car and a few proof of principle models for work! I’ve been looking at the Creality Ender 3, then saw they had an Ender 5 out then got carried away and parked it, but I want one for sure now!

Paddymcc

943 posts

192 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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I don't know much about the ender 5 but my creality cr10 is still going strong for what will be 3 years this Christmas.

If you buy one just purchase some spare nozzles and feed gears but once you get the hang of things and use decent quality material things run pretty smoothly. The only other annoyance is bed levelling but it's par for the course with these cheaper printers.

It has pretty much revolutionised things in work with how we can print broken/missing parts for computer equipment. The bits would have otherwise languished on our shelves and been sold off cheaply.

Insanity Magnet

616 posts

154 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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Paddymcc said:
I don't know much about the ender 5 but my creality cr10 is still going strong for what will be 3 years this Christmas.

If you buy one just purchase some spare nozzles and feed gears but once you get the hang of things and use decent quality material things run pretty smoothly. The only other annoyance is bed levelling but it's par for the course with these cheaper printers.

It has pretty much revolutionised things in work with how we can print broken/missing parts for computer equipment. The bits would have otherwise languished on our shelves and been sold off cheaply.
I have a Prusa and a Cetus (PLA/PETG/PLA flex) that are both very good. I have access to more expensive machines but for desktop prototyping mine are fine. No direct experience of Ender but client has a bunch of Creality machines whirring away which they are quite happy with (odd breakdown tolerated given price).

Sway

26,323 posts

195 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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Creality are good, budget filament printers.

I've managed, and have seen, print quality to rival the prusa of the world - however a little more tweaking, thinking and cheap upgrading to get there.

Otherwise, for absolute best quality, there's dla resin printing.

Anycubic photon is great according to one pher, but a learning curve! Very limited builds size though.

For a bigger build volume, there's the new phrozen for £1k.

Russ35

2,492 posts

240 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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Depends on your needs and you. Print bed size depending on the size of things you want to print (Ender 3 is 235*235*250). The cheap ones from China can produce good results out of the box, but you will probably end up wanting to upgrade things on it. As someone who likes taking things to bits and trying to rebuild them the Chinese ones are Ok, plus mine is just for mucking about with.

If I was using it for work then maybe I would have got a Prusa I3 MK3. Prusa have just this week released a smaller printer, the Prusa MINI for 379 EUR

I've just fitted my new SKR Mini E3 board to my Ender 3. It is now silent when moving. The only noise now is from the fans. My printer is in another room, I could hear it when it was doing the bed levelling, so I would then go and wait for it to do the first couple of layers. Then you also know when it had finished as you would hear the print bed move to the front and then silence. Now I have to keep my webcam via Octoprint on one of my monitors. Cannot get my head around how something can be so noisy and now be so quiet due to the type of chip drivers controlling the motors.


ReverendCounter

6,087 posts

177 months

Monday 14th October 2019
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ADogg said:
I want one to make a few odds and sods around the house and car and a few proof of principle models for work!
Depends on the budget and your willingness to spend time, money and effort getting the printer to print with the sort of quality you're happy with.

ie, if you go for a cheaper one (approx. £200?) you're going almost certain to have issues.

£500 will get you a Creality CR10S Pro with a load of useful features like auto bed levelling, capricorn tubing and other upgrades already built in when compared to their Ender 3/5.

It might work straight out of the box or you might face further issues which will have to be ironed out. I've read several times elsewhere that 3D printing isn't a 'set up and forget' process - ie, ongoing tweaks are required.

But if you want to minimise that, and have a machine that's got everything built into it straight out of the box (either as a kit of fully assembled) then have a look at Prusa i3 MK3S, at around £700 as a kit.

I've spent the last few weeks watching at a ton of YT reviews, reading blogs/articles etc etc. I started off confident that £200 would get me a reliable machine but after thinking about how much additional time and money it will probably take to get the sort of reliability and print quality I want, the budget has now increased dramatically!

VERY useful YT channels are: Maker's Muse, Chep, 3D Printing Nerd and 3DMN (3D Maker Noob)

As an alternative to filament based 3D printing, SLA is more expensive, quicker, messier and smells quite badly apparently - but the end results are AMAZING!

sausage76

353 posts

124 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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Prusa i3 here.

Took me about a month to get it printing right and never had a problem since.

I haven't used it for a while and a mate asked if I could make him a couple of items so fired it up at the weekend a quick level check and all was good.

Great bit of kit for what I want it to do.....