Starting a new job as an apprentice BMW technician

Starting a new job as an apprentice BMW technician

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mick1199

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Sunday 21st November 2021
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I’m new to this site but figured it might be the right place to go for a bit of advice or just general thoughts on the state of the industry at the moment. The vast majority of what I read about being a technician, especially at your main dealerships, is overwhelmingly negative but I’m still pretty determined to try this out as a new career. I’ve found myself drawn towards the job despite having no prior experience working on cars so it’s safe to say I’m going in very green.

What I’m wondering is realistically how much can a technician working at a dealership, and with a brand like BMW, look at earning? I understand there’s a lot to learn and it’s incredibly hard, back-breaking work but after say, 5 years or so are the wages still as poor as I’m led to believe? I’ve seen lots of techs mentioning how poor the wage is and how difficult bonuses are to meet, whilst others have quoted earning £50K+ on a base salary of £28K for example. I’m struggling to understand how there’s such a massive contrast in those two narratives.

Similarly, how much do you really need to spend on tools? I’ve seen tens of thousands mentioned, is that through being suckered by the likes of Snap On or even just your budget brands like Halfords? I’ve got my eye on a decent looking kit for a few hundred that I’ll inevitably need to invest in at some point.

Lastly, how viable is it as a career? Do people with no automotive experience have much of a chance in the industry? How readily available is progression? Despite having little to no formal experience I’d say I’m relatively switched on and fully intend to see this apprenticeship through regardless and try and make a decent career out of it. I’ve just recently turned 22 if that’s worth mentioning at all.

I understand there’s a few points here but any responses or bits of advice are much appreciated. Cheers!

mick1199

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Sunday 21st November 2021
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I have, yes. Done my research beforehand and perhaps against my better judgement accepted but I’ve always wanted to learn a skilled trade and getting stuck into something. Just thought I’d ask around here to get a general idea of what I can expect.

mick1199

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Sunday 21st November 2021
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Cheers for the responses I really appreciate it. It’s nice to hear some positivity. Wages aren’t the most important thing for me at the moment to be honest and I value my own job satisfaction far more so here’s hoping it’ll be enjoyable. Obviously it’s nice to know if there is some upwards progression though.

Touching on the point about EVs and hybrids taking off I’d like to think that things are due a change. Perhaps when we really start seeing the roll out of electric cars en masse the premium for skilled EV/HEV technicians will go up. That said, I might just be naive and if the job hasn’t changed much in the last 20 years who’s to say it will at all.

Thanks for the support as well, a job is what you make of it at the end of the day. I’ve loved jobs everyone else hated and hated jobs that everyone else loved if that makes any sense so I think I’m a bit mad in that sense anyway. Who knows what the future holds. Cheers!

mick1199

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Sunday 21st November 2021
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Cheers again, all very positive and good to hear. Will certainly be keeping in mind going down the EV route and certainly wouldn’t mind being my own boss someday if it was viable smile

@Dynion Araf Uchaf I’ve only recently turned 22. I’ll take being able to read and write as a compliment smile I was worried they might try and twist my arm into becoming a sales exec at the interview which sent shivers down my spine. No offence intended. I really appreciate all the ideas, a lot of food for thought there and some really good insight into where I could end up. I fully intend to see this apprenticeship through and don’t fancy being crap at my job. I’m in no doubt it’ll take a lot of time and hard work but overall I’m very optimistic.

mick1199

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Sunday 21st November 2021
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@The Road Crew and @bearman68 (I don’t even know if this @ thing works on here), again cheers! Nice to encounter a lot of positivity here, far more than when I tried posting on a Navy forum before I embarked on that ill-fated voyage, which is nice to see. Hopefully my new colleagues will be a welcoming bunch as well. I’m sure the banter will be great and I’m anticipating being the butt of many jokes for a while!

I fully intend to milk the Halford’s trade discount and government tax rebates to cut down on tool costs and I’ll try and steer clear of the Snap On man for as long as possible. That is until I’m inevitably lured into the Aladdin’s cave of shiny trinkets that is their van smile Do they actually have Snap On vans in the UK, or is that an exclusively Yank thing?

It’s great to hear that people still really enjoy the profession, although I can never blame people for chasing a better salary. Really strikes a chord what @bearman68 said, in regards to feeling like you have a worthwhile skill set. There’s something to be said about feeling accomplished when you come home stinking and knackered, just let’s me know I’ve put in a hard days graft.

I might have my eyes opened yet but feeling very optimistic and positive going into this new career.

mick1199

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Monday 22nd November 2021
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Apologies I’ve been reading all of the replies here but new accounts are restricted to posting within the first 24 hours. Appreciate the input from everyone.

The world of being a mechanic seems to be quite polarising but glad to know some enjoy it, even if the wages aren’t always worth it. The prospect of opening an independent garage is something that I’ll have to think about after getting a good few years of experience under my belt, if the career works out for me. That said I don’t exactly live in a thriving part of the country so not sure what the demand would be for a BMW specialist garage in my area. @Audikentman I’m sorry to hear about the way things went, that’s the usual story I read about when I look up what life is like as a mechanic, luckily the company I’m going to be working for offers a pension scheme at the very least smile As for @scott10005 that sounds very promising, I guess like any job the place of work can really determine the mileage. Good to know they offer top class training too, part of the apprenticeship involves block release training at BMWs own academy so that’ll be eye opening.

@Super7, I had my eyes on a similar kit, a 200pc set with 1/4”, 3/8” and 1/2” ratchets and a good range of sockets, shallow and deep for each size; a breaker bar, extensions, adapters, hex, torx, etorx and spline sockets as well as wheel nut sockets, sockets for spark plugs and a decent range of ratcheting wrenches. Of course, I’m not really sure how all of this will weigh up in a practical sense, I expect I’ll be borrowing my mentors tools for a month or two before I invest anyway and I’ll see what I’m told. That set was from the Halfords Advanced range and included a lifetime warranty, all for just over £300. I looked for a similar set from Snap On which was pushing £2K!

mick1199

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Tuesday 23rd November 2021
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I’m in a similar part of the country where quite honestly you’re doing well if you’re hitting the top end of £20K. Money wasn’t even a concern for me to be honest when I started looking into the industry and those kind of apprenticeships, but everyone else close to me has been very vocal in expressing how hopeless wages are for me mechanics, hence why I posted here. As someone else said, there are Negative Nigel’s everywhere but you don’t have to be one. I’ve seen a reasonable amount of optimism that tells me there’s a half-decent career and potential for earning good money if the work suits me. If nothing esle, I’m enthusiastic even if I don’t have a clue what I’m doing so hopefully that’ll count for something smile

mick1199

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Tuesday 23rd November 2021
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Cheers! To be honest I’m yet to to be told I need my own tools but a pal of mine works on bikes in the same dealership and he had to buy his own, that said he just got a cheap kit. The fact that you have to buy your own tools definitely deters a lot of people, especially when you’re earning £4.36 an hour. I try and see it as an investment that I hope to christ will pay off as opposed to being shafted!

mick1199

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Tuesday 23rd November 2021
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rigga said:
You'll need your own tools, as most mechanics (me included) rarely lend tools for fear of nit getting them back, especially when you are earning a living from them, and not cheap to buy.

Still have all my snap on kit from my mechanic days, enjoyed actually fixing problems, and got a lot of job satisfaction from doing it, but there was the issue of poor wages, and the bonus /incentive scheme was great to top up wages, but it wasn't an honest way of doing it, was the main reason I left the trade in early 2000's.

Next 20 years on the railways, its just bigger nuts and bolts, very good DB pension, sick pay (full) and great shift pattern, although long shifts, meant really only worked half the year, and I retired at 55 early this year.

Would I be a mechanic again, if I was young and starting out? I was, and still am very mechanically interested, and as i said got a lot of satisfaction from the job, and until the end, for 20 years, it was probably an enjoyable time, if the wages and associated perks were comparable to other trades, then yes I probably would, mechanics just don't seem to he appreciated and recognized work wise, if that's changed over the years, and you have set your mind to go for it, then why not, and i hope you do very well.
Great insight, much appreciated! Job satisfaction is massive for me but as you get older obviously it doesn’t always cut it. As you said about going to work on the railways, I kind of see getting into the trade as an investment in itself. I suppose that way if I end up disliking if, at least I’ve set myself up well with a mechanical background and after a few years can look for other jobs or industries which require similar skill sets but might pay better.

Hasn’t really been mentioned here, so it’s a bit out of context, but I see the point often being made that sometimes you’re just better off stacking shelves for £10/hour rather than struggling by as a mechanic. Once you’ve been there done that, and all the other bcensoreds that comes with trying to supervise and manage a store within retail, there’s a lot to be said for a job that pays less or similar but gives you a lot more satisfaction and actually involves engaging your brain. I was offered a sales position with a starting salary of £22K prior to accepting this apprenticeship offer, but turned it down because I didn’t feel interested in the slightest. I’m saying this just to illustrate my point that, for all I inquired about wages and they are important in the long run, it’s not something that keeps me awake at night.

mick1199

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Wednesday 24th November 2021
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Oh well! I appreciate the feedback. Guess I won’t know until I’ve tried it myself. The least I can do is go in with a positive attitude. It’s worth adding that the IT industry doesn’t interest me in the slightest either. It’s a similar arguement to what I said about working in retail, people will always suggest other jobs they think will be better paid or less stressful but at the end of the day not everyone is interested in those jobs. If the worst comes to the worst at least I can say I’ve got a trade behind me that I’ll be proud of, as opposed to wishing I didn’t exist while I tell Sue who can’t get her company emails working to to turn it off and on again. I have a mate who worked in IT and he reckoned it was equally boring and soul destroying. There’s no such thing as a workplace that fits everyone, I’ll just have to find what fits me I guess.

mick1199

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Wednesday 24th November 2021
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It’s also worth adding part of the apprenticeship involves working on electric and hybrid vehicles and you get a qualification out of it.

mick1199

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Wednesday 24th November 2021
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super7 said:
There are also Snap-On's budger range Blue Point. They're good as well..... a lot of this tool stuff is about the feel in your hands.... use a basic Halfords ratchet, then a professional Halfords, and then a Snap on/Teng Tool's. The difference is night and day...
Totally understand, thing is I looked into buying BluePoint from the Snap On store online (I’m not sure if prices differ from an actual tool truck) and it’s still like £300 for a ratchet and socket set! Thieving bcensoredds!

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mick1199

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Wednesday 24th November 2021
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Penelope Stopit said:
mick1199 said:
It’s also worth adding part of the apprenticeship involves working on electric and hybrid vehicles and you get a qualification out of it.
Know much about BMW training and qualifications..........

If you are very interested in electrical work then that is what to aim for from the start, not a dealership though

Railway, aircraft, ships, boats, military vehicles, specialist vehicles
Fair enough. I’m not specifically looking at just the electrical side. I had an opportunity with Tesla that actually went tcensoreds up not long after I accepted this job but the fact that it was purely electric vehicles switched me off. As useful a skill as I’m sure it is, petrol and diesel will still be around for a long while I’d imagine.

I did plenty of job searching prior to taking this job and where I’m from there doesn’t seem to be anything related to maintenance for rail, aircraft or boats coming up for entry level people like me, sadly. I actually came from the Navy where I was training to be a marine engineer, but since I’ve left (for various reasons), that’s obviously no longer valid so you can count ships and military out, in terms of potential career choices. Half of the ‘technical’ work I would have been doing we were told was basically just reading gauges and watch keeping anyway which would’ve had me clawing my eyes out with boredom.

In other words l’m working with what I have. I appreciate the input and understand I might end up hating it, but it’s not like I’m swamped with opportunities here. My options are very much, take it or leave it and spend another few months unemployed, which I really don’t fancy.

mick1199

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Richard-390a0 said:
When I was "on the tools" the phrase was "the more you learn, the less you earn".

The techies smashing out services all day long would be on more take home pay than a senior or master tech as the servicing work is where all the bonus is & they have no interest in the more technical diagnostic work as it would affect how much bonus they could earn. A senior or master could potentially be on a higher basic wage, but has a much lower chance of topping up that wage with bonuses.

Personally if I had my time again & wanted to stay in the trade I would complete an apprenticeship, then uni & get into a manufacturer rather than staying in a retailer..
Appreciate the input! I guess if you’re happy with your basic salary then it wouldn’t be too bad but I can understand anyone getting disillusioned if they’re getting paid a lot less than someone doing simpler tasks than them. Alas I don’t think I have anywhere near the grades required to go to university, nor do I have any plans on going, unless an employer paid for it which is unlikely. Can I ask what you mean by going to work for a manufacturer? Does that mean exclusively brand run garages/dealerships or within a factory type setting? Or is is something entirely different? Cheers!

mick1199

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Thursday 25th November 2021
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Richard-390a0 said:
Working at the manufacturers U.K head office is what I mean. E.g a lot of technical helpdesk staff who have worked their way up through the workshop to master tech level etc then go on to work for the manufacturer, rather than going to uni. Or as a regional technical manager going out to troubleshoot when retailers have problematic cars etc.
Ah I see. Thank you. Another path to look into I guess if it suits me. I’m just looking forward to learning the basics. smile

toon10 said:
I know a lad who is a divisional aftersales manager for BMW. He started out as an old school mechanic, started his own business for a while and has worked for many car brands over the years. He's a bit of an alpha male type and very switched on so when you combine the two, he's made a very good career out of the motor trade from mechanic beginnings. I'm not sure when he last got oily hands but he is often head hunted and well respected in his trade. He did a stint in the Middle East, made a lot of money and came back to the UK.

I think what I'm trying to say is that like a lot of careers, you can start out, learn your trade and get some skills then branch out on your own and/or progress to other things within the industry. Then again, like most other trades, you can become a journeyman and get stuck doing the same thing and never progressing. There's nothing wrong with that by the way, I know a few people who are what I call plodders and they are very happy doing that. Businesses need people like that to get things done and people like that often don't want the pressure and stress that comes with moving up.

I can't comment on the wages or how you get treat. I suppose well paid BMW salesmen and service managers in their flashy suits could look down on technicians and might be a nightmare to work with. Hopefully, the leadership will have put in some effort around work culture and respect. Companies tend to be on a different scale in that area!
Another interesting story. Thanks! I guess like any job really if you apply yourself and work hard enough, and possibly more importantly have the right personality, who knows where you can end up.

Appreciate the input as always.


mick1199

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Friday 26th November 2021
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MG CHRIS said:
Couldn't have said it better myself been in the trade 12 years it's a st industry with useless management and a generally unhappy workforce. Get into the rail industry or aerospace the main dealer route is a dead end.
I’m not stirring scensoredt here, just genuinely curious. If people hate the trade so much then why stay? I understand people sometimes get stuck in a rut so is it a case of it’s all some people know at times? What’s to stop people who hate the trade going to a different dealership/garage where management and their colleagues might be better and happier? Or just going to a completely different job sector or industry even? Cheers!

mick1199

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Friday 26th November 2021
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Monkeylegend said:
Dont be put off by the negative comments.

People who are unhappy in their jobs or trade are far more likely to talk about it than those who are not, and if they were that unhappy and it was that bad they would move on to something better if they had the ambition.

Most however say the can't afford to leave, they have bills to pay etc, but they still like to moan about it, probably makes them feel a bit better.
Understood. In fairness not much puts me off. I’m that stubborn I can be told point blank not to do something but if I fancy it, it’s happening anyway. I was the same when I left my last job and didn’t see any future so just the normal reaction I guess. As always, you don’t hear as often from those who are happy but the negativity always find it’s way to the top. Cheers though!

mick1199

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Saturday 27th November 2021
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MG CHRIS said:
I've actually left my current job today infact new job starting in the new year with a 4k pay rise but even at that wage it's still low compared to equilvalant trades. It's not always easy to leave and start a new trade or job and not lose money short term specially in certain areas.

Unless your in the Industry you have no idea the level of unhappiness throughout the industry. ATM I'm happy to see what the new company brings but I will be my last attempt and atleast if it doesn't work out the increase wage will help in the move after. I can see what you are saying many lifers get to the point where they just stick it out however doesn't make up for the utter crap show that is the industry.

All though I will say I do think some are trying different things however as many dealers that were family business getting bought out by massive companies like Pendragon you end up with loads of places run exactly the same.
Well wish you the best of luck mate! Sometimes a change of scenery can mean the world and I suppose an extra £4K a year is nothing to be sniffed at. Having some down time where you’re not working helps too. I must have spent a total of about 9 months unemployed in total over the last year after I left a retail job of 4 years and was awaiting a start date for the Navy. I could have got a small temporary job whilst I was waiting but frankly couldn’t be acensoredd and didn’t see the point. Then another month or so of bugger all when I left te Navy. It certainly made me realise the depressing fact that if you’re not bring productive you might as well be working. My circumstances are different of course but still, a month or two of being able to chill and take some time away might give you a new outlook…or not. You never know though.

The dealership I’m going to be working for is owned by one of the bigger chains and there’s about 13 techs working there, most of which have been there a while I think. The Aftersales Manager is an ex-mechanic as well I think so hopefully management will be a little sympathetic…then again. By all means they’ve only recently been taken over and it used to be under a different dealership group who were struggling so they’re trying to reorganise and pump a load of money into re-tooling the workshop. All in all I’m optimistic. Haven’t even started yet! Should be interesting to say the least. Hell of a time to be starting, I’ll need to invest in some thermals!

mick1199

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MG CHRIS said:
I'm not trying to put you off the job but showing the reality but all the best in the job and hope it goes well. Hold of on the thermals as the workshop will be heated so won't really be cold. All the best anyway.
Cheers! Thank christ for that, it’s cold enough as it is!

Monkeylegend said:


Good luck in the new job.

A sign of the times unfortunately, there will soon be very few, if any, family run, independant dealerships left.

There was an interesting article re the growth in online new car sales a couple of days ago, they were predicting the demise of even the big dealer groups as many people now are happier to sit at home, buy on line, and have it delivered to their doorstep.

Probably won't suit a PH'er who needs to see, minutely inspect, tell the dealer all that needs to be sorted, test drive, then expertly negotiate a bargain deal, tying up the sales person in knots, then drive off with a glance in the rear view mirror thinking what a great deal they have got, only to post on here a few days later asking how they can return the crap car they have been suckered into buying and get a refund.
I recall reading (or was it watching) something in regards to dealerships and how they do business. In short, as much as online sales are very popular, they seem to be under the impression that people often still like to close the deal at the dealership and like to at least look at their choice of vehicle in person, test drive it even, before shelling out such large amounts of money. I mean I’m no car fanatic and don’t know A from B but I’d still go and look at car and want to drive it before I bought it, regardless of where I was buying it from. Although, perhaps that’s just me. That said I know plenty of people equally clueless about cars who think similar. I’d assume when it comes to lease cars people seem less bothered since it’s never really theirs anyway.

Of course, you have the likes of Tesla who operate their own first-party ‘showrooms’ as opposed to traditional franchised dealerships so whilst you might he able to look at a car and test drive it, you can only buy online and your desired variant will he delivered. In other words you can sample a Tesla but the actual car that’ll be delivered won’t be that same car. As more people are willing to use that sales model - and it’s clearly working for Tesla - perhaps we will one day see the demise of traditional dealerships in favour of delivering to your door.

Or am I just talking scensorede?

mick1199

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audikentman said:
Just wondering if OP has started yet?
If so how are you finding it?
I have. I’m into my third week now so still very early days but so far I’m really enjoying it. There’s some great lads and good banter in the workshop and it’s actually really laid back, as much as there are targets to hit and jobs to complete. There is a lot of standing about and just watching and observing whilst my mentor or someone else explains things, but that’s just because I’m the impatient type so I’m looking forward to getting more mucked in. My first week involved a new engine going into a 3 series and all the various components being swapped over from the knackered one, so that was a good learning experience.