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gowmonster
1,307 posts
36 months
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sjg said: r999 said: Well, here's another way to ratchet up the publicity. A FOI request: http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/keyless_bmw_...No point in making one where I live - the answer would be counter-productive - but in the big centres of population it should produce another stick or two to beat BMW with. Well there's a reply there now - short version is that the police don't know the exact nature of the theft unless the car is recovered, and generally don't record enough information in their systems to pull out cases by make & model. but in csi they would just pop onto the computer......... OMFG it's not real is it? I do like how it's a refusal but they actually state that 12 came up in a search
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eastsider
627 posts
92 months
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I agree this thread is dying. Looking at the stolen cars wiki in general gassing, thefts seem to have tailed off recently - none reported here since mid-May. Maybe the Old Bill have caught up with the gang. Maybe the gang have so many high end diesel 3 & 5 series in their lockup to dismantle/clone/ship overseas they've eased off taking them for a while! There will prob be another spate of thefts in London & Birmingham soon then more people will find this thread.
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E500 TAT
274 posts
68 months
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I've just caught up on this thread today, reading about the last months worth of posts.
Can i just ask, if anyone knows how the clifford blackjax thing works? how it knows the car has been jacked? is it the opening of the door that requires the code to be put in again or does it need to be informed, ie calling a call centre.
Must be the former by how quick it cuts out, internet does not seem to provide an answer.
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t8cmf
206 posts
29 months
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E500 TAT said: I've just caught up on this thread today, reading about the last months worth of posts.
Can i just ask, if anyone knows how the clifford blackjax thing works? how it knows the car has been jacked? is it the opening of the door that requires the code to be put in again or does it need to be informed, ie calling a call centre.
Must be the former by how quick it cuts out, internet does not seem to provide an answer. I believe the Blackjax is connected to your drivers side door switch / interior light circuit. As soon as your door opens the Blackjax timer is activated. The upside is a quick reacting system but the downside is a system that means you can't just nip out of your car whilst leaving it idling as it will activate the Blackjax. The keypad fitted to the dash resets the system. I want one myself but a member of another forum tells me that the Blackjax 5 system will bring up errors on my E92 M3's iDrive system. I can't find anything about this online though nor can I find an E92 M3 with the system fitted.
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HowMuchLonger
2,604 posts
62 months
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I amsuprised that the insurance companies have not caught onto this. If they had the premium on a new BMW would be so high as to be prohibitive.
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mrmr96
11,957 posts
73 months
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t8cmf said: mellyE92 said: Hi,
Might not be immediately relevant to this thread (apologies but it is).
It is suggested by the local dealer that I should have had a plastic key for my '09 E92. I can't recall getting one, only the two electronic fobs. Does anyone know if I should have had a plastic (sometimes called valet key) with the vehicle.
Thanks on advance. I've not got a plastic key with my E92 M3 either. Does he mean the key that pulls out of the end of the key fob? It's a "replica" of that "wiggly" key that pulls out of the key fob, and is made of plastic. Not really sure what the purpose is? I guess it may be able to lock/unlock but not start the car?
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Steffan
6,187 posts
97 months
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mrmr96 said: t8cmf said: mellyE92 said: Hi,
Might not be immediately relevant to this thread (apologies but it is).
It is suggested by the local dealer that I should have had a plastic key for my '09 E92. I can't recall getting one, only the two electronic fobs. Does anyone know if I should have had a plastic (sometimes called valet key) with the vehicle.
Thanks on advance. I've not got a plastic key with my E92 M3 either. Does he mean the key that pulls out of the end of the key fob? It's a "replica" of that "wiggly" key that pulls out of the key fob, and is made of plastic. Not really sure what the purpose is? I guess it may be able to lock/unlock but not start the car? I have to say the number of ways to circumvent the alarm/security systems on BMW does, beg the question. Presumably BMW were seeking to make losing the keys less disastrous for the owner. In the process circumventing the security, without appreciating the unintended consequences of their actions. Since BMW are stonewalling, frankly successfully, I see not solution to this weakness. Presumably the next generation of BMW cars will be much better protected. I would hope so for the owners.
