Flickr...What have you done?
Flickr...What have you done?
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Lucas CAV

3,068 posts

245 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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Seems to be dead in the water at this moment? Can't log in!

I presume some changes are afoot?

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

280 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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Its up for me..
Early days but stats for views are well down.

JonRB

79,795 posts

298 months

Thursday 23rd May 2013
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RobDickinson said:
Early days but stats for views are well down.
This I can well believe. Why would someone click through for a slightly larger version of a pic they feel they have already "seen"? Make a thumbnail big enough and it is no longer a thumbnail; it is the picture.

miniman

29,638 posts

288 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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JonRB said:
This I can well believe. Why would someone click through for a slightly larger version of a pic they feel they have already "seen"? Make a thumbnail big enough and it is no longer a thumbnail; it is the picture.
I see your point, but wasn't a fundamental reason for the existence of thumbnails the slow speeds of the web back in the day?

JonRB

79,795 posts

298 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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miniman said:
I see your point, but wasn't a fundamental reason for the existence of thumbnails the slow speeds of the web back in the day?
True, in part. Although they also allow for quick visual selection from a large group, which is why we still have them on the desktop.

blugnu

1,523 posts

267 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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miniman said:
JonRB said:
This I can well believe. Why would someone click through for a slightly larger version of a pic they feel they have already "seen"? Make a thumbnail big enough and it is no longer a thumbnail; it is the picture.
I see your point, but wasn't a fundamental reason for the existence of thumbnails the slow speeds of the web back in the day?
Have a look at the camera upload stats - there are a lot fewer uploads. Lots of people are moving over to ipernity, which has obviously learned a lot from old flickr.

http://www.flickr.com/cameras/canon/
http://www.flickr.com/cameras/nikon/

and - if you need proof that encouraging people to see adverts need quantity over quality (which they've gone for by giving 1tb of space) here are some more grpahs

http://www.flickr.com/cameras/apple/

Flickr was looking a bit dated, but the content was excellent, and it worked.

Now it looks more modern, but is also bland, hard to use and has lost a lot of the social aspect that made it popular. It is also slow. And I think it's inevitable that by giving people effectively unlimited storage for nothing, the quality will drop.

I have a grandfathered account (been Pro for 8 years) but I doubt I'll take up the option to renew. I've moved to ipernity instead, and am finding more and more of my contacts appearing there.

2slo

1,998 posts

193 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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Seems to be going from bad to worse. Flickr just isn't working for me this morning, everything else is fine so it must be a problem at their end.

JonRB

79,795 posts

298 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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blugnu said:
Lots of people are moving over to ipernity, which has obviously learned a lot from old flickr.
I'm just reading up about ipernity now. It's good to see they support Creative Commons licensing, but slightly less good that the web filter at my place of work blocks the actual site itself (but doesn't block Flickr). But I'll definitely look into it over the weekend. Does it support import from Flickr?

I'm not going to rush into it though. It will be interesting to see what Flickr do over the next week or so.

Edited by JonRB on Friday 24th May 09:36

AndrewEH1

4,922 posts

179 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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blugnu said:
Graphs!
Holy st that's bad, massive drop in DSLR uploads!

miniman

29,638 posts

288 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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Oh dear, those stats are pretty sad. Such a shame, Flickr used to be part of my daily browsing.

blugnu

1,523 posts

267 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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AndrewEH1 said:
blugnu said:
Graphs!
Holy st that's bad, massive drop in DSLR uploads!
Thought I'd take screenshots in case the ability to look at the graphs should break for any reason:

Canon



Nikon

uk_vette

3,336 posts

230 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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DONT' like it at all.

And on that note, I think Photobucked screwed up when they did the changes also.

vette

JonRB

79,795 posts

298 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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blugnu said:
Thought I'd take screenshots in case the ability to look at the graphs should break for any reason:
One thing that a friend has just pointed out to me is that these are percentage graphs. So an influx of cameraphone users would cause the *percentage* of DSLR users to plummet even if the total *number* of DSLR users remained the same or even grew.

Anyway, graphs aside, we all know Flickr has gone downhill suddenly and people are leaving or planning an exit strategy.

blugnu

1,523 posts

267 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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JonRB said:
blugnu said:
Thought I'd take screenshots in case the ability to look at the graphs should break for any reason:
One thing that a friend has just pointed out to me is that these are percentage graphs. So an influx of cameraphone users would cause the *percentage* of DSLR users to plummet even if the total *number* of DSLR users remained the same or even grew.

Anyway, graphs aside, we all know Flickr has gone downhill suddenly and people are leaving or planning an exit strategy.
Either way is informative about the direction the site is going.

Ev_

190 posts

289 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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JonRB said:
One thing that a friend has just pointed out to me is that these are percentage graphs. So an influx of cameraphone users would cause the *percentage* of DSLR users to plummet even if the total *number* of DSLR users remained the same or even grew.
I don't think it's an influx of cameraphone users. I suspect it's just that iPhone users are continuing to upload as normal (mostly via the app), while DSLR users are pausing to get familiar with the new layout. That would cause the DSLR traces to fall and the iPhone ones to do the opposite.

2slo

1,998 posts

193 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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Is it just me, or does anyone else find that when they click on one of their images to open it, all the comments and info are overlaid on top of the image making it all but impossible to read?
This problem has only started this morning, nothing like this ever happened before the changes. Why couldn't they just leave well enough alone. Ipernity looks to be worth a try, better than fker as it is now.

tenohfive

6,276 posts

208 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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I have to say, for what I use Flickr for (more storage/presentation than the groups aspect) I'm really starting to like the revamp. I've uploaded a few photo's this morning and it works just as well (if not slightly quicker) and feels slicker, with better presentation.

As for the business model side, I'm far from an expert but whilst initially it sounds unusual to take a well established, well paying 'Pro' system that's cheap enough that a lot of people will use it, I suspect what they are trying to do is open up Flickr to more people. Social media these days is very much a numbers game - and whilst we (as amateur and semi pro photographers) treat Flickr as a photography website, it is still intended to be a social media site.

Flickr was already losing members to sites like 500px before the revamp and (anecdotally) appeared to be slowly heading down. Opening it up with more storage than Joe Public will ever use makes perfect sense - getting mum's storing/backing up all their photo's on there, or little Billy with his 18-30 Ibiza trip snaps, knowing full well that they can share via Facebook/Twitter etc with two clicks could get Flickr what they really need - a massive increase in footfall. That means they can make more in advertising and gives a possibility of longevity and growth.

I know it's not best for some photographers - and I'm sure a lot of people have and will move to more 'hardcore' sites aiming at photographers. But as a strategy for a social media site I can see the logic.

markmullen

15,877 posts

260 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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It doesn't like Chrome.

JonRB

79,795 posts

298 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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tenohfive said:
stuff
I have to confess, I can see a lot of sense in your post and I hadn't really thought of it that way.

If Flickr feel that in order to survive they need to move from being a site for photographers to a site for "casually sharing a scensoredtload of snaps" then so be it. But it's a very great shame, and is also completely missing the point of what made Flickr so much better than the likes of Photobucket et al.

Crafty_

13,926 posts

226 months

Friday 24th May 2013
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