Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 3
Discussion
Jamie6747 said:
UK immigration policy ‘damaging Scottish economy’
“There’s no doubt that the UK government’s restrictive immigration policies are damaging Scotland’s economy,
http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/politics/uk-i...
Salmond's bid to flood recession-hit Scotland with foreign workers
Salmond loves immigrants, he calls them new the Scots.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2005548/Da...
No wonder they are scared of UKIP!“There’s no doubt that the UK government’s restrictive immigration policies are damaging Scotland’s economy,
http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/politics/uk-i...
Salmond's bid to flood recession-hit Scotland with foreign workers
Salmond loves immigrants, he calls them new the Scots.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2005548/Da...
Jamie6747 said:
UK immigration policy ‘damaging Scottish economy’
“There’s no doubt that the UK government’s restrictive immigration policies are damaging Scotland’s economy,
http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/politics/uk-i...
Salmond's bid to flood recession-hit Scotland with foreign workers
Salmond loves immigrants, he calls them new Scots.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2005548/Da...
And the reason Scots can't take all these jobs is“There’s no doubt that the UK government’s restrictive immigration policies are damaging Scotland’s economy,
http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/politics/uk-i...
Salmond's bid to flood recession-hit Scotland with foreign workers
Salmond loves immigrants, he calls them new Scots.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2005548/Da...
Over to you VP
Scottish independence: ‘RBS and HBOS may leave’
Scotland’s banking giants would face “considerable market pressures” to leave their Edinburgh headquarters after independence and base themselves elsewhere in the UK.
http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/politics/scot...
London here we come!
Scotland’s banking giants would face “considerable market pressures” to leave their Edinburgh headquarters after independence and base themselves elsewhere in the UK.
http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/politics/scot...
London here we come!
Cyprus-style crash could hit independent Scotland because banking sector is 1250% bigger than its economy,
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2327469/Cy...
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2327469/Cy...
So the EVIL english oppressing overlords have crippled scotland
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...
Reason 1 = Not spending enough
Reason 2 = Spending too much
Reason 3 = Borrowing too much
Reason 4 = Allowing people to become rich
Reason 5 = Allowing people to become rich
Reason 6 = Not borrowing enough
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...
Mrs fish said:
She highlighted six areas including;
1 The decision of the last two Westminster governments to cut capital spending which would have supported an additional 19,000 jobs in Scotland
2 The UK government's failure to establish an oil fund for future generations, similar to the Norwegian fund now worth an estimated £450bn
3 The decision by the UK government to engage in a boom in credit and debt expansion
4 Allowing income inequality to grow dramatically in the UK
5 The decision to concentrate economic activity in London
6 And the decision to pursue austerity rather than focus on growing the economy.
Or to sum up1 The decision of the last two Westminster governments to cut capital spending which would have supported an additional 19,000 jobs in Scotland
2 The UK government's failure to establish an oil fund for future generations, similar to the Norwegian fund now worth an estimated £450bn
3 The decision by the UK government to engage in a boom in credit and debt expansion
4 Allowing income inequality to grow dramatically in the UK
5 The decision to concentrate economic activity in London
6 And the decision to pursue austerity rather than focus on growing the economy.
Reason 1 = Not spending enough
Reason 2 = Spending too much
Reason 3 = Borrowing too much
Reason 4 = Allowing people to become rich
Reason 5 = Allowing people to become rich
Reason 6 = Not borrowing enough
A Darling just been on R4 giving his views.
I'm not a labour supporter however everything he said I totally agreed with, I'd say the rUK have a very good pair of hands in him.
He seems to be raising all the sensible questions we want to hear answers
How will Scotland deal with the state pensions?
I wonder on this point if they became Independant as there is no pension fund its not inconceivable that the transfer value is the same or greater than Scotland's proportion of our National debt maybe this is where they walk away debt free but take on full liabilities for the pensions.
How will Scotland deal with an older demographic - specifically on state pension affordability?
What is the point in asking why there is no Wealth fund or if it had been set up things would be different - sure they would but those decisions have been made there is no fund nor will there be one. Rhotorical question is good but meaningless now.
A Darling was clear o the currency situation and fr Scotland to use the sterling the whole of the UK would have a vote on it and of they were allowed he flagged up it would be like a straight jacket just like the Euro basically at odds with what Independance should be like.
I'm not a labour supporter however everything he said I totally agreed with, I'd say the rUK have a very good pair of hands in him.
He seems to be raising all the sensible questions we want to hear answers
How will Scotland deal with the state pensions?
I wonder on this point if they became Independant as there is no pension fund its not inconceivable that the transfer value is the same or greater than Scotland's proportion of our National debt maybe this is where they walk away debt free but take on full liabilities for the pensions.
How will Scotland deal with an older demographic - specifically on state pension affordability?
What is the point in asking why there is no Wealth fund or if it had been set up things would be different - sure they would but those decisions have been made there is no fund nor will there be one. Rhotorical question is good but meaningless now.
A Darling was clear o the currency situation and fr Scotland to use the sterling the whole of the UK would have a vote on it and of they were allowed he flagged up it would be like a straight jacket just like the Euro basically at odds with what Independance should be like.
A Salmond on R4.
Question of oil and its variability.
His view prices will be steadily increasing and that based on reserve forecasts there is £1.5trillion in tax revenue to come out. He eats to create an oil fund which can then be used to take the volatility out of te oil prices.
What happens if a yes vote happens and then those who voted yes are not happy with what you are able to negotiate? Totally avoided the question just mumblings about being a good neighbour and we will work it out...
Euro - his response well Westminster and all parties have gone quiet about it too so there is no need to defend that change.
Sterling - we are good neighbours so will have a fair result and be able to impact, he was challenged that Scotland would be a different country to which he said it would be pragmatic as we are good friendly neighbours.
He deflected the question about the leaked report from his own finance minister about the funding being questionable ad risky.
So I didn't gain any further insights.
Question of oil and its variability.
His view prices will be steadily increasing and that based on reserve forecasts there is £1.5trillion in tax revenue to come out. He eats to create an oil fund which can then be used to take the volatility out of te oil prices.
What happens if a yes vote happens and then those who voted yes are not happy with what you are able to negotiate? Totally avoided the question just mumblings about being a good neighbour and we will work it out...
Euro - his response well Westminster and all parties have gone quiet about it too so there is no need to defend that change.
Sterling - we are good neighbours so will have a fair result and be able to impact, he was challenged that Scotland would be a different country to which he said it would be pragmatic as we are good friendly neighbours.
He deflected the question about the leaked report from his own finance minister about the funding being questionable ad risky.
So I didn't gain any further insights.
Hold on, I thought it was £1.5tn wholesale value, not tax returns. £1.5tn is 150 years at £10bn per year tax revenues...
Sturgeon was also fibbing last Thursday - she dodged the "Scotland's ageing population" by saying Scotland's pop. isn't ageing quicker than the rUK, contrary to her GERS figures.
Sturgeon was also fibbing last Thursday - she dodged the "Scotland's ageing population" by saying Scotland's pop. isn't ageing quicker than the rUK, contrary to her GERS figures.
McWigglebum4th said:
Or to sum up
Reason 1 = Not spending enough
Reason 2 = Spending too much
Reason 3 = Borrowing too much
Reason 4 = Allowing people to become rich
Reason 5 = Allowing people to become rich
Reason 6 = Not borrowing enough
As Darling says, they've produced a paper moaning about what previous and present UK governments have done.Reason 1 = Not spending enough
Reason 2 = Spending too much
Reason 3 = Borrowing too much
Reason 4 = Allowing people to become rich
Reason 5 = Allowing people to become rich
Reason 6 = Not borrowing enough
What is the point?
I'm sure an independent Scotland's electorate will be delighted to save our oil revenues for future generations, when we're spending billions more than we tax, and the economy is showing early signs of growth
Guam said:
Such a pleasant lot up in Scotland these days 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2328276/Gl...
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I blame the torieshttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2328276/Gl...
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Guam said:
Such a pleasant lot up in Scotland these days
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2328276/Gl...
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All joking aside, I do find that rather shocking.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2328276/Gl...
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When did they get indoor plumbing?
McWigglebum4th said:
Or to sum up
Reason 1 = Not spending enough
Reason 2 = Spending too much
Reason 3 = Borrowing too much
Reason 4 = Allowing people to become rich
Reason 5 = Allowing people to become rich
Reason 6 = Not borrowing enough
The full paper: http://scotland.gov.uk/Resource/0042/00422987.pdfReason 1 = Not spending enough
Reason 2 = Spending too much
Reason 3 = Borrowing too much
Reason 4 = Allowing people to become rich
Reason 5 = Allowing people to become rich
Reason 6 = Not borrowing enough
I might get round to reading it fully. So far i haven't seen anyuthing which hasn't been countered on this thread previously (i got about page 20). The quality shows though: just look at Salmonds face on pg2/ his signature on page 3 and then try reading the graphics on page 4....Maybe I don't need to bother finishing reading it.
McWigglebum4th said:
Guam said:
Such a pleasant lot up in Scotland these days
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2328276/Gl...
Back to lurking
I blame the torieshttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2328276/Gl...
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I know i bang on about the nanny state but this takes not just the biscuit but quite possibly the f
king plate too
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400779/SNP-bill-t...
king plate toohttp://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400779/SNP-bill-t...
McWigglebum4th said:
I know i bang on about the nanny state but this takes not just the biscuit but quite possibly the fking plate too
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400779/SNP-bill-t...
FREEDDOO...ohking plate toohttp://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400779/SNP-bill-t...
McWigglebum4th said:
I know i bang on about the nanny state but this takes not just the biscuit but quite possibly the fking plate too
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400779/SNP-bill-t...
Yeah, because Big Brother in Westminster doesn't come up with any sking plate toohttp://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400779/SNP-bill-t...
tty ideas to interfere with the citizens private lives.https://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/campaigns/...
GoneAnon said:
McWigglebum4th said:
I know i bang on about the nanny state but this takes not just the biscuit but quite possibly the fking plate too
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400779/SNP-bill-t...
Yeah, because Big Brother in Westminster doesn't come up with any sking plate toohttp://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400779/SNP-bill-t...
tty ideas to interfere with the citizens private lives.https://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/campaigns/...
GoneAnon said:
Yeah, because Big Brother in Westminster doesn't come up with any stty ideas to interfere with the citizens private lives.
https://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/campaigns/...
Evurything's bettur in Scoatlahnd.tty ideas to interfere with the citizens private lives.https://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/campaigns/...
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