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How many council workers does it take to change a light bulb

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Puggit

Original Poster:

34,561 posts

145 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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A light bulb on a road sign, 10 feet of the ground.

Answer - only 1.

But he required a cherry picker, harness, high-viz jacket, helmet, harness, cones, direction road-sign, enclosure and 25 minutes...

Daily Mail link



OK, it wasn't a real council worker but a sub-contractor from Southern Elec



Corsair7

9,321 posts

144 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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Puggit said:
A light bulb on a road sign, 10 feet of the ground.

Answer - only 1.

But he required a cherry picker, harness, high-viz jacket, helmet, harness, cones, direction road-sign, enclosure and 25 minutes...

Daily Mail link



OK, it wasn't a real council worker but a sub-contractor from Southern Elec
So what? He was proabably using the same equipment he uses for replacing normal road light bulbs - which are usually 30' in the air. Sure it looks odd using it for a job where a small step ladder would have sufficed, but thats only a small part of the story.

If you continue to feed the daily mail with publicity over its non stories then they will continue to print them.


RemainAllHoof

59,508 posts

179 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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In fairness, he needs the cone and road sign because some idiot will get too close when driving round the vehicle and clip it because he/she is on the phone/talking to precious on the back seat/opening a sandwich/dancing to Cher Lloyd.

But I do wonder why he doesn't have a ladder for that job. Sledgehammer/nut. biggrin

Puggit

Original Poster:

34,561 posts

145 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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Corsair7 said:
So what?
Imagine he had to change 10 of those low level light bulbs in the same town centre...

Corsair7

9,321 posts

144 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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RemainAllHoof said:
In fairness, he needs the cone and road sign because some idiot will get too close when driving round the vehicle and clip it because he/she is on the phone/talking to precious on the back seat/opening a sandwich/dancing to Cher Lloyd.

But I do wonder why he doesn't have a ladder for that job. Sledgehammer/nut. biggrin
Man from Sky came to fit a new satalitte dish the other day. He needed to get on to our flat roof extension to reach the current dish. He had a ladder, but I wasn't allowed to hold it for him whilst he climbed it the 10' to our roof. He HAD to drill holes in our wall and fit securing bolts to anchor his ladder to. Sky insist on this. They would fire him if they found out he didnt do it. So he drilled holes in my wall and out temporary fastenings in so he could climb a ladder 10 foot.

I'm surprised they didnt mandate scaffolding, quite frankly. (or even a 'cherry picker'!!)

Corsair7

9,321 posts

144 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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Puggit said:
magine he had to change 10 of those low level light bulbs in the same town centre...
indeed, on his own, with no one getting hurt.....

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

101 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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RemainAllHoof said:
In fairness, he needs the cone and road sign because some idiot will get too close when driving round the vehicle and clip it because he/she is on the phone/talking to precious on the back seat/opening a sandwich/dancing to Cher Lloyd.

But I do wonder why he doesn't have a ladder for that job. Sledgehammer/nut. biggrin
So he drives around in a van which has a built in cherry picker

Put yourself in his shoes

Will you open the back of the van out and drag out the step ladder or will you jump in the cherry picker.

Or put it another way

Yesterday the wife wanted me to dig a hole in the garden to plant stuff in.

Did i use the spade or did i amble across the lawn in my digger?





Countdown

12,335 posts

93 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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At the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious

There will be a "procedure" for changing lightbulbs
It will say that "X" method should be used, where "X" is the safest way of doing it

If the employee doesn't do "X" he/she might well be disciplined
If "X" isn't the safest method the Company may leave itself open to claims if something goesa wrong.

And in any case, so what? Its not exactly the end of the world is it?

Tsippy

7,007 posts

66 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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I would hope you used Bagger 288 hehe

Johnnytheboy

11,700 posts

83 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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Countdown said:
At the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious

There will be a "procedure" for changing lightbulbs
It will say that "X" method should be used, where "X" is the safest way of doing it

If the employee doesn't do "X" he/she might well be disciplined
If "X" isn't the safest method the Company may leave itself open to claims if something goesa wrong.

And in any case, so what? Its not exactly the end of the world is it?
...and frequently the operator will know damn well that "X" method is daft and due to the law of unintended consequences more risky than how he used to do it. But he won't have any input on this because it's "the rules".

Corsair7

9,321 posts

144 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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thinfourth2 said:
Yesterday the wife wanted me to dig a hole in the garden to plant stuff in.

Did i use the spade or did i amble across the lawn in my digger?
Clearly, if you are a PHer (or a 'real man'), you'd have used the digger. Or Dynamite.

