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Huntsman said:
Does a January 1982 registered 4dr have seat belt mounting points in the rear?
Good question. My 81 In Vogue didn't. My father had a C reg back in 84/5 that did and by the 85/6 intro of the Vogue they were factory. My father never had a car which didn't have rear seatbelts for my sister and I so either the C reg Rangie came with them, was an option or he had them added I'm not sure.
They're easy to add just by taking the floor and wheel arch plates from a later car as well as any reinforcement the rear pillar fixings use. I simply added all the parts from a '91 to my '72 for the rear belts.
It would t surprise me if LR fitted just lap belts initially in the back and the shoulder belt fitting was added when the Vogue came out along with all the other minor interior changes.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Wednesday 1st May 11:40
DonkeyApple said:
Good question. My 81 In Vogue didn't.
My father had a C reg back in 84/5 that did and by the 85/6 intro of the Vogue they were factory. My father never had a car which didn't have rear seatbelts for my sister and I so either the C reg Rangie came with them, was an option or he had them added I'm not sure.
They're easy to add just by taking the floor and wheel arch plates from a later car as well as any reinforcement the rear pillar fixings use. I simply added all the parts from a '91 to my '72 for the rear belts.
It would t surprise me if LR fitted just lap belts initially in the back and the shoulder belt fitting was added when the Vogue came out along with all the other minor interior changes.
Thank you, I'll have to investigate when the car arrives next week, I'll need 3 belts in the back.My father had a C reg back in 84/5 that did and by the 85/6 intro of the Vogue they were factory. My father never had a car which didn't have rear seatbelts for my sister and I so either the C reg Rangie came with them, was an option or he had them added I'm not sure.
They're easy to add just by taking the floor and wheel arch plates from a later car as well as any reinforcement the rear pillar fixings use. I simply added all the parts from a '91 to my '72 for the rear belts.
It would t surprise me if LR fitted just lap belts initially in the back and the shoulder belt fitting was added when the Vogue came out along with all the other minor interior changes.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Wednesday 1st May 11:40
The P6 Estate is troublesome in this regard, when they did the estate conversion they lost the top mounting points for the rear belts.
Huntsman said:
Thank you, I'll have to investigate when the car arrives next week, I'll need 3 belts in the back.
The P6 Estate is troublesome in this regard, when they did the estate conversion they lost the top mounting points for the rear belts.
That's annoying. There are no issues retrofitting later belts to the earlier Rangies and as yours is a 4 door it'll have the sloping rear floor so referencing for the holes will be easier. The P6 Estate is troublesome in this regard, when they did the estate conversion they lost the top mounting points for the rear belts.
If 'Danboats' is still on eBay then he'll be the most likely source for all the parts and I just sent all the belt bits off to the usual company who put new belts and rollers on. You might want to retain the old buckle clips though as new ones don't like going into the old receivers which has been an annoyance for me as the children couldn't put their belts on themselves for a few years until they'd toughened up a bit. Or get new receivers at the same time, which probably makes the most sense.
niva441 said:
I think the age for requiring rear belts is 1985. My Niva was an 86 and needed me to put the rear seat back up for the MOT, so they could be tested. Apparently if it had been a year older it wouldn't have been necessary.
They were being fitted in the 70s by some manufacturers. Pretty sure the Shadow and XJ6 had them from childhood memory. By the time the Vogue was launched they were standard in the Rangie so that would have been 85/86ish? I've also a memory that rear belts didn't become a legal requirement until the 90s!!! But that may have been related to using them and fitting them came earlier?
DonkeyApple said:
Huntsman said:
Does a January 1982 registered 4dr have seat belt mounting points in the rear?
Good question. My 81 In Vogue didn't. My father had a C reg back in 84/5 that did and by the 85/6 intro of the Vogue they were factory. My father never had a car which didn't have rear seatbelts for my sister and I so either the C reg Rangie came with them, was an option or he had them added I'm not sure.
They're easy to add just by taking the floor and wheel arch plates from a later car as well as any reinforcement the rear pillar fixings use. I simply added all the parts from a '91 to my '72 for the rear belts.
It would t surprise me if LR fitted just lap belts initially in the back and the shoulder belt fitting was added when the Vogue came out along with all the other minor interior changes.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Wednesday 1st May 11:40
Huntsman said:
The Unseen Range rover is here, drove it round the yard, a quick inspection very positive.
Pissing oil out of somewhere. Otherwise as described, very please for the money.
Excellent. Get those bumper end caps separately insured as they look like originals and are worth a fortune. Pissing oil out of somewhere. Otherwise as described, very please for the money.
Door mirrors look incorrect. They look to be the slightly smaller design that was used on all the Austins etc. I think there were three sizes with the smallest being on the mini and metro.
Rear belts?
Manual.
Not investigated rear belts yet, the handbook says the body is fitted with mounting points.
It lurched home on less than 8 cylinders, I've ordered electronic ignition, rotor arm, cap, leads, coil and plugs.
Brakes pulling to the right and pedal spongy, so there's a bit of love needed there.
Been to the locksmith to sort out a spare set of keys, they don't have a blank for the rear tailgate, so that needs a bit of googling.
Delighted with it, very wobbly!
Not investigated rear belts yet, the handbook says the body is fitted with mounting points.
It lurched home on less than 8 cylinders, I've ordered electronic ignition, rotor arm, cap, leads, coil and plugs.
Brakes pulling to the right and pedal spongy, so there's a bit of love needed there.
Been to the locksmith to sort out a spare set of keys, they don't have a blank for the rear tailgate, so that needs a bit of googling.
Delighted with it, very wobbly!
Huntsman said:
Manual.
Not investigated rear belts yet, the handbook says the body is fitted with mounting points.
It lurched home on less than 8 cylinders, I've ordered electronic ignition, rotor arm, cap, leads, coil and plugs.
Brakes pulling to the right and pedal spongy, so there's a bit of love needed there.
Been to the locksmith to sort out a spare set of keys, they don't have a blank for the rear tailgate, so that needs a bit of googling.
Delighted with it, very wobbly!
The rear tailgate key is the standard BMC door/ignition key from the late 50s through to the 70s. The only watch-out is that, with so many upper tailgates being swapped across cars as they rotted out, , you'll be very lucky if you still have the tailgate lock that goes with your chassis number.Not investigated rear belts yet, the handbook says the body is fitted with mounting points.
It lurched home on less than 8 cylinders, I've ordered electronic ignition, rotor arm, cap, leads, coil and plugs.
Brakes pulling to the right and pedal spongy, so there's a bit of love needed there.
Been to the locksmith to sort out a spare set of keys, they don't have a blank for the rear tailgate, so that needs a bit of googling.
Delighted with it, very wobbly!
The ride should roll but not wobble and these are absolutely transformed by new springs/dampers/bushes, none of which are hard or expensive to source and fit. A well set up one should be super stable and ride better than a lot of modern cars. Once you've sorted out the suspension, your main enemy of smoothness and enjoyable driving will be drive-line shunt; on the 4 speed, you can change all the universal joints and splines you like but you'll never eradicate it.
Again, the brakes, when set up right should be super sharp for a car of it's size and weight. Just make sure any driver uninitiated to the ways of old LR products understands the on/off nature of the propshaft handbrake (ask me how I know this is important)
ClaphamGT3 said:
The rear tailgate key is the standard BMC door/ignition key from the late 50s through to the 70s. The only watch-out is that, with so many upper tailgates being swapped across cars as they rotted out, , you'll be very lucky if you still have the tailgate lock that goes with your chassis number.
The rear hatch key isnt a Wilmot Breeden Union FS or FP type, its a Sta-Lok, I'm on the case.Is there an early RR parts book pdf?
Afternoon
A few quiet years for me (life events) but now back in the game...
1991 Vogue SE Plymouth Blue.... i learned from previous expensive lessons and bought this because the chassis is rock solid and the inner body structure is v v tidy. No rotten sills, inner wings or rear wheel arches. Phew
It was grey cloth from factory but I sourced some tan seats from an LSE and worked with Phil at Twenty Ten to sort out other bits. I know period correct would be beige door cards etc but tbh the grey on these 33 years later has faded to a browny grey anyway, and the LSE seats are a darker saddle tan. Chucked in some tartan for a bit of fun. Loads of small fiddly things done... bushes, exhaust clamps, windows and sunroof sorted, CSK ntype alloys fitted etc
Bad news - overheating... it boiled its fluid on Friday. The water pump is turning, the viscous fan is whizzing round, and until the expansion tank vented, there were no obvious leaks. Any advice ? Am wondering air lock / broken thermostat / knackered rad / system generally gummed up with crap. Am hoping its the cooling not the engine. To be clear Twenty Ten did not touch the engine and all seemed fine on a shorter test drive.
Also seem to be 2 fans in front of the rad and behind what I believe is the gearbox cooler, that are turning incredibly slowly. IS that standard or maybse some kind of retrofitted extra fan kit that is knackered ??
The car seems to be on Police spec springs and I want to fit new dampers and springs all round. Terrafirma ?
Cheers all, TIA for any advice
A few quiet years for me (life events) but now back in the game...
1991 Vogue SE Plymouth Blue.... i learned from previous expensive lessons and bought this because the chassis is rock solid and the inner body structure is v v tidy. No rotten sills, inner wings or rear wheel arches. Phew
It was grey cloth from factory but I sourced some tan seats from an LSE and worked with Phil at Twenty Ten to sort out other bits. I know period correct would be beige door cards etc but tbh the grey on these 33 years later has faded to a browny grey anyway, and the LSE seats are a darker saddle tan. Chucked in some tartan for a bit of fun. Loads of small fiddly things done... bushes, exhaust clamps, windows and sunroof sorted, CSK ntype alloys fitted etc
Bad news - overheating... it boiled its fluid on Friday. The water pump is turning, the viscous fan is whizzing round, and until the expansion tank vented, there were no obvious leaks. Any advice ? Am wondering air lock / broken thermostat / knackered rad / system generally gummed up with crap. Am hoping its the cooling not the engine. To be clear Twenty Ten did not touch the engine and all seemed fine on a shorter test drive.
Also seem to be 2 fans in front of the rad and behind what I believe is the gearbox cooler, that are turning incredibly slowly. IS that standard or maybse some kind of retrofitted extra fan kit that is knackered ??
The car seems to be on Police spec springs and I want to fit new dampers and springs all round. Terrafirma ?
Cheers all, TIA for any advice
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