Upholders of the Law

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pitbull

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69 posts

285 months

Tuesday 17th July 2001
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Got an interesting one from last night. Sitting at a busy junction behind a police van who was the first in the Q. Lights went green no movement, lights stayed green no movement after I would say 12 sec I pressed the horn. Cop jumps out of the driving seat stomps back to me leans into my car and shouts in my face " I am having a bad day so you had better not make it any bloody worse". Then turned around got back in the van and did a U Turn at a no U Turn junction. Got the Chimp into first but then the Lights went red and left myself and the rest of Joe public for another cycle of colours. If I did that in practice in what I do I would never get away with it.

Nightmare

5,194 posts

285 months

Tuesday 17th July 2001
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thats called 'abuse of power' you'd get bug*ered for it!! I got a faceful of very aggressive policeman who was the passenger in an unmarked Vectra in Hertford last week. The WPC driving went round a roundabout on the dual carriageway A414 and pulled straight across 2 lanes without indicating and nearly took the front off my car (and would have if I hadnt assumed it was going to happen). I got out the way and shook my head to register my amazement (it really was no more than that cos it happens all the time there) and the guy in the passenger seat started screaming abuse at me...it was only when I then looked over that I saw they were cops...I was quite shocked! The driver, meanwhile, was looking at her feet, bright red with embarrassment, and didnt say anything! I considered following them to the station and getting cross but it wasnt worth it really! shame I guess...but there's wa**ers in every job! Night

john robson

370 posts

278 months

Tuesday 17th July 2001
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Can't really defend it. We are all human, we all have bad days. I rarely loose my rag, just resort to being ultra polite "yes sir, no sir" etc that usually winds them up more if they are getting abusive and shouting at you. But there is a limit when they reach mine they get arrested under the public order act. Others deal with it differently.

philshort

8,293 posts

278 months

Wednesday 18th July 2001
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No, that sort of behaviour is indefensible. Plod can lose their rag, public have no comeback. Plod loses an argument he can just arrest the "smartarse" under public order offences. Any and all abuses of power should be reported, there ought to be an independant body to investigate complaints, and police abusing their position ought to be fired. Edited by philshort on Wednesday 18th July 00:01

apache

39,731 posts

285 months

Wednesday 18th July 2001
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if you take a job that involves dealing with the general public you should know what to expect and be trained to deal with them,I couldn't be arsed with it, thats why I'm not a policeman

Marshy

2,748 posts

285 months

Wednesday 18th July 2001
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General Public? Aren't they those ghastly people they show us on TV?

apache

39,731 posts

285 months

Wednesday 18th July 2001
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TV....ever wondered what happened to socialising, unless you were a footballer, supermodel or drug dealer it became so expensive to go to the pub people started watching other people go to the pub, Coronation Street, Emmerdale, Eastenders etc now we watch people staying in!!!, Big Brother, The Royle Family etc. What will they watch next people sleeping, going for a crap etc........and another thing !! (wanders off into the sunset muttering darkly)

mrtony

105 posts

283 months

Wednesday 18th July 2001
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Quote "What will they watch next people sleeping, going for a crap etc........" Err apache, its called big brother....

apache

39,731 posts

285 months

Wednesday 18th July 2001
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wouldn't know, never watch it, certainly adds weight to the expression "get a life" though. How about this for a new format, get a blank wall, cover it with a bright coloured liquid then film the chemical change as it becomes a solid

Jason F

1,183 posts

285 months

Wednesday 18th July 2001
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I reckon you`ve got a winner there.... Speaking of Upholding the Law though, if plod abused me like I`d take his name and No. and have him charged with assault. Another question is if Plod if driving a nice marked police car does he have the right to undertake two cars and then speed off into the distance at well in excess of the speed limit.. Cause V916 *** thinks he can..

pitbull

Original Poster:

69 posts

285 months

Wednesday 18th July 2001
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Now don’t get me wrong I am not a small bloke (hence my nickname and the need of a 5Liter to haul me around). It happens to be one of those moments that was very fast, was over just as quickly and that you end up re-living quite a few times with " I should have ,,," Only thing hurt is my pride and another incident that shows just how low police candidate selection, training and continued professional development has stooped. The few times I have been involved with the police has been when I was burgled, too young to be driving an Esprit and catching a young chappy from stealing my neighbors car. Every time they have proved that the barrel is mostly rotten. When I grew up they needed the help of Shaw Taylor, now they just need replacing. The Pitbull Edited by pitbull on Wednesday 18th July 15:41

john robson

370 posts

278 months

Wednesday 18th July 2001
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I hope I am not being mis-understood here, but I am paid to do a job I always explain myself clearly and politly/asertivly as required. I am not paid to have abuse hurled at me. I do however appreciate that on occasions people are annoyed or upset and I make allowances for that. There is a limit to what anyone should have to put up with if that limit is overstepped then the offender gets arrested, whether it is me or another member of the public that is getting the abuse. I do not use my position as a police officer to win arguments, I use it to uphold the law. Most complaints against the police are investigated internally it is most definatly not covered up. You think some cops are B&*"!ds wait till you meet the ones who investigate complaints they really do go for it if it's genuine. As I've posted before they even go out to set cops up. Re the one about the cop undertaking and 'speeding' off. It depends what he was going to, I'm not defending anything, but it may have been a job. I've done it when you have got say 'Mr flat cap'n glasses trundling along, oblivious to everything in the righthand lane, job comes up you bang everything on he panics and causes mayhem. In that senario it's safer to silently do the undertake and leave him be. But please don't all jump on the bandwaggon it's only an example. Edited by john robson on Wednesday 18th July 16:53

pitbull

Original Poster:

69 posts

285 months

Wednesday 18th July 2001
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I have no grudge with yourself John as I have no prior knowledge of how you enact your vocation. My point in this string is that the police officers demand respect because of the position they hold. The general public however view them on the way they hold their position. I conclude as the reasonable party in this incident that he is a mere delinquent in a uniform ( this takes a few weeks) with a far lower IQ than myself ( unless his Ph.D. is science based like mine / Ted knows who I am ), and no real earning potential while driving a van for his pension, poor chap.

nmilton

449 posts

283 months

Wednesday 18th July 2001
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So in effect your advocating that, if we perceive PC Gobs***e has acted in an aggressive manner, we should carry out a citizens arrest and escort him to the nearest police station Joke by the way !

Jason F

1,183 posts

285 months

Wednesday 18th July 2001
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Pitbull, I can understand what you are saying, you probably couldn`t quite believe what was happening and so in hindsight it could/would have been diff.. John, the Copper was not using lights nor siren, and we were doing 50 ( well, slightly more cause I was in a Taxi -FlackJacket at the ready) and the guy just shot past us on the inside, tailgated a Mondeo, then shot off up the road, still silent. I am not having a go at you, you seem like a nice bloke ( you answer our questions honestly and give a Police perspective for which I and I am sure others are grateful ) But this is on top of watching marked cars pull away from me in a 30 limit, yet last Sunday there was an unmarked car sitting with a speed gun in Billericay ( Hidden nicely ). These things reduce my respect for PCs ( And the couple of friends that I have who drive and act like maniacs when out of uniform cause they have a get out of jail free ) I have also phoned the police to report cars stolen, and broken into, for 3 Sundays running - No clear pattern at all..no interest. I sat and waited for one hour in a car park for police to attend a car that I had spotted leaking petrol ( nice and safe eh ? ) and they still didn`t turn up when I had to leave I know there are plenty of nice police out there, and I am sure it is just a minority that behave in such a manner, as you say, at the end of the day they are human, but that is not really an excuse when you can have a person arrested if the shoe is on the other foot. Rant off..... For now..

smeagol

1,947 posts

285 months

Thursday 19th July 2001
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I often feel sorry for our police force as they often have to do jobs that none of us would like to (telling people their childs dead etc.) I myself have had to deal with people who are irrate, ill-mannered and most importantly ill-informed! Its not easy to keep cool calm and controlled when someone is calling you a liar and a w**ker to your face. Yes their are bad cops and good cops, people have bad and good days but overall its a good job they do. I'd rather have police people than police cameras anyday!