Derby House Fire.
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dom180

1,180 posts

290 months

Friday 1st June 2012
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Frik said:
TVR1 said:
WhoseGeneration said:
Frik said:
As would I.

"Simple animal" instinct in humans ensures we protect our children's lives over our own.
You might like to research whether all animals protect their young.

As with whether all Humans, throughout our history, have also done such.

Unfortunately, including present times.
Indeed. 'simple animal instinct' also includes the killing of any young that is not ones own. It removes a strain on resources/ensures YOUR young are raised to pass on your genes. Also, in a number of species, the male is actively killed by the male parent, in order that one day the young male will not dominate the older male.

Luckily, we have evolved to think, rather than use only our animal instincts.
So my point still stands then. Other animals aren't relevant to it. Other people's children aren't either to my point, though the anger on this thread tends to demonstrate how protective people can be about other people's children.

People have killed their or others' children, but they tend to have a strong reason to. This is what is missing here. I don't count "he's scum" as a decent argument.
One of the leading killers of children under 4 in the US is their Mother.

http://crime.about.com/od/female_offenders/a/mothe...

Then there's the babies dumped/abandoned because they're inconvenient.

essayer

10,382 posts

220 months

Friday 1st June 2012
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s3fella said:
Can we hope they leave this waste of space with his belt and neck tie, and the other one a handy Venus or two in the cells?


But where will he get a neck tie from now?

miln0039

2,013 posts

184 months

Friday 1st June 2012
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Hub said:
I thought I heard something about them sleeping in the caravan in the front garden?
Yep - I beleived this to be the case also! Hence why they were taken away for forensic examination?

MoshiLego

120 posts

181 months

Friday 1st June 2012
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TVR1 said:
I agree. But in all likelihood, they will go down for manslaughter. It will be quite extraordinary if their sentences run consecutively. They will both be out in 20 odd years. It may be a difficult concept for the great unwashed to grasp but there is quite a difference between picking off one person after another intentionally rather than trying to burn your house down with the rather unfortunate consequences that occurred.
Bloody cheek - I'll have you know I got washed only this morning.

ascayman

13,269 posts

242 months

Friday 1st June 2012
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TVR1 said:
I agree. But in all likelihood, they will go down for manslaughter. It will be quite extraordinary if their sentences run consecutively. They will both be out in 20 odd years. It may be a difficult concept for the great unwashed to grasp but there is quite a difference between picking off one person after another intentionally rather than trying to burn your house down with the rather unfortunate consequences that occurred.
I'm sorry but no, the man killed 7 people, children no less. If found guilty and he were to ever see the outside of a prison again it would be a massive faliure of the justice system.

rohrl

8,984 posts

171 months

Friday 1st June 2012
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ascayman said:
I'm sorry but no, the man killed 7 people, children no less. If found guilty and he were to ever see the outside of a prison again it would be a massive faliure of the justice system.
Who is the seventh victim?

ascayman

13,269 posts

242 months

Friday 1st June 2012
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rohrl said:
Who is the seventh victim?
Sorry 6.

Sushi

858 posts

226 months

Friday 1st June 2012
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ascayman said:
the man killed 7 people
Did he?

No need for a trial then?

ascayman

13,269 posts

242 months

Friday 1st June 2012
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Sushi said:
Did he?

No need for a trial then?
For the hard of reading, 'IF FOUND GUILTY' as written in the post.

Sushi

858 posts

226 months

Friday 1st June 2012
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ascayman said:
For the hard of reading, 'IF FOUND GUILTY' as written in the post.
Must be all the broccoli I've been eating recently, apologies, and I'll lay off the green stuff.

ascayman

13,269 posts

242 months

Friday 1st June 2012
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Sushi said:
Must be all the broccoli I've been eating recently, apologies, and I'll lay off the green stuff.
No probs to be fair it could have been written clearer.

TwigtheWonderkid

48,460 posts

176 months

Friday 1st June 2012
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ascayman said:
rohrl said:
Who is the seventh victim?
Sorry 6.
Reminds me of Fred West's confession.

"How many have you killed"
"9 or 10"
"But we've found 13 bodies"
"Yeah..I'm a builer and it was an estimate"



BlackVanDyke

9,932 posts

237 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Tiggsy said:
JohnnyJones said:
Need a few whoosh parrots around here!

Jaffa as in fruit as in gay as in turned gay by being bummed all round the nick. Get it?
Forget the "whoosh parrot"...you need the "wrong slang terminology, casual homophobia, no idea what prison is like and lack of fruit knowledge pigeon"
clap

thesyn

540 posts

207 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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Oakey said:
thesyn said:
How did it take so long ?
Used the Google News search function, all the newest stories first =/
Sorry I meant why did it take so long to arrest them?

My point being that crimes are normally committed for really obvious reasons and following a financial trail will usually yield a culprit.

As the police usually say "thank god criminals are so stupid"

cossy400

3,442 posts

210 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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thesyn said:
Oakey said:
thesyn said:
How did it take so long ?
Used the Google News search function, all the newest stories first =/
Sorry I meant why did it take so long to arrest them?

My point being that crimes are normally committed for really obvious reasons and following a financial trail will usually yield a culprit.

As the police usually say "thank god criminals are so stupid"
From what i can gather, it seems the caravan and his van may have held the key to why they ve been arrested?
They only removed his van etc last week and now they ve arrested them.
His reasons for doing it i think are hes always wanted a bigger house.

srebbe64

13,021 posts

263 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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otolith said:
srebbe64 said:
If guilty I can't understand their motive????
The suspected motive is a desire to be rehoused in a bigger house - if true, one has to assume that the intention was not to kill their children.
Okay - if that's the case (didn't want to kill kids) - why no apparent upset when in front of the cameras. And I don't think Hollywood will come looking for his acting services any time soon!

Apache

39,731 posts

310 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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srebbe64 said:
otolith said:
srebbe64 said:
If guilty I can't understand their motive????
The suspected motive is a desire to be rehoused in a bigger house - if true, one has to assume that the intention was not to kill their children.
Okay - if that's the case (didn't want to kill kids) - why no apparent upset when in front of the cameras. And I don't think Hollywood will come looking for his acting services any time soon!
they had dozens of them and they were practically feral by all accounts so more of a means to an end? hence using them in a callous attempt to be rehoused



bitchstewie

65,425 posts

236 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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srebbe64 said:
Okay - if that's the case (didn't want to kill kids) - why no apparent upset when in front of the cameras. And I don't think Hollywood will come looking for his acting services any time soon!
What's the normal way to behave when you've just lost six of your kids?

People act differently, there is no right or wrong.

srebbe64

13,021 posts

263 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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bhstewie said:
srebbe64 said:
Okay - if that's the case (didn't want to kill kids) - why no apparent upset when in front of the cameras. And I don't think Hollywood will come looking for his acting services any time soon!
What's the normal way to behave when you've just lost six of your kids?

People act differently, there is no right or wrong.
Wiping away non existent tears is rather an odd way to grieve!

TwigtheWonderkid

48,460 posts

176 months

Saturday 2nd June 2012
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I'm not an expert, but I think you can be done for murder even if you didn't mean to kill the victim(s), if what you did was so reckless and dangerous that death was the likely outcome.

If you throw someone off a cliff deliberately, that's murder, even if you didn't mean to kill them. What the hell did you think the outcome would be? Setting fire to your house with petrol with kids asleep inside.....make your own minds up.