Has the BMW M135i killed the Golf GTI?
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topless_mx5 said:
Inspired by this thread I had a browse of the classified for M135i's.
I could help but stumble upon a few 135i M Sports for sale for many ££££s cheaper than the M135i. What are the key differences between the 2 aside from 15 bhp?
My understanding that is that neither come with a locking mechanic diff? Are the differences big enough to justify the price difference? I've seen very low mileage 135i M Sports for sale in the low £20k range.
Engine...I could help but stumble upon a few 135i M Sports for sale for many ££££s cheaper than the M135i. What are the key differences between the 2 aside from 15 bhp?
My understanding that is that neither come with a locking mechanic diff? Are the differences big enough to justify the price difference? I've seen very low mileage 135i M Sports for sale in the low £20k range.
135i has a 3.0 twin turbo N54 and the M135i has the new N55 twin scroll turbo engine, think it is going to be a platform engine for there new cars.
nickfrog said:
Different chassis, different engine, different sub-frames, different interior, different wheels, difference calipers, different discs, different suspensions etc etc
Do you see a pattern emerging ?
...they also look different! Do you see a pattern emerging ?
Edited by nickfrog on Friday 8th February 11:42
bmw320ci said:
topless_mx5 said:
Inspired by this thread I had a browse of the classified for M135i's.
I could help but stumble upon a few 135i M Sports for sale for many ££££s cheaper than the M135i. What are the key differences between the 2 aside from 15 bhp?
My understanding that is that neither come with a locking mechanic diff? Are the differences big enough to justify the price difference? I've seen very low mileage 135i M Sports for sale in the low £20k range.
Engine...I could help but stumble upon a few 135i M Sports for sale for many ££££s cheaper than the M135i. What are the key differences between the 2 aside from 15 bhp?
My understanding that is that neither come with a locking mechanic diff? Are the differences big enough to justify the price difference? I've seen very low mileage 135i M Sports for sale in the low £20k range.
135i has a 3.0 twin turbo N54 and the M135i has the new N55 twin scroll turbo engine
Edited by aeropilot on Friday 8th February 16:57
Bodo said:
What's the difference between Mk1 and Mk2 exactly? Infotainment/HMI has more features in standard version; engine is slightly more efficient; but what else?
It's a completely different car. - For a start, the old 135i is only available as a 2-door coupé; whereas the new car's hatchback only (3 or 5 door).The only Mk7 Golf reveiw I have read said it was a real hoot to drive.. and that was a Blue Motion!!
I expect the Mk7 GTI is going to really move the game on.
And, the 1 series BMW is an ugly bugger, and by the time you have optioned it up, it will be near enough the same price as a secondhand 1M...
I expect the Mk7 GTI is going to really move the game on.
And, the 1 series BMW is an ugly bugger, and by the time you have optioned it up, it will be near enough the same price as a secondhand 1M...
nickfrog said:
Different chassis, different engine, different sub-frames, different interior, different wheels, difference calipers, different discs, different suspensions etc etc
Do you see a pattern emerging ?
I should have worded the question more towards to what is not obvious to everyone. What's the advantage from the Mk2 to the Mk1, apart from what everyone can read in BMW's publications? Do you have some facts? Genuinely interested.Do you see a pattern emerging ?
Edited by nickfrog on Friday 8th February 11:42
Bodo said:
nickfrog said:
Different chassis, different engine, different sub-frames, different interior, different wheels, difference calipers, different discs, different suspensions etc etc
Do you see a pattern emerging ?
I should have worded the question more towards to what is not obvious to everyone. What's the advantage from the Mk2 to the Mk1, apart from what everyone can read in BMW's publications? Do you have some facts? Genuinely interested.Do you see a pattern emerging ?
Edited by nickfrog on Friday 8th February 11:42
aeropilot said:
Bodo said:
nickfrog said:
Different chassis, different engine, different sub-frames, different interior, different wheels, difference calipers, different discs, different suspensions etc etc
Do you see a pattern emerging ?
