VAG diesel engines....please explain to me?

VAG diesel engines....please explain to me?

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fangio

988 posts

235 months

Sunday 15th January 2012
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Tame Technician said:
TDIfurby said:
Not sure whether the PD ever got into 170 form. I know there were plenty in 140 form, but I thought 170 came in with the swap to common rail, unless there was a bit of crossover?

So, "most powerful 1.9 PD was the seat ibiza cupra" biggrin
Audi did do 2.0 PD TDi's with 170bhp (pretty sure VW did to). We (Audi) are currently replacing the injectors for free on all of them.
Is it true you're doing the 140s with the Siemens' injectors too?

Tame Technician

2,467 posts

205 months

Sunday 15th January 2012
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Audi dont have an engine with 140bhp with the peizo crystal injecotors. SO we are only doing the 170's

VW do however, and I believe its a yes, but as I say Audi dont, so dont know for sure. Ring you local dealer with you vin or reg number and they can tell you if your car is due the recall.


TDIfurby

1,997 posts

176 months

Sunday 15th January 2012
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Aha, good info to know. As I have a 1.9 I have kind of never bothered to know when the 2.0 went over to common rail and when the PD injectors were phased out / 170hp engines brought in.

Pugmitch

84 posts

174 months

Sunday 15th January 2012
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Just to clarify one or two things here. 2.0 litre VW PD 170 engine is present in the Golf Mark V until 2009 when the Mark VI superseded it with the introduction of Common Rail.

All of the 170 pd engines in VAG group engines until Common Rail introduction were fitted with Siemens injectors hence the 'Customer Service' recall......except that not everyone is being sent a letter by VW. I rang VW customer service - after seeing the TDI thread on PH - and after some discussion regarding chassis number agreed that 'yes' my 2008 Golf GT Sport with the 170 PD engine has the siemens injectors and will be replaced FOC. It's booked in for early Feb.

Other VW vehicles include some PD engined Passats (140 BHP)........so I suggest that if you are in any doubt then contact VW Customer Services armed with your chassis number (VIN) and ASK!

Also Cambelt change advice on VW is 4 years or 40K miles.........good idea to replace the waterpump too at the same time.....old style plastic impeller is known to melt! I certainly wouldn't wait past five years or 60K.......top end damage if cambelt breaks is not cheap!!

I've had trouble cold starting my Golf; garage say nothing wrong........now I know it is the injectors, should be solved after the recall. That apart it's a super car, terrific.......why buy an Audi A3 at a greater cost?


page3

4,922 posts

252 months

Sunday 15th January 2012
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Pugmitch said:
.why buy an Audi A3 at a greater cost?
I prefer the look, both inside and out. Purely subjective of course, but that's why I bought the A3 not the VW.

wiliferus

Original Poster:

4,064 posts

199 months

Sunday 15th January 2012
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Tame Technician said:
wiliferus said:
Tame Tech, just the man! As our resident beard expert, if it was your hard earned money, would you go for the 1.9 PD or the newer 2.0?
My opinion and definatly not that of VAG

2.0 Common rail unit is good.

1.9 PD engine is rough and unrefined, but largly bullet proof and very good on fuel

2.0 PD is crap in every way.
Good advice, precise and to the point. Thanks. Looking like a 1.9 PD as the bullet proof nature is vital to me. thumbup

cuprabob

14,675 posts

215 months

Sunday 15th January 2012
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Pugmitch said:
.......why buy an Audi A3 at a greater cost?


In the same vein, why buy the VW when it's more expensive than the Seat Leon and Skoda Octavia ???

Pugmitch

84 posts

174 months

Sunday 15th January 2012
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Why a VW instead of Seat or Skoda?.......Seat ride too hard for my OAP bum.(and yes I have had both Cupra Ibiza and Leon thanks)......Skoda Octavia, why buy one when I can borrow my son's!

Also and a major consideration in the matrimonial stakes.......Other half doesn't like Skodas! Some people have no taste!

cuprabob

14,675 posts

215 months

Sunday 15th January 2012
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Pugmitch said:
Why a VW instead of Seat or Skoda?.......Seat ride too hard for my OAP bum.(and yes I have had both Cupra Ibiza and Leon thanks)......Skoda Octavia, why buy one when I can borrow my son's!

Also and a major consideration in the matrimonial stakes.......Other half doesn't like Skodas! Some people have no taste!
I would guess then that the people who pay the premium over the Golf for the A3 must have their own reason then :-)

corvus

431 posts

153 months

Sunday 15th January 2012
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bulb763 said:
PD injection system explained:

http://www.myarchive.us/richc/VW_TDI_with_PumpeDus...

Would love to see something similar for the CR system, if anyone knows of one
Thanks for that link. I never understood exactly how the fuel injection was timed on the PD system - this makes it all clear. A brilliant system.

KevinA3DSG32

11,641 posts

281 months

Monday 16th January 2012
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Tame Technician said:
TDIfurby said:
Not sure whether the PD ever got into 170 form. I know there were plenty in 140 form, but I thought 170 came in with the swap to common rail, unless there was a bit of crossover?

So, "most powerful 1.9 PD was the seat ibiza cupra" biggrin
Audi did do 2.0 PD TDi's with 170bhp (pretty sure VW did to). We (Audi) are currently replacing the injectors for free on all of them.
Also Skoda Octavia vRS Tdi was 2.0 PD 170 in the ealry days

TDIfurby

1,997 posts

176 months

Monday 16th January 2012
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corvus said:
Thanks for that link. I never understood exactly how the fuel injection was timed on the PD system - this makes it all clear. A brilliant system.
Having looked into and watched my (trained mechanic) sort out the timing on my PD engine, I can see how tough it is if you didn't have the tools, or the knowledge. All this dial gauge setting up and then tightening, and knocking back 225 degrees. All quite odd, but quite essential too.

mikey P 500

1,240 posts

188 months

Tuesday 17th January 2012
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Linked to this thread I’m pottentially in the market for a 2.0 diesel mk2 Leon or mk5 golf. I am ideally looking for a 170bhp model of either but what’s the main differences between this and the 140bhp models and would it be straight forward to chip/map either engine for higher boost/more power without other modifications. Buying approx a 05 to 07 car is it likely to have reliability problems with this engine more than any other VAG diesel.

rabbitson

1 posts

121 months

Tuesday 8th April 2014
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bulb763 said:
PD injection system explained:
http://www.myarchive.us/richc/VW_TDI_with_PumpeDus...
Would love to see something similar for the CR system, if anyone knows of one

Hi there,

Was reading this thread and thought I'd share the document that I found on the Common Rail, I've posted it here:

http://www.bestbikingroads.com/external_photos/2-0...

HTH,

David

Kell

1,708 posts

209 months

Wednesday 9th April 2014
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Tame Technician said:
Regarding cam belts

... stuff ...

and a stupid 120k on some 1.8T's. leaving a 1.8T cam belt til 120k will only result in failure.
My understanding is that this was a mistranslation from the orginal German Service Books. They recommended 115,000 km which converts to about 70,000 miles. And in some early service books this was displayed as 115,000 miles. Certainly this was the case with the TTs.

I also know of at least three TTs that went bang at about 65,000 miles.

crossy67

1,570 posts

180 months

Wednesday 9th April 2014
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There are some PD engines (2002) that have belts with a service life of 40,000 miles according to Autodata. I had to repair one for a friend who's snapped on a long journey after it had covered a fraction over 40,000.

dbfan

183 posts

124 months

Wednesday 9th April 2014
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I may be mistaken, but I think the earlier 1.9 PD engines were more reliable - while it may be the variable service interval that's to blame, there seems to be a lot of later ones failing prematurely.

I had a 2002 Golf 100 Tdi (ATD engine) that had got to 97K miles and looked as if it would do another 97K without problems. Unfortunately, a large cobble cracked the sump and, as I needed a car to take my late mother to hospital etc, I bought a 2008 Bluemotion with the BLS PD engine. That engine blew big time in January at around 120K miles and I couldn't find a used one locally - apparently there's almost a waiting list for them!

Annoyingly, both cars had full main dealer service history when I bought them - though the dealers that did the old one were pi$$ poor (I had a lot of fettling to do!) and had fixed service intervals (sometimes exceeded). The second one has an immaculate history from a different dealer and a computer printout from the leasing company that "owned" it! That includes wiper blades and light bulbs!! However, it had only had three oil changes in its first 112K miles and a cambelt at something over 70K (I can't remember exactly and the book is in the car). I had the oil changed within a year and it was due another just before it "blew up" (3000 miles later!).

Ironically, I had put a second cambelt on the old Golf a month or so before the mishap (so about 50K between changes) - it was due as it had been five years since the previous change, not because it had done the miles.

chris285

811 posts

133 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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the only reason the 1.9 pd units have issues is if they are not serviced properly is the use of the wrong oil, this is when you get the common cam wear which is mostly on the pd150 but my mk1 leon is getting to 80k and still going strong and even better since i've got a darkside dev map on rather than a revo one

I think the 2l PD engine was around until 2008/2009 in the vw range when it changed over the to the CR units, i'm happy with my pd lump as had very little trouble with it and the newer ones with DPF's just seem to have more problems in general where the 1.9 lump is almost bullet proof as stated

As for the touran if we are talking 2005 shape, its 1.9 110 and the 2l in 140 and 170 versions i think which it came with

davedx

1 posts

113 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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We have a 1.9 PD Seat Leon. It's currently sitting on 379,000km and the engine's still going strong.

The clutch is really starting to go though, and the turbocharger has had some kind of valve issue for the past year that we've not bothered fixing as it's not worth the money. Sometimes when the turbo cuts out on the motorway it's annoying, but otherwise the engine is as people have said, pretty bulletproof!