The British Army and "Beasting".......
Discussion
Even although I am in the RAF and it is 'softer' than the Army I would say that the worst thing I, or anyone else could do is get done for bullying, I would even go so far as to say it is a career killer, I am led to believe that all three services follow the same guidelines as well.
I'm sure many of you out there would be surprised at just many equality & diversity briefs we have to sit through, the message that bullying is bad (mmm'kay) is certainly being put across.
I'm sure many of you out there would be surprised at just many equality & diversity briefs we have to sit through, the message that bullying is bad (mmm'kay) is certainly being put across.
Wacky Racer said:
Do you want the truth?raf_gti said:
Even although I am in the RAF and it is 'softer' than the Army I would say that the worst thing I, or anyone else could do is get done for bullying, I would even go so far as to say it is a career killer, I am led to believe that all three services follow the same guidelines as well.
I'm sure many of you out there would be surprised at just many equality & diversity briefs we have to sit through, the message that bullying is bad (mmm'kay) is certainly being put across.
Mate of mine finished his squaddie training at christmas, and is doing more training now. He said exactly that.I'm sure many of you out there would be surprised at just many equality & diversity briefs we have to sit through, the message that bullying is bad (mmm'kay) is certainly being put across.
Tony*T3 said:
Wacky Racer said:
Do you want the truth?I don't think this is purely about beasting.
Everyone get's beasted. I remember being punished by having to carry telegraph poles on a cross country run, or tread water for hours on end.
that's different.
It looks like these two have been subjected to in-house bullying and threats, which frankly, is out of order.
Everyone get's beasted. I remember being punished by having to carry telegraph poles on a cross country run, or tread water for hours on end.
that's different.
It looks like these two have been subjected to in-house bullying and threats, which frankly, is out of order.
Edited by Cara Van Man on Saturday 14th March 10:18
One more reason I'd not want to join the military.
I'm curious as to how this is really relevant often, does marching soldiers in circles or having them paint coal white make them better at avoiding bullets and IEDs in the deserts of Afghanistan? Wouldn't their time be better spent teaching them how to walk, talk, look and behave like an Afghan so they can blend in with locals and conduct covert operations?
Will people look back in 50 years and see "modern" military training as we see our soldiers dressing in red and fighting in formations?
I'm curious as to how this is really relevant often, does marching soldiers in circles or having them paint coal white make them better at avoiding bullets and IEDs in the deserts of Afghanistan? Wouldn't their time be better spent teaching them how to walk, talk, look and behave like an Afghan so they can blend in with locals and conduct covert operations?
Will people look back in 50 years and see "modern" military training as we see our soldiers dressing in red and fighting in formations?
speedy_thrills said:
One more reason I'd not want to join the military.
I'm curious as to how this is really relevant often, does marching soldiers in circles or having them paint coal white make them better at avoiding bullets and IEDs in the deserts of Afghanistan? Wouldn't their time be better spent teaching them how to walk, talk, look and behave like an Afghan so they can blend in with locals and conduct covert operations?
Not relevant.I'm curious as to how this is really relevant often, does marching soldiers in circles or having them paint coal white make them better at avoiding bullets and IEDs in the deserts of Afghanistan? Wouldn't their time be better spent teaching them how to walk, talk, look and behave like an Afghan so they can blend in with locals and conduct covert operations?
we have units who do this sort of thing. These are regular grunts.
and yes, all the 'bulls
t' tasks are about discipline, learning to do what you are told, 'character building', trust and bonding.Edited by Cara Van Man on Saturday 14th March 10:36
speedy_thrills said:
One more reason I'd not want to join the military.
I'm curious as to how this is really relevant often, does marching soldiers in circles or having them paint coal white make them better at avoiding bullets and IEDs in the deserts of Afghanistan? Wouldn't their time be better spent teaching them how to walk, talk, look and behave like an Afghan so they can blend in with locals and conduct covert operations?
Will people look back in 50 years and see "modern" military training as we see our soldiers dressing in red and fighting in formations?
Marching and all that malarkey is just another tool to instill discipline and together-ness, if you are made to do things which are not exactly to your liking you would be surprised perhaps to find how much of a bond that it creates amongst you.I'm curious as to how this is really relevant often, does marching soldiers in circles or having them paint coal white make them better at avoiding bullets and IEDs in the deserts of Afghanistan? Wouldn't their time be better spent teaching them how to walk, talk, look and behave like an Afghan so they can blend in with locals and conduct covert operations?
Will people look back in 50 years and see "modern" military training as we see our soldiers dressing in red and fighting in formations?
