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Rick101
727 posts
19 months
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I find it a completley bizzare notion that cuctomers pay for a service, then pay the employees additionally.
Do you put something in for the restaurant gas and electric too?
Surely you pay the restaurant and the restaurant pays its staff. I'm quite happy to pay a few quid more for a meal knowing the staff are given a decent level of employment.
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sday12
4,189 posts
80 months
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z4chris99 said: Ive never seen a client come in and tip me for doing a good job, thus i dont tip ever. they carried my food about 15m and took my order, how f  king hard can it be. That's why they gob in it when you go back.
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Fatman2
1,445 posts
38 months
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Tipping is an insane cultural act but I still do it if I feel that the service merits it.
I tip my hairdresser and give her a big one at that but only because she's the boss and gives me a massive discount i.e. 50%, for being a loyal customer.
I'll tip the maid in a hotel if my room looks great every day I stay (surprisingly some do the bare minimum).
I'll contribute a decent whack for the cleaner when the whip round comes for Xmas (maybe not strictly a tip tho).
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ludicrous speed
952 posts
63 months
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sday12 said: z4chris99 said: Ive never seen a client come in and tip me for doing a good job, thus i dont tip ever. they carried my food about 15m and took my order, how f king hard can it be. That's why they gob in it when you go back. Ahh so the tip is actually the 'anti-gobbing charge' - i'll probably start paying it from now on. 
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The Jolly Todger
1,155 posts
49 months
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In general I find that people who don't tip are also 'careful with their money' in all other areas of their life too. Like when it's their turn to buy a round for example.
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monthefish
15,709 posts
100 months
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OldJohnnyYen said: Following on from the other thread about Mr Millions wanting to give his wealth away to some dude in a jeweler shop.
I tip following a meal out but that's about it, I don't even know why I do it. Great service is the minimum I expect and I can't believe I tip them when I get it. If someone goes above and beyond, then they deserve some extra cash. I think from now on im going to think twice before leaving a tip.
If a waitress income is made up of tips, then surely thats illegal? Doesnt everyone have to pay minimum wage? If her tips dont make minimum wage then do the restaurant make up the difference? Is that a case of, if I dont pay, then the owner will?
I just think its all getting out of hand, yeah they earn minimum wage, but so does the woman at the check out at Sainsburys, the fella in the bar and bin men but I dont tip all those?
I reckon its all one big conspiracy made up by waitresses. Is this not, almost word-for-word, Mr Pink's dialogue in 'Reservoir Dogs'? ETA: Link
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unrepentant
14,396 posts
125 months
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Snowboy said: In the US there is such an expectation of a 15%+ tip that servers are taxed based in their income being their wage + 15% of all their receipts (not including alcohol).
It varies from state to state, but that’s the general sort of thing. The IRS assume 8% for tax purposes. Tipped positions have a different minimum wage to non tipped positions and in most states it's around $2.20 per hour. In reality a server never receives any of that as it is used to pay the taxes. 15% is the bare minimum you should tip, I always leave 20, sometimes more if the service is outstanding which it often is. The prices in the restaurants reflect the fact that employment costs are much lower. Also in most states employees, including servers, have no employment protection. Having said that, serving table and bartending is considered to be a profession here and people who are good at it can earn a decent amount of money and are respected. Not the case in the UK. A vacancy in a top restaurant will see many applicants.
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unrepentant
14,396 posts
125 months
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Fatman2 said: I tip my hairdresser and give her a big one I bet you do. Gnaar gnaar gnaar
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OldJohnnyYen
Original Poster
936 posts
18 months
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Glad im not alone, I was thinking you directors would call me a cheap skate 
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KaraK
10,594 posts
78 months
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Rick101 said: I never tip, ever. I always say thank you and express the gratiture deserved.
Tipping encourages employers to pay low wages.
Customers making up the shortfall is not the solution. You do realise that if they paid the staff more basic wage they would pass that cost on to the customer right? ETA: I hadn't see this later post: Rick101 said: I find it a completley bizzare notion that cuctomers pay for a service, then pay the employees additionally.
Do you put something in for the restaurant gas and electric too?
Surely you pay the restaurant and the restaurant pays its staff. I'm quite happy to pay a few quid more for a meal knowing the staff are given a decent level of employment. So clearly you do understand that and my question was redundant.. apologies!
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qube_TA
6,606 posts
114 months
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If I've had a nice meal and the staff looked after me/us during the visit to the restaurant and we had a nice evening as a result then I'll tip 10 - 15%.
Most places these days seem to want you to add the tip onto the bill and pay it via card which just increases the profit of the restaurant and doesn't necessarily mean the staff get anything extra.
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OldJohnnyYen
Original Poster
936 posts
18 months
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qube_TA said: If I've had a nice meal and the staff looked after me/us during the visit to the restaurant and we had a nice evening as a result then I'll tip 10 - 15%.
Most places these days seem to want you to add the tip onto the bill and pay it via card which just increases the profit of the restaurant and doesn't necessarily mean the staff get anything extra. Just when eating? Do you do it everytime you get good service?
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Studio117
2,363 posts
60 months
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Having done years of bar work/waitering before and during university, one thing annoyed me about people tipping. Either tip generously or don't bother. You've just spent £100 and you decide to give me a pound. You . 
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unrepentant
14,396 posts
125 months
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qube_TA said: Most places these days seem to want you to add the tip onto the bill and pay it via card which just increases the profit of the restaurant and doesn't necessarily mean the staff get anything extra. Not in the USA. Each server runs their own float. They tally up at the end of the shift. If their tickets (excluding tips) add up to say $2173 that's what the restaurant collects from them, the rest is theirs. Hopefully they get enough cash sales to cover the CC tips, if not the restaurant will pay them out.
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Kermit power
14,859 posts
82 months
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Snowboy said: Did you know, a decent front of house maître de in a restraint can earn over 50k base salary Possibly so, but how much can they expect to earn in a non-bondage restaurant?
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fesuvious
3,941 posts
110 months
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I work in an industry where tipping is seen as the done thing by the customer; I have been asked by customers what my opinion is, and this is what I tell them, You are already paying for a service. We offer an outstanding level of service, and indeed that is what is sold to you for the price you are quoted. On such basis you should already consider that you are paying for 'the bells and whistles'. Once you know exactly what you are paying for then it is entirely up to you to decide if staff that are working for you have gone above and beyond what they are already paid to do. It is my opinion that only ever in such a circumstance 'tipping' can be justified.The problem with this country is that tipping became a 'right' and not a privilege / something to work harder to try to engineer. It all goes along with the culture of entitlement that we somehow believe should exist, or rather have somehow promoted to those entering the workplace over the last 10-15 years. You want, you f king earn it. Don't matter if its a car, a 50k salary, or a tip. But never should we encourage a mindset where people think they are entitled just 'because' That's my 2p ETA Studio117 said: Having done years of bar work/waitering before and during university, one thing annoyed me about people tipping. Either tip generously or don't bother. You've just spent £100 and you decide to give me a pound. You . I rest my case, you ungrateful s t
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snuffle
1,582 posts
51 months
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sherman said: If you work an average 40 hour week on minimum wage you will come home after tax with less than £900 and then you would have to fund everything from that.
Still it's not bad for a weeks work.
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sc0tt
7,415 posts
70 months
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fesuvious said: I rest my case, you ungrateful s t I have to agree with this. I also agree that if you are paid to do a job, on a salary like the other 99% of the population, why should you be tipped for doing the job?
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z4chris99
5,706 posts
48 months
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what defines good service?
I eat out maybe 5 times a week, sometimes more, I'm yet to have service where I would say "wow you really did more than I expected".
friendly? gives a reccomendation? serves you quickly? good food? = all expected surely?
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OldJohnnyYen
Original Poster
936 posts
18 months
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z4chris99 said: what defines good service?
I eat out maybe 5 times a week, sometimes more, I'm yet to have service where I would say "wow you really did more than I expected".
friendly? gives a reccomendation? serves you quickly? good food? = all expected surely? I went for some pub grub, some staff had gone down stick it left one guy running the bar and waiting on, he worked hard to make sure everyone had a good time. £40 bill, £20 tip, well worth it IMO
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