I'm getting more and more concerned about AI...
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...is anyone else?!
I'm not a great wordsmith so someone else will probably be able to articulate this a lot better than me!
My passion growing up and my early career was technology. I love technology. I have enjoyed working out where AI can fit into my businesses and what the potential uses could be in the future.
That being said, I am feeling myself becoming more and more concerned about AI and what the future is going to look like.
I think it's likely that over the last decade or so, elections all over the world have been increasingly interfered with by external nations but specifically Western elections interfered with by other countries. I'm not talking directly, but more indirectly by running targeted campaigns, bot farms, online echo chambers, rumor mills etc to swing voters in one direction or another and to produce results that are seen to be more favorable to them.
With the recently released new output from Sora, how can that improve? It seems like it's just going to get worse and even more adversarial than it is now?
Regardless of which side of the COVID debate you were on at the time (or since), I think it's fair to say that both sides manipulated the situation with rabid misinformation. I think had COVID kicked off in 2025 instead of 2020 it would have so very different with the output by models such as Sora.
In the current environment where people seem to be 'cancelled' first and investigated later, once the outcome of that investigation has been reached, life has already moved on. Yet that news and the associated information is still out there for anyone to read...and it will always be out there.
When someone generates an AI clip of person A assaulting person B how will, person A defend themselves? If you're wealthy or famous it's probably less of a concern as you will likely have reliable ways to prove you weren't there. Maybe a clip shows the brutal murder of someone important that causes various stock prices to move?
If you're just a regular-joe - how will you afford a defense? What a great alibi for injuring/killing someone - no, I couldn't possibly have beaten the crap out of him in Edinburgh - here's a video of me at the changing of the guard at that same time on that same day in Windsor.
I find my self a bit conflicted here - I'm super excited about the possibilities of this new technology. I mean that clip of the woolly mammoths from Sora combined with something like the Apple Vision Pro will be immense...and I truly can't wait for stuff like that. That being said, on the other side of the coin, I can't help but feel that little niggle of doubt that I have been ignoring is, well, growing.
Is it just me?
I'm not a great wordsmith so someone else will probably be able to articulate this a lot better than me!
My passion growing up and my early career was technology. I love technology. I have enjoyed working out where AI can fit into my businesses and what the potential uses could be in the future.
That being said, I am feeling myself becoming more and more concerned about AI and what the future is going to look like.
I think it's likely that over the last decade or so, elections all over the world have been increasingly interfered with by external nations but specifically Western elections interfered with by other countries. I'm not talking directly, but more indirectly by running targeted campaigns, bot farms, online echo chambers, rumor mills etc to swing voters in one direction or another and to produce results that are seen to be more favorable to them.
With the recently released new output from Sora, how can that improve? It seems like it's just going to get worse and even more adversarial than it is now?
Regardless of which side of the COVID debate you were on at the time (or since), I think it's fair to say that both sides manipulated the situation with rabid misinformation. I think had COVID kicked off in 2025 instead of 2020 it would have so very different with the output by models such as Sora.
In the current environment where people seem to be 'cancelled' first and investigated later, once the outcome of that investigation has been reached, life has already moved on. Yet that news and the associated information is still out there for anyone to read...and it will always be out there.
When someone generates an AI clip of person A assaulting person B how will, person A defend themselves? If you're wealthy or famous it's probably less of a concern as you will likely have reliable ways to prove you weren't there. Maybe a clip shows the brutal murder of someone important that causes various stock prices to move?
If you're just a regular-joe - how will you afford a defense? What a great alibi for injuring/killing someone - no, I couldn't possibly have beaten the crap out of him in Edinburgh - here's a video of me at the changing of the guard at that same time on that same day in Windsor.
I find my self a bit conflicted here - I'm super excited about the possibilities of this new technology. I mean that clip of the woolly mammoths from Sora combined with something like the Apple Vision Pro will be immense...and I truly can't wait for stuff like that. That being said, on the other side of the coin, I can't help but feel that little niggle of doubt that I have been ignoring is, well, growing.
Is it just me?
Mm. It's going to be easier to fool people who take things at face value... so 90% of people then... I think tech companies will create ways of authorising content so we'll have a level of certainty about how genuine something is. Right now, YouTube are drawing up rules for this: https://blog.youtube/inside-youtube/our-approach-t...
So people will have to learn to only trust videos that have a degree of authenticity.
In a way, this kind of filtering is already there, in a very simplistic way. For instance, if I post a video about how in order to cure someone of a brain tumour you have to empty an AR-15 magazine into someone's head, nobody will take it seriously. Well, maybe a Trump supporter might.
Sadly, it will take time, and people like to jump to conclusions so there's going to be a lot of collateral damage along the way.
This videos touches on things, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRTQbmnTYi0
So people will have to learn to only trust videos that have a degree of authenticity.
In a way, this kind of filtering is already there, in a very simplistic way. For instance, if I post a video about how in order to cure someone of a brain tumour you have to empty an AR-15 magazine into someone's head, nobody will take it seriously. Well, maybe a Trump supporter might.
Sadly, it will take time, and people like to jump to conclusions so there's going to be a lot of collateral damage along the way.
This videos touches on things, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRTQbmnTYi0
Imagine using Apple Vision Pro in pass through mode, but someone insertes an AI generated element into the video feed in real time.......to the user it might just become reality that isn't real to anyone but them!!
The horse has already bolted, it's going to be anticipation of consequences. When I was my daughters age the intertnet didn't even exist. Ai cannot be far off bettering human imagination, couple that with essentially endless memory, no concept of tiredness, the T1000 seems like a pretty lame human imagined way to deal with wasteful organic lifeforms.
The horse has already bolted, it's going to be anticipation of consequences. When I was my daughters age the intertnet didn't even exist. Ai cannot be far off bettering human imagination, couple that with essentially endless memory, no concept of tiredness, the T1000 seems like a pretty lame human imagined way to deal with wasteful organic lifeforms.
gangzoom said:
Imagine using Apple Vision Pro in pass through mode, but someone insertes an AI generated element into the video feed in real time.......to the user it might just become reality that isn't real to anyone but them!!
I can see a recipe for mental illnesses right there in all honesty. As others have said, sadly in many respects, Pandora's box has been well and truly blown apart Actual AI is still a fair way away, we see some rudimentary examples (ChatGPT, Alexa, etc) but these are just programs fed with data that has been inputted by humans from both the coding and the information they collect from the web.
Nobody of yet has developed a system that can actually think for itself, something that goes beyond its base code and makes its own decisions. Remember Tay? On the face, it seemed to be AI, but it was just a program that ‘Tweeted’ the most popular views/thoughts it was inputted with by other users and after a less than a day, people had completely screwed it up and got it tweeting stuff like ‘Hitler was right’, ‘Feminists should burn in hell’ and denying that the holocaust happened!
When it comes to what people believe on the internet, well that’s just stupidity thriving. Some people believe anything, it’s just that the likes of social media has exaggerated it. It’s no different to a few hundred years ago when a random t**t would declare some poor woman a witch and get half a town to believe him, unfortunately those same people are now afforded a bigger platform these days.
Nobody of yet has developed a system that can actually think for itself, something that goes beyond its base code and makes its own decisions. Remember Tay? On the face, it seemed to be AI, but it was just a program that ‘Tweeted’ the most popular views/thoughts it was inputted with by other users and after a less than a day, people had completely screwed it up and got it tweeting stuff like ‘Hitler was right’, ‘Feminists should burn in hell’ and denying that the holocaust happened!
When it comes to what people believe on the internet, well that’s just stupidity thriving. Some people believe anything, it’s just that the likes of social media has exaggerated it. It’s no different to a few hundred years ago when a random t**t would declare some poor woman a witch and get half a town to believe him, unfortunately those same people are now afforded a bigger platform these days.
By the end of the decade video and photographic evidence will be completely unusable. This will be a big wrench to the way society has evolved to work in the last 100 years, particularly in justice and news/history.
"Well m'lud, the prosecution shows cctv of my client Mr Scrote breaking in, but look here are six other videos showing my client in six different places at the same time. Clearly some of these are fake but who's to say which?"
It'll be more subtle in news. Rather than something completely made up, it will be tweaks to the records to twist the story.
Here's my actual footage of the riot. Now here's a version clearly showing it was started by the People's Front of Judea. And here's a version showing it was definitely started by the Judean People's Front.
"Well m'lud, the prosecution shows cctv of my client Mr Scrote breaking in, but look here are six other videos showing my client in six different places at the same time. Clearly some of these are fake but who's to say which?"
It'll be more subtle in news. Rather than something completely made up, it will be tweaks to the records to twist the story.
Here's my actual footage of the riot. Now here's a version clearly showing it was started by the People's Front of Judea. And here's a version showing it was definitely started by the Judean People's Front.
I am not convinced it will make much difference to the big things.
On "news" I think we are mostly manipulated by what makes the headlines and what never gets reported. What difference would an added AI image or a video make to people who believe everything the TV tells them anyway?
I think our politicians are mostly puppets. How would an AI video fabrication be any less "representative"? How would AI change postal vote fraud or ballot stuffing?
Do the courts rely much on video evidence?
On "news" I think we are mostly manipulated by what makes the headlines and what never gets reported. What difference would an added AI image or a video make to people who believe everything the TV tells them anyway?
I think our politicians are mostly puppets. How would an AI video fabrication be any less "representative"? How would AI change postal vote fraud or ballot stuffing?
Do the courts rely much on video evidence?
There is no Artificial Intelligence.
If your sworn enemy creates such footage, then official or otherwise footage of the area would show nothing. Reasonable doubt there.
If the police created the footage, again, you should be able to show that you were elsewhere. Again, reasonable doubt.
If your sworn enemy creates such footage, then official or otherwise footage of the area would show nothing. Reasonable doubt there.
If the police created the footage, again, you should be able to show that you were elsewhere. Again, reasonable doubt.
Colonel Cupcake said:
There is no Artificial Intelligence.
If your sworn enemy creates such footage, then official or otherwise footage of the area would show nothing. Reasonable doubt there.
If the police created the footage, again, you should be able to show that you were elsewhere. Again, reasonable doubt.
How would I show that I was at home all night last night and not sneaking out and murdering someone?If your sworn enemy creates such footage, then official or otherwise footage of the area would show nothing. Reasonable doubt there.
If the police created the footage, again, you should be able to show that you were elsewhere. Again, reasonable doubt.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/381d4b25-8264-4...
This worries me, as does the potential for taking out opponents or innocent bystanders with deep fakes.
The upside is the potential for a massive increase in productivity and bringing previously uneconomical tasks into profitable ones, early detection and better treatment for diseases and self driving cars.
The net benefit will be huge, just like the invention of the printing press allowed newspapers, literature, and text books while also allowing Russell Brand to write two autobiographies and Hitler to publish Mein Kampf.
This worries me, as does the potential for taking out opponents or innocent bystanders with deep fakes.
The upside is the potential for a massive increase in productivity and bringing previously uneconomical tasks into profitable ones, early detection and better treatment for diseases and self driving cars.
The net benefit will be huge, just like the invention of the printing press allowed newspapers, literature, and text books while also allowing Russell Brand to write two autobiographies and Hitler to publish Mein Kampf.
Terminator X said:
Yet my satnav can't even route me around traffic jams. People always over estimate how quickly tech will arrive, proper useful or harmful AI no different imho.
TX.
You can't be seriously comparing your cheapo basic Satnav GPS to supercomputers like Nvidia's Helios which will drive AI forward? Incidentally, Google's satnav does do a decent job of providing alternative routes where available and it is on every smartphone. If your car satnav isn't linked to an online service that provides the relevant info then naturally it can't know about live conditions. TX.
But yes, it does take time for tech to develop and AI is in its very early stages but, like so much tech, it will still develop exponentially in terms of capability and in time it will be hugely better. Those exponential leaps will be significant in themselves however as it goes through different stages.
Pessimists who don't understand tech have always existed; compare the early smartphones to now, compare early PC's to now - huge leaps forward overall but even incremental leaps have been significant during that time and will continue to be.
AI is still an unknown in terms of what it will develop into. It is an exciting prospect, it will deliver real benefits - where it will ultimately lead though is still in the sphere of imagination.
grumbledoak said:
I am not convinced it will make much difference to the big things.
On "news" I think we are mostly manipulated by what makes the headlines and what never gets reported. What difference would an added AI image or a video make to people who believe everything the TV tells them anyway?
I think our politicians are mostly puppets. How would an AI video fabrication be any less "representative"? How would AI change postal vote fraud or ballot stuffing?
Do the courts rely much on video evidence?
It's already here.On "news" I think we are mostly manipulated by what makes the headlines and what never gets reported. What difference would an added AI image or a video make to people who believe everything the TV tells them anyway?
I think our politicians are mostly puppets. How would an AI video fabrication be any less "representative"? How would AI change postal vote fraud or ballot stuffing?
Do the courts rely much on video evidence?
https://news.sky.com/story/deepfake-audio-of-sadiq...
Russia and China will find it even easier to persuade voters around the world this year. AI will only get better so people need to challenge everything they see and hear that's presented to them as evidence.
Terminator X said:
Yet my satnav can't even route me around traffic jams. People always over estimate how quickly tech will arrive, proper useful or harmful AI no different imho.
TX.
You're able to validate the computers output with your physical reality. If you don't have any physical reality to judge what you're presented with you can't validate it.TX.
Those who are in the business of influencing others know that the majority of people are already and extremely rusted on to their own echo chambers and people like hoofy above will float along with whatever their, ahem, trusted media outlets tell them to love or hate.
S366 said:
Actual AI is still a fair way away, we see some rudimentary examples (ChatGPT, Alexa, etc) but these are just programs fed with data that has been inputted by humans from both the coding and the information they collect from the web.
It's a bit unfortunate the current iterations are named AI. It should be called Mashup Spew because that's what it is. Humans being humans, we will keenly place vital functions and institutions in the hands of something utterly mindless and stupid and pay the according price.
Mr Penguin said:
Colonel Cupcake said:
There is no Artificial Intelligence.
If your sworn enemy creates such footage, then official or otherwise footage of the area would show nothing. Reasonable doubt there.
If the police created the footage, again, you should be able to show that you were elsewhere. Again, reasonable doubt.
How would I show that I was at home all night last night and not sneaking out and murdering someone?If your sworn enemy creates such footage, then official or otherwise footage of the area would show nothing. Reasonable doubt there.
If the police created the footage, again, you should be able to show that you were elsewhere. Again, reasonable doubt.
You don't have to show that you were home all night, they have to show that you were at the scene. I would imagine that could be quite difficult, given the mass surveillance society we live in. They would not be able to show a clear timeline of your route to arrive at and depart the crime scene.
Colonel Cupcake said:
Mr Penguin said:
Colonel Cupcake said:
There is no Artificial Intelligence.
If your sworn enemy creates such footage, then official or otherwise footage of the area would show nothing. Reasonable doubt there.
If the police created the footage, again, you should be able to show that you were elsewhere. Again, reasonable doubt.
How would I show that I was at home all night last night and not sneaking out and murdering someone?If your sworn enemy creates such footage, then official or otherwise footage of the area would show nothing. Reasonable doubt there.
If the police created the footage, again, you should be able to show that you were elsewhere. Again, reasonable doubt.
You don't have to show that you were home all night, they have to show that you were at the scene. I would imagine that could be quite difficult, given the mass surveillance society we live in. They would not be able to show a clear timeline of your route to arrive at and depart the crime scene.
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