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JazzyO

1,007 posts

50 months

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Wednesday 23rd May 2012 quote quote all
melvster said:
41k, i could buy this or the extra's for a 458.
Really silly comparison. The extras on the 355 when it was new would be at least half of what it is worth now. My 550 is about worth the price of the extras right now....

You also have to remember that it is impossible to have less than 10k in extras. Wheels are an option - they are not included in the standard price. The same for seats, and paint. The basic price is never the minimum payable price.

If you want to be really rational about it, then you shouldn't be buying a Ferrari at all. Thankfully, not all of us are rational all the time. I had about 58k worth of extras on my 458, before any taxes. I am ecstatic that I chose them! Like the OP, I want to do this once, and do it well. Sure, it's going to cost me. But there is nothing for free in this world, all that matters is that you are happy that you got value for money.

I agree with isuk that the racing seats are not much more money than the full electric option, what I meant was that both the racing and the full electric are expensive, they cost double the standard seats. I do agree that racing seats will help resale and that, for me, they are definitely worth the money.

991fan said:
def getting rid of the carbon engine, no body seems to spec it and I think it will get lost, thats another £4.5k!
For me, that was a must-have option. I just love the look of it, and I think it goes fantastically well with my car. It is expensive, yes, but I know plenty of people that order it. About 1/3 of orders, I would say. For a white car with red interior, I would probably go with the red headers, though.


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bertie

5,632 posts

153 months

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I guess you view depends on personal circumstances.

If you are never going to sell the car it's not important, or if you are so loaded that £40k is spare change then you're not bothered.

I don't plan on spending that much on extras on my slider and the dealer didn't think it necessary.

When I looked seats and wheels were standard smile

JazzyO

1,007 posts

50 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
bertie said:
If you are never going to sell the car it's not important, or if you are so loaded that £40k is spare change then you're not bothered.
It's not either case for me. I do think that the options are very expensive and I would rather have made it a bit (or a lot) cheaper. It's just that I wanted to spec it exactly the way I wanted it, and I was willing to take the hit for the sake of getting the car just right. I realise that is costing me money upon resale, which is not just spare change for me, but it's worth it for me just to order my dream car just once.

Of course, YMMV. If one is already planning to buy the Scuderia version or the successor, then it makes sense not to go overboard.


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bertie

5,632 posts

153 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
JazzyO said:
Of course, YMMV.
Onno
Eh? Sorry for being thick but YMMV???

neil-f

1,303 posts

76 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
JazzyO said:
You also have to remember that it is impossible to have less than 10k in extras. Wheels are an option - they are not included in the standard price. The same for seats, and paint.
Really??

all that matters is that you are happy that you got value for money.

Ferrari options are most definatly NOT value for money!!
All have a horse tax added biggrin


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Ferrari take the pee on the pricing of the options, no way can you say that they are value for money......
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Beefmeister

10,826 posts

99 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
If you want to see a white 458 with all the CF options ticked and a black/red interior give ecurie25 a ring in St Johns Wood. They've got this one and it's utterly gorgeous:




UH-Matt

1,911 posts

109 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
That E25 car looks great but it shouldn't have red carpets IMHO, would look much better with Nero carpets (and maybe black wheels) smile

JazzyO

1,007 posts

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
neil-f said:
Ferrari take the pee on the pricing of the options, no way can you say that they are value for money......
That is your opinion. I have mine. It is a free world, brother. Nobody is forcing you to take the options. I am completely happy with my choices, so I have gotten value for money. Simples!


Onno

Edited by JazzyO on Thursday 24th May 13:53

bertie

5,632 posts

153 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
JazzyO said:
neil-f said:
Ferrari take the pee on the pricing of the options, no way can you say that they are value for money......
That is your opinion. I have mine. It is a free world, brother. Nobody is forcing you to take the options. I am completely happy with my choices, so I have gotten value for money. Simples!


Onno

Edited by JazzyO on Thursday 24th May 13:53
I can accept you are happy to pay the prices, but they are seriously over priced and that's a fact.

They price them at what they can get away with, not what they cost, that's the point.

groak

3,254 posts

48 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
I was asked £26 for a set of tyre valve caps at the F dealer. Admittedly they were metal, so that's really only £25.01p more than they cost in the pound shop or wherever. I suppose some people would say paying 26 times the right price has a zero element of value for money, and that it's just a plain and simple ripoff. But equally, I have no doubt whatsoever that other people consider it's excellent value because, after all, there is a small cavallino rampante stamped on the top of the valve caps.



Edited by groak on Thursday 24th May 20:34

MattOz

3,013 posts

133 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
bertie said:
JazzyO said:
neil-f said:
Ferrari take the pee on the pricing of the options, no way can you say that they are value for money......
That is your opinion. I have mine. It is a free world, brother. Nobody is forcing you to take the options. I am completely happy with my choices, so I have gotten value for money. Simples!


Onno

Edited by JazzyO on Thursday 24th May 13:53
I can accept you are happy to pay the prices, but they are seriously over priced and that's a fact.

They price them at what they can get away with, not what they cost, that's the point.
Absolutely. The prices in the options list are eye watering and grossly over priced. It really does make a mockery of it all when you can purchase a lovely 355 for the options spec'd on a new 458. I bet that was only a third of what the OP could've spent on options too.

caine100

305 posts

59 months

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Thursday 24th May 2012 quote quote all
991fan said:
caine100 said:
I assume by "sports exhaust" it is this: http://www.ferrari.com/English/Services/Aftersales...

Do you/anyone know anything more about it? Anyone have it fitted to their car?
Yep, the demo I tried had them on. 8% louder according to the dealer. They have a black finish to the tailpipe. Actually only £432 which compared to some of the extras seems good value.
A bit late but, are you sure that's not just for the black finish to the tailpipes? That seems awfully generous from a manufacturer that charges £600 for an iPod connector.

Regardless, I'm going to have to enquire about getting this thing retrofitted.

991fan

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164 posts

30 months

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Thats what the dealer told me, let me know if you find out different.

Cheers

991fan

dom9

2,581 posts

78 months

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Friday 25th May 2012 quote quote all
This thread has made me go on the Ferrari Configurator and spec a F458 in Grigio Silverstone with red calipers and racing wheels, a charcoal, alcantara and red stitched interior...

Now I have to have one... At some point soon. Damn you all!

JazzyO

1,007 posts

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Friday 25th May 2012 quote quote all
caine100 said:
A bit late but, are you sure that's not just for the black finish to the tailpipes?
Yep, that's why I didn't take it.


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991fan

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164 posts

30 months

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Friday 25th May 2012 quote quote all
JazzyO said:
caine100 said:
A bit late but, are you sure that's not just for the black finish to the tailpipes?
Yep, that's why I didn't take it.


Onno
My dealer must have it wrong then, because I said I wanted the sports exhaust (which he said was 8% louder) but did want the black pipes, he told me this is something the Atelier service could sort out?

I'll clarify.

pistolp

779 posts

91 months

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Friday 25th May 2012 quote quote all
I wouldn't buy a car without the racing seats. They are amazing and really add to the car. I think it could make your car alot less attractive on resale. As for options not being relevant come resale, that is cobblers wheover suggested that. A poverty pack car will always be cheaper, although there does come a point. You have to be clever with options and there is a spec that will protect you as much as possible, you have to have the things that most of us will all choose and that includes colour.
Personally, I am going to stick an akrapovic on my next one. I've gone for blu pozzi, beige interior sports seats and grey wheels with black calipers. It's a list price of 213k. Don't know what that amounts to in options but I would rather have my options than a 355 instead!

bertie

5,632 posts

153 months

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Friday 25th May 2012 quote quote all
pistolp said:
I wouldn't buy a car without the racing seats. They are amazing and really add to the car. I think it could make your car alot less attractive on resale. As for options not being relevant come resale, that is cobblers wheover suggested that.
That would be me!!!

I have to say I do like the racing seats, stupid price though they are, plus there are a few other bits that I think are must haves.

On options, I think they make things easier to sell, but I've never been offered more or less come PX because of any options.

pistolp

779 posts

91 months

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Friday 25th May 2012 quote quote all
Furry muff, you've obviously never specced a shocker then. If you ask me the more people personalise their cars the narrower they make the aftersale market for themselves. This is especially so with some rather radical colour schemes I have seem lately. At the end of the day I would pay a bit more for a car with the right spec, sport seats for instance, but it's not night and day different as you say.
Sounds like you must have good taste!

991fan

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164 posts

30 months

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Friday 25th May 2012 quote quote all
I'm not a fan of the race seats aesthetically, but looks like I'm in the minority. I'll give it some thought.

A Ferrari dealer must take in to account the original price of the car (inc options) when they make an offer for a used one, plus they must take an account how easy it will be to shift on.

Mind you the dealer I'm buying from had a dark red metallic car (£18k option, apparently) plus red carbon fibre (don't know how much thats) so that must have been a hefty car to start with.
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