RemainAllHoof

59,508 posts

179 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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thinfourth2 said:
So he drives around in a van which has a built in cherry picker

Put yourself in his shoes

Will you open the back of the van out and drag out the step ladder or will you jump in the cherry picker.

Or put it another way

Yesterday the wife wanted me to dig a hole in the garden to plant stuff in.

Did i use the spade or did i amble across the lawn in my digger?
I'd get out a step ladder. A lot quicker than having to bugger about with that thing.

The hole - doesn't that depend on the size of the hole and the size of the digger.


RemainAllHoof

59,508 posts

179 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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Corsair7 said:
thinfourth2 said:
Yesterday the wife wanted me to dig a hole in the garden to plant stuff in.

Did i use the spade or did i amble across the lawn in my digger?
Clearly, if you are a PHer (or a 'real man'), you'd have used the digger. Or Dynamite.
hehe At times like these, you have to ask yourself: What would Clarkson do?


thinfourth2

32,414 posts

101 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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RemainAllHoof said:
Corsair7 said:
thinfourth2 said:
Yesterday the wife wanted me to dig a hole in the garden to plant stuff in.

Did i use the spade or did i amble across the lawn in my digger?
Clearly, if you are a PHer (or a 'real man'), you'd have used the digger. Or Dynamite.
hehe At times like these, you have to ask yourself: What would Clarkson do?

I will admit to taking a caravan apart with a chainsaw and a landrover.

The wife was understanding on coming home to find a caravan lying on its side in the carvan while i liberated the chassis

DS3R

1,091 posts

63 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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Now this...
RemainAllHoof said:
/dancing to Cher Lloyd.
Is just fantasy.

alangla

1,093 posts

78 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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RemainAllHoof said:
I'd get out a step ladder. A lot quicker than having to bugger about with that thing.
He might have had to move it anyway - on a lot of vans the cherry picker sits against the back doors when it's in its transit position!

AJS-

12,844 posts

133 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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Couldn't they have had a set of step ladders in the back of the van?

I don't think anyone means to actually have a go at the man changing the lightbulb. It's the silly procedures behind it that are at fault.

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

101 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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AJS- said:
Couldn't they have had a set of step ladders in the back of the van?

I don't think anyone means to actually have a go at the man changing the lightbulb. It's the silly procedures behind it that are at fault.
Do you really think that a stepladder would be quicker?

If you have a cherry picker sat next to you why would you use a step ladder.

Do you think a steplader would be easier?

Have you ever had to work off the top of a step ladder. Its a pain in the arse

vonuber

7,201 posts

62 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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From the article:

Having ensured the safety of the general public, the workmen, employed by council contractor Southern Electric, then took another ten minutes to manoeuvre the cab on the back of the van into position.

So not a council employee, but a sub contractor who would be following Southern Electric's rules.

It was only then that they could actually attend to the job in hand – going to work in hard hat and high-visibility jacket a dizzying four feet or so off the ground.

I suspect the High-vis is as he was working on a live road, and the hard hat to prevent him smacking his head from a fall or on the post.

Residents were bewildered by the unnecessarily complicated operation. Ollie Brough, who works for an insurance company, said: ‘It’s health and safety regulations taken to the next level.

No it's not. It's the Companies own response to H&S legislation, not the Legislation itself.

‘Goodness knows how much it costs to work so inefficiently. Whatever happened to good old fashioned ladders? Twenty-five minutes to change a light bulb. Ridiculous. Surely there must be a better use of taxpayers’ money?’

They would be on a fixed term contract, not on a per job basis.

A Southern Electric spokesman said: 'Safety is our number one priority. These days we have to risk assess every process.'

Mainly due to the risk of getting prosecuted if someone dies, which is fair enough.

hidetheelephants

10,042 posts

90 months

Monday 25th July 2011
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thinfourth2 said:
AJS- said:
Couldn't they have had a set of step ladders in the back of the van?

I don't think anyone means to actually have a go at the man changing the lightbulb. It's the silly procedures behind it that are at fault.
Do you really think that a stepladder would be quicker?

If you have a cherry picker sat next to you why would you use a step ladder.

Do you think a steplader would be easier?

Have you ever had to work off the top of a step ladder. Its a pain in the arse
This plus the fact ladders are a disproportionate cause of workplace accidents; statistically they are as dangerous as shark-infested custard. Also the guy will get a bking if he gets seen not following the SoP; putting out the cones, donning the hiviz, hat and harness, using oxygen if more than 2' above ground etc. If he used a stepladder and injured himself as a result, his employer would rightly tell him to jog on if he asked for compo.