Policing of pro Palestinian marches
Discussion
this isn't about the rights or wrongs of the conflict in Israel, people are entitled to their views and to be sympathetic to one or the other side.
However what is the feeling about the way the police, especially the Met have policed the gatherings. Some of the speeches seem to be a bit OTT and according to Talk TV, or was it GB News, the police have refused to log crimes as hate crimes such as the vandalise of the Jewish owned restaurant.
I know the police are in a difficult position and need to tread carefully but they also need to apply the law# equally.
However what is the feeling about the way the police, especially the Met have policed the gatherings. Some of the speeches seem to be a bit OTT and according to Talk TV, or was it GB News, the police have refused to log crimes as hate crimes such as the vandalise of the Jewish owned restaurant.
I know the police are in a difficult position and need to tread carefully but they also need to apply the law# equally.
Earthdweller said:
We have a small ( relatively ) unarmed Police service with no paramilitary capability and an ethos of policing by consent
Our peer nations, other than Ireland, police by authority and command
The Met mustered 1k police to control umpteen 1000’s of angry protesters.. to say that it only involves 7 arrests and no significant disorder is a WIN on the day
The U.K. are very good at Evidence gathering and arresting offernders post event
In New York, comparable size, the NYPD put 48k officers on the street on Saturday in uniform
In France there has been serious disorder, likewise Germany and they have Police forces three times the size of the U.K. with large paramilitary elements
Really I don’t think the U.K. and in particular the Met deserve criticism in this case as the number 1 priority is keeping the peace and it seems they succeeded very well on Saturday
As for GB News reports let’s just take them with a pinch of salt
I kind of agree, but even the terrorist watch dog have shown concern. Our peer nations, other than Ireland, police by authority and command
The Met mustered 1k police to control umpteen 1000’s of angry protesters.. to say that it only involves 7 arrests and no significant disorder is a WIN on the day
The U.K. are very good at Evidence gathering and arresting offernders post event
In New York, comparable size, the NYPD put 48k officers on the street on Saturday in uniform
In France there has been serious disorder, likewise Germany and they have Police forces three times the size of the U.K. with large paramilitary elements
Really I don’t think the U.K. and in particular the Met deserve criticism in this case as the number 1 priority is keeping the peace and it seems they succeeded very well on Saturday
As for GB News reports let’s just take them with a pinch of salt
You have people like Richard Barnard of the Palestinian Action/Extension Rebellion encouraging breaking the law yet as far as i know he has not been arrested, contrast this to the anti monarchy protesters, Lawrence Fox for example or Tommy Robinson - not that I support the English defence league or what ever organisation he ran.
Some interesting videos
Islamic Prayers outside downing Street
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bZb9eHZQCg
Sat protest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDjhvQWVibc&t=...
This is capitol Hill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdEpj-cuFIo
Islamic Prayers outside downing Street
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bZb9eHZQCg
Sat protest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDjhvQWVibc&t=...
This is capitol Hill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdEpj-cuFIo
Still don't get why the Sarah Everarad vigil was legal?
The Met seemed to think it is an offence to protest at the kings coronation and arrested people just in case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9b6knPsJ5E
I know the police are in a difficult spot here, but laws need to be enforced evenly.
The Met seemed to think it is an offence to protest at the kings coronation and arrested people just in case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9b6knPsJ5E
I know the police are in a difficult spot here, but laws need to be enforced evenly.
Given the fact the police arrest people for non crime hate speech it is difficult for me at least to understand the Mets stance on this issue.
Agree with Julia Hartley-Brewer on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd5qEHC7-QY
Anyone surprised by the numbers at these pro Palestine rallies. While I understand some people will have a grievance towards Israel, I am shocked by how many people are attending these marches not just in London but Manchester, Glasgow and elsewhere.
Agree with Julia Hartley-Brewer on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd5qEHC7-QY
Anyone surprised by the numbers at these pro Palestine rallies. While I understand some people will have a grievance towards Israel, I am shocked by how many people are attending these marches not just in London but Manchester, Glasgow and elsewhere.
williamp said:
I was thinking about the woman who gets arrested for silently praying, she should tell the officers she is praying for Jihad.
The Met chief has called for more laws saying he can't arrest anyone under the current outdated laws
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67190812
Mojooo said:
1 - I don't think the Police can ban it even if they wanted to - people will turn up. An ex-Policemen said on the media the other day its better to have a planned protest rather than 100,000 random people converging on London...it could end in chaosg.
The police can stop coaches and trains from completing the journey, I am sure the tactic has been used before.If the majority of the crowd is there to protest peacefully there shouldn't be a problem arresting a few individuals who are breaking the law and intimidating others, indeed they should welcome it. Surely there shouldn't be one side of the other and both sides should be against loss of life on both sides,.
Why are these people no anti Russia and China marches?
Countdown said:
There have been tens of thousands of people marching in hundreds of marches over multiple weekends. The vast, vast majority of them have been peaceful (despite various people trying to whip up some kind of frenzy and labelling them "hate marches")
Based on that I'm very confident that Britain remains a free, tolerant, and democratic society. It's ironic that those bleating about "fighting for a free tolerant Britian etc etc" are the ones trying to actively stop freedom, tolerance, and democratic rights.
Nut most of them are supporting one side, that isn't so peaceful. Based on that I'm very confident that Britain remains a free, tolerant, and democratic society. It's ironic that those bleating about "fighting for a free tolerant Britian etc etc" are the ones trying to actively stop freedom, tolerance, and democratic rights.
Countdown said:
"From the river to the sea" isn't anti-semitic just because Zionists say it is.
So what is it then? At the same time we hear free free Palestine, calls for Jihad, you have mobs outside McDonald intimidating people and incidents of mice being thrown into the shops because McDonalds have branches in Israel you have to be the boss of the met to believe these chants are not antii Israeli What is happening in Palestine and West Bank is awful, but if they are peace marches why are they not calling for the freeing of the hostages, stopping of firing of rockets and protesting of the killing of children in Ukraine too?
Countdown said:
Ridgemont said:
That may indeed be the very point some people are despairing about. Like how an ex head of Hamas gets a council house in Barnet…
if you're a supposed "Ex Head of Hamas" why can't you get a Council House?I wonder if it might be because it's a bulls
t accusation without any material evidence to back it up?Edit: I think I posted from Mahyar Tousi TV a clip of the police stopping and ordering vans from the Israeli community with images of the hostages to leave the area.
Edited by Oliver Hardy on Thursday 9th November 15:38
S600BSB said:
300,00 felt about right to me. Was a great turnout and something we can be proud of for once in broken Britain. From the news reports I have seen today it also made the far right loons look really silly, so a win win.
Why be proud of fact that there are so many far left supporters of a terrorist group in the UK?Now the broken record bit...
If it is a march for peace it should be both pro Palestine and pro Israeli, but supporting just one side, that is no march for peace.
Countdown said:
…and Israel isn’t trying to make peace with the Palestinian Authority because? And continues to annex land in the West Bank and build settlements?
Hamas is a handy excuse for continuing the oppression of Palestinians. If and when they’re eliminated it will be Islamic Jihad, or Hezbollah, or Iran….
The West Bank was never Palestinian land, it used to be part of Jorden until Israel was attacked by them and the Israeli military pushed them back in 1967.Hamas is a handy excuse for continuing the oppression of Palestinians. If and when they’re eliminated it will be Islamic Jihad, or Hezbollah, or Iran….
psi310398 said:
Oliver Hardy said:
The West Bank was never Palestinian land, it used to be part of Jorden until Israel was attacked by them and the Israeli military pushed them back in 1967.
Odd argument. So displacing and murdering Palestinian people is ok because they are Jordanian nationals rather than stateless Palestinians? AW111 said:
The thing is, the natural lords and masters (Sunak, Braverman, et al) have declared that the marchers are terrorist sympathisers and Islamic trouble makers.
So the right-wing sheep on here swallow their medicine like the gullible little lambs they are, and parrot "Hamas"! "Extremist"! while pretending they are thinking for themselves.
Sad, but predictable.
But they are, they ignore the fact that Israel gets attacked by the state of Palestine, that their forces are engaging Israeli troops in battles, firing rockets, holding hostages.So the right-wing sheep on here swallow their medicine like the gullible little lambs they are, and parrot "Hamas"! "Extremist"! while pretending they are thinking for themselves.
Sad, but predictable.
Maybe there are these that are right wing sheep but there seem to be far more sheep on the left wing.
TTwiggy said:
crankedup5 said:
don'tbesilly said:
GB News has been told to stop filming outside Parliament by the Police apparently and told to move on.
I wonder why?
Using the wrong filters on their camera lenses I reckon I wonder why?
Talk TV investigation on preaching in Mosques
https://www.youtube.com/@CoreyGilShusterAskProject...
No prizes as to the response of the Met
This young lady apparently attends Durham University
https://youtu.be/HjXEAjfs8XI?t=529
And off topic but part of the same video as above, where does the phrase good morning come from
https://youtu.be/HjXEAjfs8XI?t=373
LOL, now we are enlightened
https://www.youtube.com/@CoreyGilShusterAskProject...
No prizes as to the response of the Met
This young lady apparently attends Durham University
https://youtu.be/HjXEAjfs8XI?t=529
And off topic but part of the same video as above, where does the phrase good morning come from
https://youtu.be/HjXEAjfs8XI?t=373
LOL, now we are enlightened
Slowboathome said:
Countdown said:
I thought he w
As arrested for attending a march in support of British Jews? Not sure why it’s got anything to do with Muslims….
He was arrested because he was likely to cause alarm and distress.As arrested for attending a march in support of British Jews? Not sure why it’s got anything to do with Muslims….
For the past few weekends central London has seen lots of Muslims causing alarm and distress.
Who are the march organisers to dictate who walks the street?
So what was Tommy Robinson there for? So he used to be in the EDF. We had Prime Ministers who used to belong to thuggish clubs that smashed up restaurants ie David Cameron and ten names Boris Johnson.
And we have the met who can't arrest people when calling for Jihad, the rape of Jews, climb all over status, intimidate people going into McDonalds but can arrest someone who might do something.
And we have the met who can't arrest people when calling for Jihad, the rape of Jews, climb all over status, intimidate people going into McDonalds but can arrest someone who might do something.
Greendubber said:
Oliver Hardy said:
And we have the met who can't arrest people when calling for Jihad, the rape of Jews, climb all over status, intimidate people going into McDonalds but can arrest someone who might do something.
Do we?https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/hamas-gaza-...
https://news.sky.com/story/second-arrest-over-pro-...
Plenty of arrests are taking place, those are just a couple of examples. Climbing on statues isn't illegal.
Edited by Greendubber on Monday 27th November 08:26
CT05 Nose Cone said:
"From the river to the sea" is apparently ok according to the Met.
https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/17606311752...
Yet Christian Preachers get threatened with arresthttps://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/17606311752...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13080819/...
No one in most cases can really tell who is Jewish and who isn't in a crowd unless someone decides to dress up in the Jewish attire, can they?
It has to be accepted the police have a difficult job to do in these situations and letting some offences slide is probably necessary, but what I have an issue with current policing is that they are not dealing with the very aggressive individuals who are spouting hatred, there are calls and signs that call for violence. Preachers in the mosques where/are preachers and get recorded calling for Jewish deaths yet the police say no crimes are committed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5irQUXb-1A&t=...
The claims by the police that calling for Jihad that it can mean many things and yes it is true it can but context of over throwing the Israeli state surely the meaning is obvious. No action seems to have been brought against these celebrating the Hamas attack on Israel I can't find the video now but the Sunderland student who went on X to declare how great she felt about the attack and hoped it would happen again, was she ever prosecuted or even arrested?
Contrast that to the swift response of the police against Tommy (I know two names) Robinson, Lawrence Fox and others and others.
It has to be accepted the police have a difficult job to do in these situations and letting some offences slide is probably necessary, but what I have an issue with current policing is that they are not dealing with the very aggressive individuals who are spouting hatred, there are calls and signs that call for violence. Preachers in the mosques where/are preachers and get recorded calling for Jewish deaths yet the police say no crimes are committed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5irQUXb-1A&t=...
The claims by the police that calling for Jihad that it can mean many things and yes it is true it can but context of over throwing the Israeli state surely the meaning is obvious. No action seems to have been brought against these celebrating the Hamas attack on Israel I can't find the video now but the Sunderland student who went on X to declare how great she felt about the attack and hoped it would happen again, was she ever prosecuted or even arrested?
Contrast that to the swift response of the police against Tommy (I know two names) Robinson, Lawrence Fox and others and others.
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