Junior Doctors' Pay Claim Poll
Poll: Junior Doctors' Pay Claim Poll
Total Members Polled: 1014
Discussion
!. it has been bust for decades
2. Are you talking about the trusts, deaneries, surgeries or The NHS. 1948 is the best answer.
3. regularly, but the one of the main reasons the JDs are unhappy is that they are moved workplace at least once a year, every year
4. Redundancies are required when you are overstaffed not when struggling to retain staff
2. Are you talking about the trusts, deaneries, surgeries or The NHS. 1948 is the best answer.
3. regularly, but the one of the main reasons the JDs are unhappy is that they are moved workplace at least once a year, every year
4. Redundancies are required when you are overstaffed not when struggling to retain staff
Digga said:
djc206 said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
I went for 1-4% which is where many qualified professions are placing their pay awards at the moment.
I would suggest to the GMC that they introduce a compulsory economics module to the 1st year BMed syllabus
How has qualified professional pay held up against inflation over the past decade? Mine has ever so slightly exceeded inflation.I would suggest to the GMC that they introduce a compulsory economics module to the 1st year BMed syllabus
- went bust
- got taken over
- closed workplaces
- announced mass’s redundancies
I know that some struggle to understand but the NHS and JD is shambolic.
They train in an area have to have somewhere to live, qualify and then more often than not apply to work in the area they have trained in.
Sadly there are not enough training places for these newly qualified and some find themselves having to move miles away, give notice on their rental and try to find somewhere to rent in the new area.
Often the deaneries are so large you cannot live in one area and get to work so have to move again and again.
However for the PA's now coming out after just two years "medical training" they get jobs in the area they trained in are not asked to move and in the short term earn more than a JD and people wonder why there is unhappiness.
The latest from the negotiations with the government is things are moving but there is still a feeling they are kicking the can down the road for Labour to sort out.
We will see but more will leave if they do not sort out pay and many other issues like training places and conditions required to keep staff
They train in an area have to have somewhere to live, qualify and then more often than not apply to work in the area they have trained in.
Sadly there are not enough training places for these newly qualified and some find themselves having to move miles away, give notice on their rental and try to find somewhere to rent in the new area.
Often the deaneries are so large you cannot live in one area and get to work so have to move again and again.
However for the PA's now coming out after just two years "medical training" they get jobs in the area they trained in are not asked to move and in the short term earn more than a JD and people wonder why there is unhappiness.
The latest from the negotiations with the government is things are moving but there is still a feeling they are kicking the can down the road for Labour to sort out.
We will see but more will leave if they do not sort out pay and many other issues like training places and conditions required to keep staff
Just attended a meeting which also had the chair of a local LMC. GPs are voting for immediate industrial action.
They (entire PCNs) are also in the process of formally refusing to sign shared care agreements or write prescriptions for drugs which have been started or recommended by a specialist in hospital ("amber and green plus" drugs) and bumping all patients back to hospitals for drugs which are not "routine". SO unless you want your bog standard run of the mill drugs it will be a trip to hospital to get them. And quelle surprise there is no capacity in secondary care to take on mass prescribing either
They (entire PCNs) are also in the process of formally refusing to sign shared care agreements or write prescriptions for drugs which have been started or recommended by a specialist in hospital ("amber and green plus" drugs) and bumping all patients back to hospitals for drugs which are not "routine". SO unless you want your bog standard run of the mill drugs it will be a trip to hospital to get them. And quelle surprise there is no capacity in secondary care to take on mass prescribing either
pavarotti1980 said:
Just attended a meeting which also had the chair of a local LMC. GPs are voting for immediate industrial action.
They (entire PCNs) are also in the process of formally refusing to sign shared care agreements or write prescriptions for drugs which have been started or recommended by a specialist in hospital ("amber and green plus" drugs) and bumping all patients back to hospitals for drugs which are not "routine". SO unless you want your bog standard run of the mill drugs it will be a trip to hospital to get them. And quelle surprise there is no capacity in secondary care to take on mass prescribing either
Why are they refusing to write prescriptions for those type of drugs? They (entire PCNs) are also in the process of formally refusing to sign shared care agreements or write prescriptions for drugs which have been started or recommended by a specialist in hospital ("amber and green plus" drugs) and bumping all patients back to hospitals for drugs which are not "routine". SO unless you want your bog standard run of the mill drugs it will be a trip to hospital to get them. And quelle surprise there is no capacity in secondary care to take on mass prescribing either
borcy said:
Why are they refusing to write prescriptions for those type of drugs?
Because they do not have the capacity and all of a sudden no expertise to be able to manage their monitoring **allegedly**Edit: They have also made a recent discovery that they think there is not a provision within the existing GP contract to provide these services
pavarotti1980 said:
borcy said:
Why are they refusing to write prescriptions for those type of drugs?
Because they do not have the capacity and all of a sudden no expertise to be able to manage their monitoring **allegedly**Edit: They have also made a recent discovery that they think there is not a provision within the existing GP contract to provide these services
The government will fast track things so Physicians Assistant, Paramedic or often referred to as Primary Care Emergency Practitioners and in Health centre Pharmacists will get full prescribing rights to change things.
Not sure this is safe but neither is using them as cut price Dr’s anyway.
How this fits with Starmer saying today he has been speaking with Dr’s and he is saying they can easily get 40000 new appointments per week and he is pledging this will happen by having evening and weekend extra working but nothing about how he will stop Dr’s leaving but it is another thing to be funded by non doms
Not sure this is safe but neither is using them as cut price Dr’s anyway.
How this fits with Starmer saying today he has been speaking with Dr’s and he is saying they can easily get 40000 new appointments per week and he is pledging this will happen by having evening and weekend extra working but nothing about how he will stop Dr’s leaving but it is another thing to be funded by non doms
spaximus said:
nothing about how he will stop Dr’s leaving but it is another thing to be funded by non doms
A significant number of UK trainnes coming out of medical school still don't know where they are starting this first jobs in August yet (2.5 months away), and GP trainees finishing their training are struggling to find jobs in some areas.Vasco said:
Can't help continuing to think that the doctors need to accept they won't get everything at the present time.
Accept what is on offer and get Starmer to sort it out.
https://www.bma.org.uk/our-campaigns/sas-campaigns...
Vasco said:
I know I've said it all along but they should never have said that they wanted 35%.
It just got people's backs up as totally unrealistic. It should have been their AIM not Claim.
Working for a monopoly is never a good way to get the correct market rate for your job. That's the fundamental problem. It just got people's backs up as totally unrealistic. It should have been their AIM not Claim.
gangzoom said:
A significant number of UK trainnes coming out of medical school still don't know where they are starting this first jobs in August yet (2.5 months away), and GP trainees finishing their training are struggling to find jobs in some areas.
You are correct and it shows a side the public do not get. My Daughter was fortunate when she qualified and got to stay and work in her chosen area where she had trained.
She still had to work in hospitals that were spread out so nearest was 25 mins from home furthest almost an hour and half.
Some of her friends changed several times in the first few years.
The new way of getting a position is stupid and really shows a lack of consideration to Dr.s.
As for Gp positions, again she has several friends who are Gp’s not partners and in one they lost two Gp,s and have replaced with PA’s as they are half the cost of a Gp, but are half the person which is shameful.
There are Gp vacancies but they in areas where they don’t want to move to.
gangzoom said:
spaximus said:
nothing about how he will stop Dr’s leaving but it is another thing to be funded by non doms
A significant number of UK trainnes coming out of medical school still don't know where they are starting this first jobs in August yet (2.5 months away), and GP trainees finishing their training are struggling to find jobs in some areas.sawman said:
gangzoom said:
spaximus said:
nothing about how he will stop Dr’s leaving but it is another thing to be funded by non doms
A significant number of UK trainnes coming out of medical school still don't know where they are starting this first jobs in August yet (2.5 months away), and GP trainees finishing their training are struggling to find jobs in some areas.gangzoom said:
Vasco said:
Can't help continuing to think that the doctors need to accept they won't get everything at the present time.
Accept what is on offer and get Starmer to sort it out.
https://www.bma.org.uk/our-campaigns/sas-campaigns...
JDs will be entering into mediation:
https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/politics/governm...
pghstochaj said:
There are only about 10,000 medical graduates in total, per annum?
Yes but potential GP trainees will have been through foundation years, may have started (and possibly finished) or not been able to access specialist training in a secondary care setting, so the pool of applicants could be from a post grad pool of 10 years or so of medical school graduatesGassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff