Flickr...What have you done?
Discussion
JonRB said:
This I can well believe. Why would someone click through for a slightly larger version of a pic they feel they have already "seen"? Make a thumbnail big enough and it is no longer a thumbnail; it is the picture.
I see your point, but wasn't a fundamental reason for the existence of thumbnails the slow speeds of the web back in the day?miniman said:
JonRB said:
This I can well believe. Why would someone click through for a slightly larger version of a pic they feel they have already "seen"? Make a thumbnail big enough and it is no longer a thumbnail; it is the picture.
I see your point, but wasn't a fundamental reason for the existence of thumbnails the slow speeds of the web back in the day?http://www.flickr.com/cameras/canon/
http://www.flickr.com/cameras/nikon/
and - if you need proof that encouraging people to see adverts need quantity over quality (which they've gone for by giving 1tb of space) here are some more grpahs
http://www.flickr.com/cameras/apple/
Flickr was looking a bit dated, but the content was excellent, and it worked.
Now it looks more modern, but is also bland, hard to use and has lost a lot of the social aspect that made it popular. It is also slow. And I think it's inevitable that by giving people effectively unlimited storage for nothing, the quality will drop.
I have a grandfathered account (been Pro for 8 years) but I doubt I'll take up the option to renew. I've moved to ipernity instead, and am finding more and more of my contacts appearing there.
blugnu said:
Lots of people are moving over to ipernity, which has obviously learned a lot from old flickr.
I'm just reading up about ipernity now. It's good to see they support Creative Commons licensing, but slightly less good that the web filter at my place of work blocks the actual site itself (but doesn't block Flickr). But I'll definitely look into it over the weekend. Does it support import from Flickr? I'm not going to rush into it though. It will be interesting to see what Flickr do over the next week or so.
Edited by JonRB on Friday 24th May 09:36
blugnu said:
Thought I'd take screenshots in case the ability to look at the graphs should break for any reason:
One thing that a friend has just pointed out to me is that these are percentage graphs. So an influx of cameraphone users would cause the *percentage* of DSLR users to plummet even if the total *number* of DSLR users remained the same or even grew. Anyway, graphs aside, we all know Flickr has gone downhill suddenly and people are leaving or planning an exit strategy.
JonRB said:
blugnu said:
Thought I'd take screenshots in case the ability to look at the graphs should break for any reason:
One thing that a friend has just pointed out to me is that these are percentage graphs. So an influx of cameraphone users would cause the *percentage* of DSLR users to plummet even if the total *number* of DSLR users remained the same or even grew. Anyway, graphs aside, we all know Flickr has gone downhill suddenly and people are leaving or planning an exit strategy.
JonRB said:
One thing that a friend has just pointed out to me is that these are percentage graphs. So an influx of cameraphone users would cause the *percentage* of DSLR users to plummet even if the total *number* of DSLR users remained the same or even grew.
I don't think it's an influx of cameraphone users. I suspect it's just that iPhone users are continuing to upload as normal (mostly via the app), while DSLR users are pausing to get familiar with the new layout. That would cause the DSLR traces to fall and the iPhone ones to do the opposite.Is it just me, or does anyone else find that when they click on one of their images to open it, all the comments and info are overlaid on top of the image making it all but impossible to read?
This problem has only started this morning, nothing like this ever happened before the changes. Why couldn't they just leave well enough alone. Ipernity looks to be worth a try, better than f
ker as it is now.
This problem has only started this morning, nothing like this ever happened before the changes. Why couldn't they just leave well enough alone. Ipernity looks to be worth a try, better than f
ker as it is now.I have to say, for what I use Flickr for (more storage/presentation than the groups aspect) I'm really starting to like the revamp. I've uploaded a few photo's this morning and it works just as well (if not slightly quicker) and feels slicker, with better presentation.
As for the business model side, I'm far from an expert but whilst initially it sounds unusual to take a well established, well paying 'Pro' system that's cheap enough that a lot of people will use it, I suspect what they are trying to do is open up Flickr to more people. Social media these days is very much a numbers game - and whilst we (as amateur and semi pro photographers) treat Flickr as a photography website, it is still intended to be a social media site.
Flickr was already losing members to sites like 500px before the revamp and (anecdotally) appeared to be slowly heading down. Opening it up with more storage than Joe Public will ever use makes perfect sense - getting mum's storing/backing up all their photo's on there, or little Billy with his 18-30 Ibiza trip snaps, knowing full well that they can share via Facebook/Twitter etc with two clicks could get Flickr what they really need - a massive increase in footfall. That means they can make more in advertising and gives a possibility of longevity and growth.
I know it's not best for some photographers - and I'm sure a lot of people have and will move to more 'hardcore' sites aiming at photographers. But as a strategy for a social media site I can see the logic.
As for the business model side, I'm far from an expert but whilst initially it sounds unusual to take a well established, well paying 'Pro' system that's cheap enough that a lot of people will use it, I suspect what they are trying to do is open up Flickr to more people. Social media these days is very much a numbers game - and whilst we (as amateur and semi pro photographers) treat Flickr as a photography website, it is still intended to be a social media site.
Flickr was already losing members to sites like 500px before the revamp and (anecdotally) appeared to be slowly heading down. Opening it up with more storage than Joe Public will ever use makes perfect sense - getting mum's storing/backing up all their photo's on there, or little Billy with his 18-30 Ibiza trip snaps, knowing full well that they can share via Facebook/Twitter etc with two clicks could get Flickr what they really need - a massive increase in footfall. That means they can make more in advertising and gives a possibility of longevity and growth.
I know it's not best for some photographers - and I'm sure a lot of people have and will move to more 'hardcore' sites aiming at photographers. But as a strategy for a social media site I can see the logic.
tenohfive said:
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I have to confess, I can see a lot of sense in your post and I hadn't really thought of it that way. If Flickr feel that in order to survive they need to move from being a site for photographers to a site for "casually sharing a s
tload of snaps" then so be it. But it's a very great shame, and is also completely missing the point of what made Flickr so much better than the likes of Photobucket et al. Gassing Station | Photography & Video | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff

