Undertaking....
Discussion
MorganP104 said:
Is there anything more satisfying than undertaking a MLM, at the same time as someone else is overtaking them, at a speed matching yours?
Gives me such a warm feeling.
Hmm, could be a bit dodgy though, if the ML twerp suddenly decides to move over from lane 2 to lane 1 when he sees somebody going past him in lane 3, and not noticing what you're doing on his other side. Unlikely? Maybe, but I'd be wary of it.Gives me such a warm feeling.
briang9 said:
MorganP104 said:
Is there anything more satisfying than undertaking a MLM, at the same time as someone else is overtaking them, at a speed matching yours?
Gives me such a warm feeling.
Circling them is even better, specially when they don't even seem to realise what's happening Gives me such a warm feeling.
Sorry, I'm in miserable old git mode this morning.
p1esk said:
briang9 said:
MorganP104 said:
Is there anything more satisfying than undertaking a MLM, at the same time as someone else is overtaking them, at a speed matching yours?
Gives me such a warm feeling.
Circling them is even better, specially when they don't even seem to realise what's happening Gives me such a warm feeling.
Sorry, I'm in miserable old git mode this morning.
RobM77 said:
p1esk said:
briang9 said:
MorganP104 said:
Is there anything more satisfying than undertaking a MLM, at the same time as someone else is overtaking them, at a speed matching yours?
Gives me such a warm feeling.
Circling them is even better, specially when they don't even seem to realise what's happening Gives me such a warm feeling.
Sorry, I'm in miserable old git mode this morning.
I'm all for a bit of fun in the right place, but why anybody should take the time to mess about like that is something I can't fathom. It seems to me like looking for trouble, whereas although I like to do things my way, I also like an easy life and minimum hassle. Still, we're not all alike.
p1esk said:
RobM77 said:
p1esk said:
briang9 said:
MorganP104 said:
Is there anything more satisfying than undertaking a MLM, at the same time as someone else is overtaking them, at a speed matching yours?
Gives me such a warm feeling.
Circling them is even better, specially when they don't even seem to realise what's happening Gives me such a warm feeling.
Sorry, I'm in miserable old git mode this morning.
I'm all for a bit of fun in the right place, but why anybody should take the time to mess about like that is something I can't fathom. It seems to me like looking for trouble, whereas although I like to do things my way, I also like an easy life and minimum hassle. Still, we're not all alike.
p1esk said:
Rob - I agree with you. To go past in lane 1 with a smallish speed differential, and a wary eye on 'the opposition' is, I'm sure, the safest way to deal with it, and I think it would be grossly unfair to get nicked for doing that.
Normally you'd be able to observe the driver's behaviour for a minute or two before you reach him. I wouldn't do it to an erratic driver, and I'll usually put my car right over to the left hand side of the lane, often even a gear down from normal if necessary. I've done this for years and not had a single issue.p1esk said:
Rob - I agree with you. To go past in lane 1 with a smallish speed differential, and a wary eye on 'the opposition' is, I'm sure, the safest way to deal with it, and I think it would be grossly unfair to get nicked for doing that.
I do the following:stay in l1 a good distance back, pretty much match speeds and observe idiot in l2. Take a long, hard look and assess if they are am "i'm here for ever" or might actually look like they could move back into l1. Usually, this is extremely obvious
close up a bit, but make sure i'm not overlapped yet
Check i have a clear lane (hardshoulder counts) to my left, into the distance, should an avoiding swerve be required
double check for movement, or signs of life
accelerate past, with a decent speed to minimize the overlap time, but not so fast i couldn't brake (and swerve if necessary) to avoid them
p1esk said:
MorganP104 said:
Is there anything more satisfying than undertaking a MLM, at the same time as someone else is overtaking them, at a speed matching yours?
Gives me such a warm feeling.
Hmm, could be a bit dodgy though, if the ML twerp suddenly decides to move over from lane 2 to lane 1 when he sees somebody going past him in lane 3, and not noticing what you're doing on his other side. Unlikely? Maybe, but I'd be wary of it.Gives me such a warm feeling.
smallgun said:
p1esk said:
MorganP104 said:
Is there anything more satisfying than undertaking a MLM, at the same time as someone else is overtaking them, at a speed matching yours?
Gives me such a warm feeling.
Hmm, could be a bit dodgy though, if the ML twerp suddenly decides to move over from lane 2 to lane 1 when he sees somebody going past him in lane 3, and not noticing what you're doing on his other side. Unlikely? Maybe, but I'd be wary of it.Gives me such a warm feeling.
I'm sure you'll appreciate my concern: me being an aged driver with slow reactions etc.
I normally find when approaching a
MLM a touch of Lucas helps, if said driver does not move over into L1 then I'm happy to proceed into L1 and undertake and give a fine 5 fingered salute!! (Tongue in cheek btw) before anyone gets into hand gestures!
I drive a HGV1 and I find those MLM a complete menace.
MLM a touch of Lucas helps, if said driver does not move over into L1 then I'm happy to proceed into L1 and undertake and give a fine 5 fingered salute!! (Tongue in cheek btw) before anyone gets into hand gestures!
I drive a HGV1 and I find those MLM a complete menace.
carguy143 said:
To me, undertaking is the act of changing lanes and passing something on the wrong side just to make progress. I see nothing wrong in passing something without changing lanes and I often so this.
A different interpretation in relation to thatHighway Code said:
Rule 268
Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake..........
Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake..........
If you think that the MLM is bad here, try driving around Australia for a month.... Over there almost everyone is a MLM, not helped by the fact that their road system is a bit strange in that the LH lane (they drive on the same side as the UK) often filters off down minor side roads and then closes afterwards, only to open up again a few hundred yard later, as well parked cars sometimes in lane 1 of those roads.
Their main roads (equal to our A roads) are almost all dual carriageways (with 2 or 3 lanes per side), their highways (motorway) are also 3 lanes and so people just drive in lane 2 everywhere, undertaking is as illegal/legal there as here, BUT the problem of the MLM is SO bad that the Police don't bother to enforce it.
It's infuriating in one sense, but the combination of being able to undertake AND the fact that they don't have 42mph drivers like we do, makes the experience much less stressful than the UK.
Their main roads (equal to our A roads) are almost all dual carriageways (with 2 or 3 lanes per side), their highways (motorway) are also 3 lanes and so people just drive in lane 2 everywhere, undertaking is as illegal/legal there as here, BUT the problem of the MLM is SO bad that the Police don't bother to enforce it.
It's infuriating in one sense, but the combination of being able to undertake AND the fact that they don't have 42mph drivers like we do, makes the experience much less stressful than the UK.
lyonspride said:
If you think that the MLM is bad here, try driving around Australia for a month.... Over there almost everyone is a MLM, not helped by the fact that their road system is a bit strange in that the LH lane (they drive on the same side as the UK) often filters off down minor side roads and then closes afterwards, only to open up again a few hundred yard later, as well parked cars sometimes in lane 1 of those roads.
Their main roads (equal to our A roads) are almost all dual carriageways (with 2 or 3 lanes per side), their highways (motorway) are also 3 lanes and so people just drive in lane 2 everywhere, undertaking is as illegal/legal there as here, BUT the problem of the MLM is SO bad that the Police don't bother to enforce it.
It's infuriating in one sense, but the combination of being able to undertake AND the fact that they don't have 42mph drivers like we do, makes the experience much less stressful than the UK.
Under our Road Rules (2014) overtaking on the left (undertaking to you all) is completely legal where lanes are marked on any road. On roads with a speed limit greater than 80 km/h (50 mph) a driver must KEEP LEFT UNLESS OVERTAKING [words on sign] or if the speed limit is lower and THAT sign is displayed. It means one can legally drive in lane two, where there is one, indefinitely.Their main roads (equal to our A roads) are almost all dual carriageways (with 2 or 3 lanes per side), their highways (motorway) are also 3 lanes and so people just drive in lane 2 everywhere, undertaking is as illegal/legal there as here, BUT the problem of the MLM is SO bad that the Police don't bother to enforce it.
It's infuriating in one sense, but the combination of being able to undertake AND the fact that they don't have 42mph drivers like we do, makes the experience much less stressful than the UK.
Yes we do have 68 km/h drivers on our main roads.
It's gone midnight and it's 34 deg C so I'm going to bed now - I will cover why legalised undertaking is bad tomorrow! In my opinion it's one of the reasons drivers are generally quite bad here.
Hmmmm.Undertaking and the Highway Code gives me a problemette.
Situation (A): It's okay to undertake (pass on the left) if the traffic in the lane you are in is travelling faster than traffic in the lane on the right, subject to speed limit observance. Okay. Fair enough.
Situation (B): It's not okay to come upon a MLM in lane 2 who is going slower than you, go into lane 1, pass them and carry on.
Right. With situation A, at some stage I moved from lane 2 to lane 1 and that enabled me to pass the MLM in lane 2.
How far behind said MLM do I have to be before my move into lane 1 becomes Highway code legal?
100 yards? 500 yards? One mile?
Also what is "traffic"?
A stream of two cars, three cars, four cars? One car?
The f*ck with it. If BIB are not around and MLM looks set in their MLM ways then undertake the sad f*cker. Life's too short, etc. to be held up by a moron.
Situation (A): It's okay to undertake (pass on the left) if the traffic in the lane you are in is travelling faster than traffic in the lane on the right, subject to speed limit observance. Okay. Fair enough.
Situation (B): It's not okay to come upon a MLM in lane 2 who is going slower than you, go into lane 1, pass them and carry on.
Right. With situation A, at some stage I moved from lane 2 to lane 1 and that enabled me to pass the MLM in lane 2.
How far behind said MLM do I have to be before my move into lane 1 becomes Highway code legal?
100 yards? 500 yards? One mile?
Also what is "traffic"?
A stream of two cars, three cars, four cars? One car?
The f*ck with it. If BIB are not around and MLM looks set in their MLM ways then undertake the sad f*cker. Life's too short, etc. to be held up by a moron.
vonhosen said:
You can do absolutely anything of your choosing if A) You don't get caught or B) You'll accept the consequences that follow if you do get caught.
TBH I can't find any record (or even a hint) of anyone ever being prosecuted for "undertaking", I think as long as your not swerving about and driving like an idiot then nothing would come of ti.Gassing Station | Advanced Driving | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff