Any Paint Experts in the House?

Any Paint Experts in the House?

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Glassman

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Saturday 23rd March
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I have a question (or discussion) for a paint specialist; not so much someone who is good at painting cars, but someone who understands the science of paint adhesion and bonding especially the switch from solvent based to water based paints.




Glassman

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Saturday 23rd March
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jeff666 said:
I have used both products,

Not really had a problem with either of them, just follow the TDS.

I do however prefer solvent over WB. What is your issue ?
If a car has had a bare metal repaint, and a windscreen is bonded to that fresh paint (long after bake/cure etc) something in the adhesive is attacking the paint/clear coat/bond and it lifts off. You never got this issue with solvent.

The painters I have worked with have paid extra attention to prep and we are satisfied that it is not a factor. It's something in the PUR and adhesion promoter.

We are now trying other methods.

Interestingly, a new bodyshell from Porsche comes with a masked line/area where the PUR goes which makes the acknowledgment that the e-coat is the best substrate?

Glassman

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Sunday 24th March
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Some examples:





https://www.instagram.com/reel/CoDMH4WIHZ3/?utm_so...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHXu46OF6Cf/?utm_sourc...

I don't know all the bodyshops, but one I do know of one as they are used by a well known Porsche indy.

Much of what you see here can be attributed to bad, or insufficient prep, but I've put a screen in after a bare metal repaint and about a year later the owner needed the windscreen replaced after it cracked from a stone strike. The same happened: paint peeled off with the polyurethane adhesive.

I think it's significant that some cars (especially Porsche) are not painted on the windscreen bond line. The e-coat is left exposed. Other cars don't do this. Could it be something to do with galvanised metal? If you dip or blast a galvanised metal car, what happens to that substrate when you repaint it?

Glassman

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Friday 19th April
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This is what a 992 bodyshell looks like from factory.

Glassman

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Bluevanman said:
That's not screen adhesive.
Oh, really?

Glassman

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Bluevanman said:
Glassman said:
Oh, really?
How can it be if it's been painted over
I fit windscreens for a living.

Glassman

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Saturday 20th April
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Bluevanman said:
Glassman said:
I fit windscreens for a living.
And ?
If that's screen adhesive how come it's body colour?
The bodyshell in the picture was ordered from Porsche. This is how it arrived; in colour. There was a masked line where the windscreen adhesive makes contact when you eventually come to fit the glass. I p[eeled that tape off. The connection to my original post is that it is clearly seen as a better substrate for PUR to bond to.