I should have worded the question more towards to what is not obvious to everyone. What's the advantage from the Mk2 to the Mk1, apart from what everyone can read in BMW's publications? Do you have some facts? Genuinely interested.Do you see a pattern emerging ?
Edited by nickfrog on Friday 8th February 11:42
German Wikipedia lists
- indicator repeaters now in door mirrors
- Eco-Pro-Mode for driver recognition of economy
- petrol 4cyl engines now with 1.6l and turbo
- changes in many optional extras
- body dimensions changed, now with additional 21mm legroom for rear seats
Legacywr said:
And, the 1 series BMW is an ugly bugger, and by the time you have optioned it up, it will be near enough the same price as a secondhand 1M...
The M135i debated here doesn't need any options. It comes as std with leather, climate, auto lights/wipers, dual-xenons, 4 pot calipers, etc etc etc. At push you could spend £1,000 on paint, cruise and sensors.Comparing new price to second hand price ? C'mon, you know better...
nickfrog said:
The M135i debated here doesn't need any options. It comes as std with leather, climate, auto lights/wipers, dual-xenons, 4 pot calipers, etc etc etc. At push you could spend £1,000 on paint, cruise and sensors.
Comparing new price to second hand price ? C'mon, you know better...
Auto box....Comparing new price to second hand price ? C'mon, you know better...
Finally got a test drive of one of these. Thought it would be the ideal car to replace the Mk V Golf gti. I found the pedals too close together and the car a bit claustrophobic. I suppose it's for crash protection, the new A class was the same. High shoulders to the doors, massive C pillars and a tiny rear window. The search continues. Stumped though.
Workshy Fop said:
Finally got a test drive of one of these. Thought it would be the ideal car to replace the Mk V Golf gti. I found the pedals too close together and the car a bit claustrophobic. I suppose it's for crash protection, the new A class was the same. High shoulders to the doors, massive C pillars and a tiny rear window. The search continues. Stumped though.
Have you tried the Mk6 Golf edition 35? I picked mine up a few weeks ago and am really enjoying it. Feels like a nicely grown up hot hatch. Well screwed together, comfortable and quick enough to be entertaining.
I don't doubt for one moment that the M135 will be a more rewarding "driver's car", but I'm very happy with my choice...
Gruber said:
Have you tried the Mk6 Golf edition 35?
I picked mine up a few weeks ago and am really enjoying it. Feels like a nicely grown up hot hatch. Well screwed together, comfortable and quick enough to be entertaining.
I don't doubt for one moment that the M135 will be a more rewarding "driver's car", but I'm very happy with my choice...
At this point personally I'd wait for the Mk 7 but they will be expensive; which takes us full circle. BMW is a lot more car for the money considering engine, higher standard spec. discounts available etc. It wasn't the car for me but I don't think the Mk 7 Golf will be either unless they price it well.I picked mine up a few weeks ago and am really enjoying it. Feels like a nicely grown up hot hatch. Well screwed together, comfortable and quick enough to be entertaining.
I don't doubt for one moment that the M135 will be a more rewarding "driver's car", but I'm very happy with my choice...
Legacywr said:
nickfrog said:
Comparing new price to second hand price ? C'mon, you know better...
Nope, that's exactly how I roll. I have never bought a brand new car, I always think your money is best spent on a better secondhand model."Has a second hand 1M killed the Golf GTI?" would be an odd thread, after all.
Workshy Fop said:
At this point personally I'd wait for the Mk 7 but they will be expensive; which takes us full circle. BMW is a lot more car for the money considering engine, higher standard spec. discounts available etc. It wasn't the car for me but I don't think the Mk 7 Golf will be either unless they price it well.
Fair enough. And I'd agree that "like for like" on brand new cars, the BMW offers stunning VFM. My ed35 was a 10-month old car with 10k miles on the clock. Fully loaded and completely immaculate, it was still a lot cheaper than I could have picked up an M135i.
It'll be interesting to see where they pitch the new Golf - in terms of price, spec, performance etc etc.
Gruber said:
It'll be interesting to see where they pitch the new Golf - in terms of price, spec, performance etc etc.
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