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Skyedriver

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17,895 posts

283 months

Wednesday 24th April
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Email today from HL - Investing in gilts
Now I have no idea how these things work and as the email suggests, it may not be for me.
Is there a "Learn yourself Gilts for Dummies?

C69

356 posts

13 months

Thursday 25th April
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HL's own 'What you need to know about buying government bonds (gilts)' looks like it covers the basics.

https://www.hl.co.uk/news/what-you-need-to-know-ab...

LeoSayer

7,308 posts

245 months

Thursday 25th April
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Backtothenorth

149 posts

87 months

Thursday 25th April
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Thank you LS, that is a brilliant video summary.

WayOutWest

758 posts

59 months

Thursday 25th April
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I think their email today relates to a new 5 year gilt at 4.125%

Around 5-8 yrs are offering the lowest yields at present, the 1 yr is 4.77% and then 15 yrs and up look a bit better.

But really no need to buy a newly issued gilt in any case. It isn't like you get much of a discount, if any.

I have noticed yields creeping up this past week, the 20-30 yr getting closer to 5% again, which I wasn't sure we'd see again.
Is this just current inflation expectations or will Labour nationalise everything they can and issue a stack more gilts to pay for it all, if so yields could climb higher?
Then there is the whole reshoring from China thing which would be inflationary on top of all the wars and net zero guff.

I'm with matey from PensionCraft really, prefer buying individual gilts with the intention to hold to maturity, rather than funds/ETFs.
Then you will never lose money in nominal terms, you just might regret not getting in at a better entry point if yields climb after buying.
As it is I'm building up from a 10% to 20% allocation to gilts over the next couple of years, so if anything I'd like yields to go higher.





Skyedriver

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17,895 posts

283 months

Friday 26th April
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Thanks for the helpful words, I'll watch that vid and the HL link, missed that yesterday.
(Yesterday - a day I'd like to forget but can't, couldn't sleep for fretting about it).

BobToc

1,776 posts

118 months

Friday 26th April
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I haven’t watched the video, but the most important point for me is that any capital gains are free from tax, so for higher rate taxpayers the net yields on some of discounted low-coupon issues are really quite attractive. www.yieldgimp.com, despite the slightly quirky name, shows this really well.

doogle83

760 posts

148 months

Sunday 28th April
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So just to confirm my understanding...

If you buy UNITED KINGDOM 0.625 07/06/2025 TG25 today for £0.9562 and hold it to maturity, then on 07/06/2025 you get your capital back at £1 per unit, and that gain is CGT exempt?


bitchstewie

51,395 posts

211 months

Sunday 28th April
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Yes.

Pretty good site here (as posted above) that shows them all.

https://www.yieldgimp.com

Broadly speaking you want the lowest coupon as you may are taxed on the coupon payments.

doogle83

760 posts

148 months

Sunday 28th April
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Perfect, thanks!

leef44

4,401 posts

154 months

Sunday 28th April
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doogle83 said:
So just to confirm my understanding...

If you buy UNITED KINGDOM 0.625 07/06/2025 TG25 today for £0.9562 and hold it to maturity, then on 07/06/2025 you get your capital back at £1 per unit, and that gain is CGT exempt?
Sorry this is all new to me so a couple of questions for those who are more knowledgeable

Would this give a straight forward gain from £0.9562 to £1 or are there accrued dividends to add onto the costs?

Are transaction costs negligible to buy and sell gilts?

LeoSayer

7,308 posts

245 months

Sunday 28th April
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leef44 said:
doogle83 said:
So just to confirm my understanding...

If you buy UNITED KINGDOM 0.625 07/06/2025 TG25 today for £0.9562 and hold it to maturity, then on 07/06/2025 you get your capital back at £1 per unit, and that gain is CGT exempt?
Sorry this is all new to me so a couple of questions for those who are more knowledgeable

Would this give a straight forward gain from £0.9562 to £1 or are there accrued dividends to add onto the costs?

Are transaction costs negligible to buy and sell gilts?
Two things to note:

You will receive income of 0.625 for every £1 nominal every 6 months which will be on: 7/6/24, 7/12/24 and 7/6/25.

The price you quoted above is the clean price. When you buy it, the price you pay will be the dirty price which is the clean price + the accrued interest you are buying for the next coupon date (7/6/24).

Different brokers have different charges for trading.

Edited by LeoSayer on Monday 29th April 16:55

Greenmantle

1,277 posts

109 months

Monday 29th April
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This is a really useful thread

Quick summary for me

average online dealing charges seems to be £5.00 per trade from the 7 listed companies in the video.
average monthly charge seems to be £3.50

so if I was to purchase gilts and hold to maturity for 5 years then charges would come in at about £215.

bitchstewie

51,395 posts

211 months

Monday 29th April
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Depends on the platform.

iweb don't charge a platform fee and I think they sell gilts so you'd pay a fiver to buy/sell but nothing else.

Greenmantle

1,277 posts

109 months

Monday 29th April
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bhstewie said:
Depends on the platform.

iweb don't charge a platform fee and I think they sell gilts so you'd pay a fiver to buy/sell but nothing else.
thanks stewie - just spoke to Iweb (overseas contact which seemed a bit poor in my mind)
they couldnt tell me what account to open - obviously I'm thinking "share dealing" just poor that it doesnt mention guilts.
do you know if there is a phone app as well?

bitchstewie

51,395 posts

211 months

Monday 29th April
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Greenmantle said:
thanks stewie - just spoke to Iweb (overseas contact which seemed a bit poor in my mind)
they couldnt tell me what account to open - obviously I'm thinking "share dealing" just poor that it doesnt mention guilts.
do you know if there is a phone app as well?
Odd as I use them and far as I know their call centre is somewhere "up north" as they're part of Lloyds Bank Group.

The service is very no frills so no apps or stuff like that but they've been around ages, are owned by Lloyds, and you can hold massive portfolios on there with no platform fees.

The account type would depend but most likely a share dealing account or an ISA.

Ken_Code

444 posts

3 months

Monday 29th April
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Skyedriver said:
Email today from HL - Investing in gilts
Now I have no idea how these things work and as the email suggests, it may not be for me.
Is there a "Learn yourself Gilts for Dummies?
No need for a whole book.

Gilts are UK government debt, rightly viewed as being the safest possible investment in terms of credit risk; the government will not default on debt denominated in GBP.

Buyers of a gilt get a coupon each six months and then get their money back in full on the maturity date.