'Aggresive training' is more about breaking the free will of an indevidual so that they will follow orders without thought and question in times of extreme fear etc. This is how you 'make' soldiers out of civvies. It is also a way of showing people that they have a reserve of energy and bravery that they never realised. A way of showing them that their "i',m giving 100%" is actiually around 65%.
This bullying (being glorified as 'beasting') is the application of fear and violence to gain a superior advantage over weaker targets. Its usually done by indeviduals or groups that dont have the right authority and beleive they are doing it 'for the best' when in reality they are doing more harm than good. Its usually done by self important wkers that wont go any further than junior leader, and that will be an error of someones judgement.
This bullying (being glorified as 'beasting') is the application of fear and violence to gain a superior advantage over weaker targets. Its usually done by indeviduals or groups that dont have the right authority and beleive they are doing it 'for the best' when in reality they are doing more harm than good. Its usually done by self important w
kers that wont go any further than junior leader, and that will be an error of someones judgement.Tony*T3 said:
'Aggresive training' is more about breaking the free will of an indevidual so that they will follow orders without thought and question in times of extreme fear etc. This is how you 'make' soldiers out of civvies. It is also a way of showing people that they have a reserve of energy and bravery that they never realised. A way of showing them that their "i',m giving 100%" is actiually around 65%.
This bullying (being glorified as 'beasting') is the application of fear and violence to gain a superior advantage over weaker targets. Its usually done by indeviduals or groups that dont have the right authority and beleive they are doing it 'for the best' when in reality they are doing more harm than good. Its usually done by self important wkers that wont go any further than junior leader, and that will be an error of someones judgement.
Agree with this, also.This bullying (being glorified as 'beasting') is the application of fear and violence to gain a superior advantage over weaker targets. Its usually done by indeviduals or groups that dont have the right authority and beleive they are doing it 'for the best' when in reality they are doing more harm than good. Its usually done by self important w
kers that wont go any further than junior leader, and that will be an error of someones judgement.speedy_thrills said:
One more reason I'd not want to join the military.
I'm curious as to how this is really relevant often, does marching soldiers in circles or having them paint coal white make them better at avoiding bullets and IEDs in the deserts of Afghanistan? Wouldn't their time be better spent teaching them how to walk, talk, look and behave like an Afghan so they can blend in with locals and conduct covert operations?
Will people look back in 50 years and see "modern" military training as we see our soldiers dressing in red and fighting in formations?
Mostly bI'm curious as to how this is really relevant often, does marching soldiers in circles or having them paint coal white make them better at avoiding bullets and IEDs in the deserts of Afghanistan? Wouldn't their time be better spent teaching them how to walk, talk, look and behave like an Afghan so they can blend in with locals and conduct covert operations?
Will people look back in 50 years and see "modern" military training as we see our soldiers dressing in red and fighting in formations?
ks, chaps.An undisciplined rabble is an undisciplined rabble, whether it it is Helmand or Hartlepool. In my limited experience the Army is in no way about mindless brutality, pointless tasks and bullying. What it is about is hard training, self discipline, organisation, pride and self confidence. The latter are not created by gender equality courses and the like.
Beasting is a colloquial rerm for the initial period of discipline and training which a recruit undergoes, and is not in any way the same as bullying, which is a form of indiscipline and which should rightly be stamped out. Someone who is going to crack under a bit of beasting is going to crack in service when others will be dependent on him/her. I have seen the unlikeliest of characters crack, and all I would say is they self selected themselves for ejection.
Edited by cardigankid on Saturday 14th March 10:56
Cara Van Man said:
Tony*T3 said:
'Aggresive training' is more about breaking the free will of an indevidual so that they will follow orders without thought and question in times of extreme fear etc. This is how you 'make' soldiers out of civvies. It is also a way of showing people that they have a reserve of energy and bravery that they never realised. A way of showing them that their "i',m giving 100%" is actiually around 65%.
This bullying (being glorified as 'beasting') is the application of fear and violence to gain a superior advantage over weaker targets. Its usually done by indeviduals or groups that dont have the right authority and beleive they are doing it 'for the best' when in reality they are doing more harm than good. Its usually done by self important wkers that wont go any further than junior leader, and that will be an error of someones judgement.
Agree with this, also.This bullying (being glorified as 'beasting') is the application of fear and violence to gain a superior advantage over weaker targets. Its usually done by indeviduals or groups that dont have the right authority and beleive they are doing it 'for the best' when in reality they are doing more harm than good. Its usually done by self important w
kers that wont go any further than junior leader, and that will be an error of someones judgement.A "proper beasting" is actually good fun. It sounds daft, but one can feel oneself getting stronger as a result.
...mmmm, having said that, maybe I mean that I enjoy finishing a beasting. Ie it makes me feel satisfied and stronger?
cardigankid said:
An undisciplined rabble is an undisciplined rabble
You all make excellent points. So why is it an army finds it so difficult to adapt to different environments?I mean killing militia in durkadurkastan should be easy right? They have little training, are poorly equiped, have little in the way of sophisticated intelligence networks and no air support.In fact the only things they have going for them is that they can do a very good impression of a civilian from durkadurkastan? Yet, somehow, whatever they do obviously works quite well.
speedy_thrills said:
cardigankid said:
An undisciplined rabble is an undisciplined rabble
You all make excellent points. So why is it an army finds it so difficult to adapt to different environments?I mean killing militia in durkadurkastan should be easy right? They have little training, are poorly equiped, have little in the way of sophisticated intelligence networks and no air support.In fact the only things they have going for them is that they can do a very good impression of a civilian from durkadurkastan? Yet, somehow, whatever they do obviously works quite well.
If we could simply bomb the s
t out of them it would be a lot easier but we are there to defend and not attack.speedy_thrills said:
cardigankid said:
An undisciplined rabble is an undisciplined rabble
You all make excellent points. So why is it an army finds it so difficult to adapt to different environments?I mean killing militia in durkadurkastan should be easy right? They have little training, are poorly equiped, have little in the way of sophisticated intelligence networks and no air support.In fact the only things they have going for them is that they can do a very good impression of a civilian from durkadurkastan? Yet, somehow, whatever they do obviously works quite well.
And remember, they are not new to it. they have had years of practice against the Russians and each other.
Edited by Cara Van Man on Saturday 14th March 11:23
I was in the Army and then transferred to the RAF and have seen beasting in both. But beasting is NOT bullying, it's about pushing someone to their very limits and then beyond them - after all if they can't handle that in a nice green field in the UK how are they going to handle it in a war-zone when getting shot at, (or bombed by the Septics)?
Bullying is a vicious, spirit-destroying cancer and has never been tolerated in all the years I was in because it destroys the team spirit that they have taken so long to build up.
In my 22 years combined I saw 2 occasions of bullying, where the bully was severely punished, and one of racism, where the racist was thrown out of the RAF. One of the bullying occasions it was me who reported a fellow training Corporal for physically hitting a young female recruit, and I had the full support of my superiors.
Despite what the media would have you believe, bullying is taken very seriously and is always punished. Unfortunately, as in every other walk of life, there are a few bad apples who give everyone a bad name.
Bullying is a vicious, spirit-destroying cancer and has never been tolerated in all the years I was in because it destroys the team spirit that they have taken so long to build up.
In my 22 years combined I saw 2 occasions of bullying, where the bully was severely punished, and one of racism, where the racist was thrown out of the RAF. One of the bullying occasions it was me who reported a fellow training Corporal for physically hitting a young female recruit, and I had the full support of my superiors.
Despite what the media would have you believe, bullying is taken very seriously and is always punished. Unfortunately, as in every other walk of life, there are a few bad apples who give everyone a bad name.
Dixie68 said:
I was in the Army and then transferred to the RAF and have seen beasting in both. But beasting is NOT bullying, it's about pushing someone to their very limits and then beyond them - after all if they can't handle that in a nice green field in the UK how are they going to handle it in a war-zone when getting shot at, (or bombed by the Septics)?
Bullying is a vicious, spirit-destroying cancer and has never been tolerated in all the years I was in because it destroys the team spirit that they have taken so long to build up.
In my 22 years combined I saw 2 occasions of bullying, where the bully was severely punished, and one of racism, where the racist was thrown out of the RAF. One of the bullying occasions it was me who reported a fellow training Corporal for physically hitting a young female recruit, and I had the full support of my superiors.
Despite what the media would have you believe, bullying is taken very seriously and is always punished. Unfortunately, as in every other walk of life, there are a few bad apples who give everyone a bad name.
Best summary yet. Thanks.Bullying is a vicious, spirit-destroying cancer and has never been tolerated in all the years I was in because it destroys the team spirit that they have taken so long to build up.
In my 22 years combined I saw 2 occasions of bullying, where the bully was severely punished, and one of racism, where the racist was thrown out of the RAF. One of the bullying occasions it was me who reported a fellow training Corporal for physically hitting a young female recruit, and I had the full support of my superiors.
Despite what the media would have you believe, bullying is taken very seriously and is always punished. Unfortunately, as in every other walk of life, there are a few bad apples who give everyone a bad name.
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