Anglesey Circuit has banned all EVs/Hybrids from trackdays

Anglesey Circuit has banned all EVs/Hybrids from trackdays

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Lordbenny

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8,592 posts

220 months

Wednesday 10th January
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Interesting….hehe

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Cylon2007

520 posts

79 months

Wednesday 10th January
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Presumably due to the 'potential' issues from crashing a car with fairly large / very large Lithium ion batteries and the possible fire risk etc etc.

gtsralph

1,189 posts

145 months

Wednesday 10th January
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Porsche Club has a no EV rule because of circuits lack of facilities for dealing with accidents involving high voltage systems and battery fires.

BoRED S2upid

19,754 posts

241 months

Wednesday 10th January
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gtsralph said:
Porsche Club has a no EV rule because of circuits lack of facilities for dealing with accidents involving high voltage systems and battery fires.
Makes sense you don’t want Marshalls / rescue crews getting zapped to death by a smashed up EV.

Evanivitch

20,333 posts

123 months

Wednesday 10th January
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BoRED S2upid said:
Makes sense you don’t want Marshalls / rescue crews getting zapped to death by a smashed up EV.
Typically, the battery is isolated the moment the 12V power is lost.

The issue is their fire equipment is intended for fuel fires, not the large amount of water needed for EV battery fires.

Some batteries like LFP (Tesla standard range, several Chinese cars) have far lower risk of thermal runaway.

mmm-five

11,277 posts

285 months

Thursday 11th January
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But surely at Anglesey you'd just use the tractor to push it into the sea?

hairy v

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145 months

Thursday 11th January
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mmm-five said:
But surely at Anglesey you'd just use the tractor to push it into the sea?
biglaugh

simon_harris

1,382 posts

35 months

Thursday 11th January
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so no P1's, La Ferraris or Porsche 918 then?

mac96

3,831 posts

144 months

Thursday 11th January
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I wonder what their definition of a hybrid is. If it includes mild hybrids, that rules out lots of current models; if it doesn't, the definition of what is a banned hybrid surely gets a bit tricky.

Geoff39GL

574 posts

137 months

Thursday 11th January
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Evanivitch said:
Typically, the battery is isolated the moment the 12V power is lost.

The issue is their fire equipment is intended for fuel fires, not the large amount of water needed for EV battery fires.

Some batteries like LFP (Tesla standard range, several Chinese cars) have far lower risk of thermal runaway.
So its no problem if you have an accident on a motorway then ????

Pica-Pica

13,925 posts

85 months

Thursday 11th January
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hairy v said:
mmm-five said:
But surely at Anglesey you'd just use the tractor to push it into the sea?
biglaugh
Or something from RAF Valley?

Evanivitch

20,333 posts

123 months

Thursday 11th January
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Geoff39GL said:
So its no problem if you have an accident on a motorway then ????
The fire and rescue services have training and equipment for EVs.

peterperkins

3,162 posts

243 months

Thursday 11th January
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Yep interesting and unfortunate..

Most early hybrids are non Lithium as well and use very safe and reliable old school Nimh technology.

CR-Z ZF1

Honda Insight ZE1

Prius etc

SpudLink

5,960 posts

193 months

Thursday 11th January
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I don't know the economics of owning and running a track, but I imagine the margin's are pretty tight for a track like Anglesey. It wouldn't be a surprise if this was based on the cost of gearing up for an EV fire. A few years from now they may decide they have no choice, but for now there are enough ICE cars wanting to attend track days for them to kick the EV problem down the road.

E-bmw

9,303 posts

153 months

Thursday 11th January
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peterperkins said:
CR-Z ZF1

Honda Insight ZE1

Prius etc
Lost count of the number of those I have seen on a track day. wink

popeyewhite

20,100 posts

121 months

Thursday 11th January
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mac96 said:
I wonder what their definition of a hybrid is. If it includes mild hybrids..
Sometimes...

If it has a EV style chargeable battery of any kind it may take longer to extinguish a fire as another poster has stated.

braddo

10,623 posts

189 months

Thursday 11th January
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hairy v said:
mmm-five said:
But surely at Anglesey you'd just use the tractor to push it into the sea?
biglaugh
laugh

mac96

3,831 posts

144 months

Thursday 11th January
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popeyewhite said:
mac96 said:
I wonder what their definition of a hybrid is. If it includes mild hybrids..
Sometimes...

If it has a EV style chargeable battery of any kind it may take longer to extinguish a fire as another poster has stated.
Yes, I see the logic behind the ban. Just that most people would probably not describe, for example, a current basic petrol BMW X3 as a hybrid, even BMW don't make a thing of it - but they do have battery assistance. That's why I can see scope for argument about which vehicles are banned. Especially as the circuit website doesn't seem to mention this.

Evanivitch

20,333 posts

123 months

Thursday 11th January
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mac96 said:
Yes, I see the logic behind the ban. Just that most people would probably not describe, for example, a current basic petrol BMW X3 as a hybrid, even BMW don't make a thing of it - but they do have battery assistance. That's why I can see scope for argument about which vehicles are banned. Especially as the circuit website doesn't seem to mention this.
That would be like asking then to differentiate between a Prius' NMH, lithium LFP and lithium non-LFP battery. They just won't.

Lordbenny

Original Poster:

8,592 posts

220 months

Thursday 11th January
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This is just the start….garages, body shops, car parks (especially the ones underneath housing/flats etc) anywhere where EVs are parked, stored or worked upon will have insurance and safety issues based on the fact that at present no fire extinguisher or sprinkler system can put a single EV fire out let alone numerous amounts of them.