RE: Alfa Romeo 4C - unwrapped
Discussion
Not sure if this has been posted?
Alfa Romeo 4C and Marc Gené in Madrid!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzexh_EgPdQ
Alfa Romeo 4C and Marc Gené in Madrid!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzexh_EgPdQ
stuartalfa said:
Not sure if this has been posted?
Alfa Romeo 4C and Marc Gené in Madrid!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzexh_EgPdQ
Cool Alfa Romeo 4C and Marc Gené in Madrid!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzexh_EgPdQ
Looks like it sounds quite fruity as well which is a relief k-ink said:
Absolutely. Another potentially really lovely car completely ruined by sheer laziness at the 11th hour. The mind boggles.
The lights aren't great - agreed. However I believe done for following reasons (rather than being lazy)1) When you see behind the headlight there really isn't any room, therefore traditional bulbs are out of the question
2) Cost due to low volumes of producing a covered unit and various approvals
I suspect given the beating they are getting over the light they will reconsider for the future, hopefully at the same time a 300hp variant comes out
Edited by V6Alfisti on Sunday 16th June 15:08
at last we have more of a competitor to the supercharged elise/exige, alfa should be applauded for doing this as opposed to a 50% heavier slk/z4/cayman type car. dare i say it, the more i see of them the more i find the lights acceptable ;-) hope to have a good look in the flesh at goodwood.
i was suprised at just how labour intensive the build process looks, but guess that was to be expected really, is the carbon tub for the i3/i8 to be quite so hand made? as has been mentioned, not sure how they could make money on these, even at 45/50k.
i was suprised at just how labour intensive the build process looks, but guess that was to be expected really, is the carbon tub for the i3/i8 to be quite so hand made? as has been mentioned, not sure how they could make money on these, even at 45/50k.
Edited by danp on Sunday 16th June 11:39
LuS1fer said:
I hark back to that stunning Duetto concept which I would have loved to own.
This, however, is not pretty nor even particularly attractive. It is another "bland design" that could have come from any wannabe kit car manufacturer so it's a no from me. Where has the Alfa flair gone?
It died when the Milan development centre was closed. (100 years of passed-on knowledge and affection flushed away, imagine BMW or even Audi doing that to their bases). And for his next trick Marchionne is now having all designs being carried out in-house under an ex-pininfarina designer.This, however, is not pretty nor even particularly attractive. It is another "bland design" that could have come from any wannabe kit car manufacturer so it's a no from me. Where has the Alfa flair gone?
Which will bury said design house as it has buried Bertone. Typical present day management style : happily kill off the future of a company, market and culture to have a nice balance to show on the next shareholder meeting.
Not sure about the design of the 4c - would need to see one IRL. Those headlights are criminal for sure.
As for the Duettotanta, seems to me like that was used for the F-type. At least Mr Tata and the good people at Jaguar have some more wits about them then those lunatics at Fiat Auto Group.
Here is the random weight table.
Audi TTRS 1450 + 75 = 1525 / 335bhp (manual)
Cayman S 1425 kg / 295bhp (manual)
370z 1496 + 75 = 1571 kg / 323bhp (manual)
BMW 135i 1530 kg / 302bhp (manual)
BMW Z4 sDrive35is 1600 kg / 340bhp (7-speed DSG)
BWM 335i M Sport 1600kg / 306bhp (manual)
M3 Coupe 1655kg / 420bhp (manual)
Ariel Atom 456 + 75 = 531 kg / 245-300 bhp (manual)
Audi S3 1515 + 75 = 1590 / 261bhp (auto)
Caparo T1 689kg / 575bhp (manual)
Lotus Exige S 935 + 75 = 1010kg / 220bhp (manual & ac marked as an option)
Mercedes Benz SLK 350 1505kg / 305hp (auto 7 tronic
Mercedes Benz SLK 55AMG 1575kg / 360hp (auto 7 tronic)
BMW 1 Series M Coupe 1570kg / 340hp(manual)
Audi TTRS 1450 + 75 = 1525 / 335bhp (manual)
Cayman S 1425 kg / 295bhp (manual)
370z 1496 + 75 = 1571 kg / 323bhp (manual)
BMW 135i 1530 kg / 302bhp (manual)
BMW Z4 sDrive35is 1600 kg / 340bhp (7-speed DSG)
BWM 335i M Sport 1600kg / 306bhp (manual)
M3 Coupe 1655kg / 420bhp (manual)
Ariel Atom 456 + 75 = 531 kg / 245-300 bhp (manual)
Audi S3 1515 + 75 = 1590 / 261bhp (auto)
Caparo T1 689kg / 575bhp (manual)
Lotus Exige S 935 + 75 = 1010kg / 220bhp (manual & ac marked as an option)
Mercedes Benz SLK 350 1505kg / 305hp (auto 7 tronic
Mercedes Benz SLK 55AMG 1575kg / 360hp (auto 7 tronic)
BMW 1 Series M Coupe 1570kg / 340hp(manual)
| Car | Weight KG (inc driver & 90% fuel) |
|---|---|
| Atom | 531 |
| Caparo T1 | 689 |
| Alfa 4c | 895 DRY |
| Lotus Elise | 876+75=951 |
| Lotus Elise CR | 852+75=927 |
| Lotus Elise S | 924+75=999 |
| Lotus Exige 6 cylinder | 1176+75=1251 |
| Cayman S | 1425 |
| SLK 350 | 1505 |
| Audi TTRS | 1525 |
| BMW 135i | 1530 |
| BMW 1 Series M Coupe | 1570 |
| 370z | 1571 |
| SLK 55AMG | 1575 |
| S3 | 1590 |
| BMW Z4 sDrive35is | 1600 |
| BMW 335i M Sport | 1600 |
| BMW M3 Coupe | 1655 |
Edited by the-photographer on Monday 17th June 10:39
Edited by the-photographer on Monday 17th June 14:03
Edited by the-photographer on Monday 17th June 14:03
kambites said:
So I wonder I the 4C is actually lighter than the Exige V6. I don't really have a feel for how much the fluids weigh in total but presumably less than 115kg?
I must admit, I thought the Exige V6 weighed quite a lot more than that, too.
Say 6kg coolant, 5kg oils, 30kg fuel, 1kg refrigerant, some hydraulic fluids...I must admit, I thought the Exige V6 weighed quite a lot more than that, too.
Not very much.
GroundEffect said:
kambites said:
So I wonder I the 4C is actually lighter than the Exige V6. I don't really have a feel for how much the fluids weigh in total but presumably less than 115kg?
I must admit, I thought the Exige V6 weighed quite a lot more than that, too.
Say 6kg coolant, 5kg oils, 30kg fuel, 1kg refrigerant, some hydraulic fluids...I must admit, I thought the Exige V6 weighed quite a lot more than that, too.
Not very much.
So why do they quote dry?
they should measure cars with all fluids except petrol, or all with 20L or so because some have tanks with say 50L and some 150L (example)
so it would be fare that all cars are measured with fluids but ex petrol or all cars the same say 10 or 20L
so no driver or luggage because al drivers are different and so is luggage why measure such thing when you don't know what driver/luggage the car gets, its a stupid thing.
they should use all around the globe also the same measurements standard.
so it would be fare that all cars are measured with fluids but ex petrol or all cars the same say 10 or 20L
so no driver or luggage because al drivers are different and so is luggage why measure such thing when you don't know what driver/luggage the car gets, its a stupid thing.
they should use all around the globe also the same measurements standard.
Already talks of tuning/after market interest
http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/289927/alfa_rome...
410hp? will need to see that to believe it!
http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/289927/alfa_rome...
410hp? will need to see that to believe it!
V6Alfisti said:
Already talks of tuning/after market interest
http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/289927/alfa_rome...
410hp? will need to see that to believe it!
GT3 race car perhaps? Now turbos have been allowed with the GTR and 12c.http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/289927/alfa_rome...
410hp? will need to see that to believe it!
Its not hard to get just under 400bhp per ton (which is what the rest of the field are on) when they car is so light!
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