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aeropilot
7,003 posts
96 months
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Steffan
6,187 posts
97 months
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aeropilot said: Frighteningly professional. The uniform, hoods, gloves and approach are cut throat warnings. I am afraid this video demonstrates the level of the criminals. This is serious major crime at work. Chilling. These are no chancers or amateurs. They knew the cameras were there and were disciplined and brazen in their actions. Glad no one was injured. These boys would be dangerous if challenged. I hope the evil s  ts are caught: in reality very unlikely.
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HowMuchLonger
2,604 posts
62 months
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We have now written off buying a BMW...thank you pistonheads.
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t8cmf
206 posts
29 months
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Steffan said: Frighteningly professional. The uniform, hoods, gloves and approach are cut throat warnings. I am afraid this video demonstrates the level of the criminals. This is serious major crime at work. Chilling. These are no chancers or amateurs. They knew the cameras were there and were disciplined and brazen in their actions. Glad no one was injured. These boys would be dangerous if challenged. I hope the evil s ts are caught: in reality very unlikely. I think you are being too kind to these scumbags. They circumvented a sub-standard security system and then plugged a computer into the car pushed a few buttons and the computer did the rest. Once these secrets are known you could literally train a team of monkeys to do this. They couldn't even cover the CCTV lenses properly letting the police see their modus operandi. They look like chavs to me.
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sinizter
3,346 posts
55 months
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Steffan said: Frighteningly professional. The uniform, hoods, gloves and approach are cut throat warnings. I am afraid this video demonstrates the level of the criminals. This is serious major crime at work. Chilling. These are no chancers or amateurs. They knew the cameras were there and were disciplined and brazen in their actions. Glad no one was injured. These boys would be dangerous if challenged. I hope the evil s ts are caught: in reality very unlikely. You are being far too kind to a bunch of monkeys.
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blueacid
2 posts
10 months
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So given this apparent risk, I wonder whether the cars can be updated to provide some line of defense? (Obviously the separate attack vector is fake documents permitting a new key to be dispatched)
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cptsideways
9,869 posts
121 months
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aeropilot said: Clearly showing one guy holding the key coder too, did they break in through the mirror?
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Pesty
25,857 posts
125 months
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Just saw this for the first time. 54 pages now but sorry if this has already been covered.
Isn't this quite easy for BMW to stop?
Don't sell blank keys unless people can show a registration document?
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JC2012
487 posts
85 months
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If they stop selling them someone will manufacture them i think their readily available on auction sites.
In technology and engineering there's always reverse technology and engineering - and no matter what BMW do there will always be a way.
They are just making it very easy to do by leaving the Port live with power when the vehicle is turned off and locked they should instead cut the power to the port and allow the alarm to sound if contact is made to the pins on the port when the vehicle is locked as a deterrent at least.
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TheEnd
12,100 posts
57 months
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The blank keys aren't being sold by BMW, they are made in China, and you can get blanks of any electronic key.
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mrmr96
11,957 posts
73 months
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Pesty said: Just saw this for the first time. 54 pages now but sorry if this has already been covered.
Isn't this quite easy for BMW to stop?
Don't sell blank keys unless people can show a registration document? This: TheEnd said: The blank keys aren't being sold by BMW, they are made in China, and you can get blanks of any electronic key. But also, as someone else has already explained; you don't need a "Blank" key to pull it off. I, like you, originally thought that an electronic key was like a metal key; blank until it's programmed to match the car you want to open with it. However it's been explained on this thread that this is not the case. Instead the CAR is coded to the KEY. That is to say the key has a unique identifier built into it from manufacture, and the car can store the details of up to ten keys. So there will be the original two that came with the car, and 8 blank slots. The thieves program one of the empty slots to accept the key they have in their possession. This is why you don't need a "blank" key. It's also why one of the possible defence options is to over write all the remaining 8 key slots on your car with one of your existing keys. That way no more keys can be coded. (Apparently it would require an expnsive new chip to be able to get the 10 blank slots back.)
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TheEnd
12,100 posts
57 months
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mrmr96 said: However it's been explained on this thread that this is not the case. Instead the CAR is coded to the KEY. That's a theory I disagree with...
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mrmr96
11,957 posts
73 months
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TheEnd said: mrmr96 said: However it's been explained on this thread that this is not the case. Instead the CAR is coded to the KEY. That's a theory I disagree with... Ok, I don't know either way - I was just trying to summarise some of the content from the last x pages. 
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