Having owned both, I can't see either having more than a small following, and hence limited collector/investor appeal, tbh. Neither are that good looking, nor have class-leading dynamics as standard. The only recent Alfas I'd include would be the SZ and perhaps 8C. The GTA variants of the 147 and 156 I think are more interesting than either GTV variant, but still not special enough to be included in this discussion.

The 997 sport classic and speedster!

+1 very similar build numbers for the road version and a few written off over the years-- one near to me on the A120 a few years ago.

Agreed, but then like you, I am slightly biased

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To my mind: A classic is a car that transcends its time and remains desirable (indeed maybe becomes more so) as it ages. A collectible is something that people who have many vehicles will covet for their fleet - the cars that people will pay inflated sums for and ship from different countries just to own.

If you like: the latter category is how I would group cars where the value could potentially go silly (in that they could potentially end up worth more than they ever cost to own). Most classics - even ones that appreciate significantly - consume money to maintain/insure/etc far more than their desirability inflates their value over time. However some cars become objects of desire for people with levels of wealth that drive their value beyond reason due to their scarcity.

So for example, you might call a Jaguar XJ220 a classic hypercar, but I wouldn't call it 'collectible' (even though many are certainly in collections) given that a delivery mileage garage queen can be bought today for less than half its early 1990s purchase price. Compare with an F40 of the same vintage which is worth a big premium over it's then list or further that the McLaren factory keeps a list of interested parties should any of its customers wish to move on their F1 for an ever growing multi-million pound price. If German cars are your thing you might like to consider the Porsche '73 RS as being a collector car even though a cooking 911 of the same vintage would certainly still be very much a classic.

Just my view on it of course, not something that you would find in a dictionary.

Oh - and to whoever said Ford GT, I reckon they are right and that is a good shout for collectible too. I was struggling to think of something American and that probably is the stand out example.

That can't be true! Shirley?

M3 CSL
TVR Sagaris
360 CS
430 Scud
996 gt3 rs
997 gt3 rs 4.0
Superleggera
Balboni

W124 500e

968 clubsport is a nailed on future classic I think, for 3 reasons

1. only 179 RHD made so incredibly rare esp. in factory unmolested spec
2. it has CS in the name, which is not as good as RS, but look at 911 CS values now.. one for sale at Dick lovett asking £104k !
3. the superb handling and the fact its a properly good drivers car

ok I am biaised as I own one but I think they are cheap vs where 911 values are now

Esprits are now going up. smthg like a Sport 300 would be my pick
Alpine A610?
agree re prev suggestion of Megane R26R due to limited production and extreme spec

Hard to get a definitive number. This link shows 2000 worldwide production ( http://www.gt3rsregistry.com/docs/HowMany.htm ) but i reckon it to be approx 1500-1600 from other sources. Apparently approx 100 997.2 RS's in UK. Also worth considering European cars have a better spec due to homologation rules.



eta - 2000+ 964 RS's produced. 1100 993 RS's. 686 996 RS's. 1973 2.7 RS = 1580.