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Jimbeaux
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100 months
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TheHeretic said: Jimbeaux said: You are correct. You see, however, in this instance we are talkng about this President, not past ones. I wonder what odds I could get that you never called for the last president to be ousted on a failed promise?  I did not call for this one's ouster, he did.
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TheHeretic
68,131 posts
124 months
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Jimbeaux said: I did not call for this one's ouster, he did. You don't find it strange calling for the ousting of a president based on that? You don't think at all that is simply the fact that he is not 'your' party, therefore you will leap upon the slightest thing, because that is how it is coming across... PS, any evidence about ACORN?  I like evidence, backup, etc. it makes discussion so much more fruitful.
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Jimbeaux
25,725 posts
100 months
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TheHeretic said: Jimbeaux said: I did not call for this one's ouster, he did. You don't find it strange calling for the ousting of a president based on that? You don't think at all that is simply the fact that he is not 'your' party, therefore you will leap upon the slightest thing, because that is how it is coming across... PS, any evidence about ACORN? I like evidence, backup, etc. it makes discussion so much more fruitful. On a promise broken? No. I want him gone based upon what I consider to be unsound fiscal policies for the future betterment of this nation. It is as simple as that. It is not racism, as some on here want to insist, it is not pure party loyalty, it is pure policy and leadership direction. I gave a link on ACORN a few posts up to Mermaid.
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TheHeretic
68,131 posts
124 months
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Jimbeaux said: On a promise broken? No. I want him gone based upon what I consider to be unsound fiscal policies for the future betterment of this nation. It is as simple as that. It is not racism, as some on here want to insist, it is not pure party loyalty, it is pure policy and leadership direction.
I gave a link on ACORN a few posts up to Mermaid. ACORN lost its staus die to taxation issues, not voter fraud. In fact there was no evidence at all that ACORN was involved in any voter fraud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Commun...The next segment in that article shows why ACORN got I to the s  t. Nothing whatsoever to do with your, or the WSJ's claims.
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Countdown
6,340 posts
65 months
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toppstuff
8,383 posts
116 months
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Jimbeaux said: I want him gone based upon what I consider to be unsound fiscal policies for the future betterment of this nation. I can buy that. But I can't buy the notion that people who may say the words you like to hear on those issues, while at the same time display completely bats t mental, holy-crap-thats-scary points of view on other issues, are fit for office. It's a bit like hiring a painter and decorator to paint your garage because you like his work, while ignoring the fact that he is a serial killer who likes wearing hats made out of meat. The bad things make the good things irrelevant.
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Countdown
6,340 posts
65 months
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Jimbeaux said: It did! The problem is two fold. First, unemployment has been above 8% for 42 staright months, the worse in history. . Most western economies are struggling. The recession is global, not just in the US.
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TheHeretic
68,131 posts
124 months
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unrepentant
14,408 posts
125 months
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TheHeretic said: Jimbeaux said: Smart voters? Again you are calling basically 50% of the nation stupid; brilliant move. So, if Akin is indicative of the whole Republican party, then, your logic would dictate that the New Black Panthers intimidating white voters in Philadelphia, etc. is indicative of the whole Democratic party? Keep reaching. Well, just under 50% of American voters are below average intelligence. Funny but I don't recall the views of the New Black Panthers, who have no affiliation whatsoever with the democratic party, being trumpeted from the platform at the democratic national conference. However, a plank promoting the controversial and utterly repugnant views of Mr Akin (and Mr Ryan) has been approved by the platform committee for next weeks republican national conference!
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unrepentant
14,408 posts
125 months
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TheHeretic said: The US economy is struggling less than most. I wonder what would have happened if McCain had been electedand the stimulus had never happened? I think that we would be in a double dip with levels of unemployment never dreamed of. Instead we have seen more than 2 years of continuous private sector job growth.
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vonuber
3,899 posts
34 months
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Jim: a question for you. What is your view on abortion? Are you pro/anti? You ignored my query about why the religion of a President matters, I would appreciate it if you answered this one. Actually I'll throw this out to Unrepentant too, as they seem to be the main proto candidates here 
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unrepentant
14,408 posts
125 months
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vonuber said: Jim: a question for you. What is your view on abortion? Are you pro/anti? You ignored my query about why the religion of a President matters, I would appreciate it if you answered this one.
Actually I'll throw this out to Unrepentant too, as they seem to be the main proto candidates here I am pro choice. It is not Paul Ryan or Mitt Romney's or mine or your right to tell a woman what she should do with her body, the law is in place and has been sincte 1973.
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davepoth
19,925 posts
68 months
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unrepentant said: I am pro choice. It is not Paul Ryan or Mitt Romney's or mine or your right to tell a woman what she should do with her body, the law is in place and has been sincte 1973. Surely they're just telling women to go to Mexico? I'm only half joking.
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GavinPearson
4,996 posts
120 months
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BenM77 said: What form of ID are they asking for ? Why would a person of voting age AND interest not be able to obtain ID ?
My point stands, this thread is not discussing anything about real policies when it is tied up on ID. Typically they ask for a state issued ID, which is usually a drivers license. The state I live in permits you to get a state ID if you can't drive if you present a birth certificate or naturalization certificate. The same state office is used to register to vote, renew your drivers license, get license plate tabs, and is very familiar to the state's residents. So overall it is easy to get an ID if you present the correct credentials, and easy to register to vote too. I stood in the queue when my wife voted at the last election. She has a designated polling station, they checked her ID, gave her a voting paper (looks more like an exam multiple choice anser sheet) and off she went to fill it in and submit it while my son and I stood around waiting. Everybody there was subject to the same rules. Our state voted for Obama and the local representative and senator were both democrats. Nobody in our area moaned to the papers or tv about being disenfranchised. I think the overall process I saw was good and thorough, and I see no issue in asking for the same level of scrutiny at every single polling booth. For those that are too busy to vote on the day they can always submit an absentee ballot. So there are plenty of ways to be able to vote, and few excuses not to.
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GavinPearson
4,996 posts
120 months
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BenM77 said: What are the main policy differences between the Republicans and the Democrats regards the Economy and deficit ? Surely more important than the mud slinging arguments. The key difference between the Republicans and Democrats that the politicians would have you believe is that Republicans want small government that provides only essential services (defence, motorway network, federal police, minimal regulation) leading to lower taxes and the individual being personally very responsible for their and their families' own well being. Democrats believe that having more state intervention can help achieve the goals of the people at large far better. The Dems also believe that big corporations or rich people don't have the right to be immune from prosecution - so if the Doctor or corporation messes up, they can be sued. In real terms this means the Republicans keep saying that government is too big, call for deregulation and tax cuts. It also means that the Democrats say they need to increase tax revenues for 'investing' in the country, such as providing a semi-NHS style healthcare system and creating a European style benefits culture. In reality they are not that far apart - you only need to compare the Bush Sr, Clinton & Bush Jr economic stats to see that. However, it's not just about taxes and spending. The Dems are by the majority of their core voters pro-choice in terms of abortion policy and the Repulicans are staunchly anti-abortion. This potentially shifts the entire election from one being about the key economic and policy issues to one tainted with the question "but what if my wife / daughter / sister / niece was raped, got pregnant and did not want the baby?" - the "woman's right to choose" policy of the Dems would appeal to many swing voters.
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unrepentant
14,408 posts
125 months
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There was a great moment on the Anderson Cooper show Tuesday night.
Republican spokeswoman Kellyanne Conway was doing what republicans do - lying and sensationalising. Whilst trying to spin the Akin story she claimed that selective abortion based on gender was widespread in the US. A surprised Cooper challenged her immediately and asked what evidence she had for her claim and she quoted the respected Guttmacher Institute as her source. Within a few minutes the CNN team had accessed the actual Guttmacher study which, of course, said nothing of the sort, exposing the lie whilst Conway was still on screen. The vacuous bint was shown up as a liar and had to sit there grinning moronicaly whilst she was made to look ridiculous.
Still, at least she quoted a source, even a made up one................
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TheHeretic
68,131 posts
124 months
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unrepentant said: There was a great moment on the Anderson Cooper show Tuesday night.
Republican spokeswoman Kellyanne Conway was doing what republicans do - lying and sensationalising. Whilst trying to spin the Akin story she claimed that selective abortion based on gender was widespread in the US. A surprised Cooper challenged her immediately and asked what evidence she had for her claim and she quoted the respected Guttmacher Institute as her source. Within a few minutes the CNN team had accessed the actual Guttmacher study which, of course, said nothing of the sort, exposing the lie whilst Conway was still on screen. The vacuous bint was shown up as a liar and had to sit there grinning moronicaly whilst she was made to look ridiculous.
Still, at least she quoted a source, even a made up one................ Video http://www.pensitoreview.com/2012/08/22/anderson-c...
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BenM77
2,111 posts
33 months
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GavinPearson said: BenM77 said: What are the main policy differences between the Republicans and the Democrats regards the Economy and deficit ? Surely more important than the mud slinging arguments. The key difference between the Republicans and Democrats that the politicians would have you believe is that Republicans want small government that provides only essential services (defence, motorway network, federal police, minimal regulation) leading to lower taxes and the individual being personally very responsible for their and their families' own well being. Democrats believe that having more state intervention can help achieve the goals of the people at large far better. The Dems also believe that big corporations or rich people don't have the right to be immune from prosecution - so if the Doctor or corporation messes up, they can be sued. In real terms this means the Republicans keep saying that government is too big, call for deregulation and tax cuts. It also means that the Democrats say they need to increase tax revenues for 'investing' in the country, such as providing a semi-NHS style healthcare system and creating a European style benefits culture. In reality they are not that far apart - you only need to compare the Bush Sr, Clinton & Bush Jr economic stats to see that. However, it's not just about taxes and spending. The Dems are by the majority of their core voters pro-choice in terms of abortion policy and the Repulicans are staunchly anti-abortion. This potentially shifts the entire election from one being about the key economic and policy issues to one tainted with the question "but what if my wife / daughter / sister / niece was raped, got pregnant and did not want the baby?" - the "woman's right to choose" policy of the Dems would appeal to many swing voters. Thankyou for your replys, from reading this thread it really does seem that the issues like abortion could be a big decider for people uncertain of which way to vote. I take it the Republicans get a lot of religious votes for the very same reason they don't get pro-choice votes. It was put quite humorously above by Topstuff, regardless of how the economic policies sound to you the other bits will have an affect on how you vote. Especially with media mudslinging ! It must be difficult for intelligent Republicans who are more interested in the economic recovery.
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Mermaid
12,497 posts
40 months
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BenM77 said: Thankyou for your replys, from reading this thread it really does seem that the issues like abortion could be a big decider for people uncertain of which way to vote. I take it the Republicans get a lot of religious votes for the very same reason they don't get pro-choice votes.
It was put quite humorously above by Topstuff, regardless of how the economic policies sound to you the other bits will have an affect on how you vote. Especially with media mudslinging !
It must be difficult for intelligent Republicans who are more interested in the economic recovery. Good post - democracy at work
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BenM77
2,111 posts
33 months
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Mermaid said: BenM77 said: Thankyou for your replys, from reading this thread it really does seem that the issues like abortion could be a big decider for people uncertain of which way to vote. I take it the Republicans get a lot of religious votes for the very same reason they don't get pro-choice votes.
It was put quite humorously above by Topstuff, regardless of how the economic policies sound to you the other bits will have an affect on how you vote. Especially with media mudslinging !
It must be difficult for intelligent Republicans who are more interested in the economic recovery. Good post - democracy at work Not 100% sure what you mean Just for reference, I would likely vote Democrat in the US. My point about it being difficult for intelligent Republicans is that they have a lot to defend that is seperate from economic policies. I think it is harder because of the size of the US, I have seen Jimbeaux mention local Government being important which makes sense if the states vary a lot across the whole country.
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