Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes jailed for fraud

Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes jailed for fraud

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ecs

1,238 posts

171 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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I'm not surprised they're locking her up.

The book 'Bad Blood' is very good - I found it hard to finish though because the st they were pulling got more and more obscene as they dug themselves into an ever deeper hole. There's a 'Swindled' podcast about it all too (good podcast if you're interested in these sorts of crimes).

cuprabob

14,753 posts

215 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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ecs said:
I'm not surprised they're locking her up.

The book 'Bad Blood' is very good - I found it hard to finish though because the st they were pulling got more and more obscene as they dug themselves into an ever deeper hole. There's a 'Swindled' podcast about it all too (good podcast if you're interested in these sorts of crimes).
It's also worth mentioning again the drama The Dropout, which is excellent. Amanda Seyfried plays a blinder as Elizabeth Holmes.


Edited by cuprabob on Thursday 13th April 08:17

Eric Mc

122,165 posts

266 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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cuprabob said:
It's also worth mentioning again the drama The Dropout, which is excellent. Amanda Seyfried plays a blinder as Elizabeth Holmes.


Edited by cuprabob on Thursday 13th April 08:17
What platform/channel is it on?

cuprabob

14,753 posts

215 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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Eric Mc said:
cuprabob said:
It's also worth mentioning again the drama The Dropout, which is excellent. Amanda Seyfried plays a blinder as Elizabeth Holmes.


Edited by cuprabob on Thursday 13th April 08:17
What platform/channel is it on?
Disney+

Eric Mc

122,165 posts

266 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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That's a pity.

What's the chance of these "trapped" TV programmes making it onto more mainstream channels?

hiccy18

2,702 posts

68 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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cuprabob said:
Eric Mc said:
cuprabob said:
It's also worth mentioning again the drama The Dropout, which is excellent. Amanda Seyfried plays a blinder as Elizabeth Holmes.


Edited by cuprabob on Thursday 13th April 08:17
What platform/channel is it on?
Disney+
And if you take a sub for a month to watch it (worth it), watch Dopesick too, really interesting drama based on a non-fiction book giving an insight into the US pharmaceutical opiod epidemic.

Glad she's banged up, hope she has an absolutely hellish time and is subsequently bankrupted.

98elise

26,766 posts

162 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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Dr Jekyll said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
A vapourware saleswoman. A bit like a certain Mr Musk is so many ways.
That's a bit unfair on Mr Musk. His cars and rockets do kinda work, they aren't faked.
Kinda work! They are launching (and landing) rockets at a rate or 1 a week now! smile

Starship should start orbital testing this month bringing 100ton payload capability. That said it's likely to explode, which is pretty normal for SpaceX test flights!

Gecko1978

9,791 posts

158 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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98elise said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
A vapourware saleswoman. A bit like a certain Mr Musk is so many ways.
That's a bit unfair on Mr Musk. His cars and rockets do kinda work, they aren't faked.
Kinda work! They are launching (and landing) rockets at a rate or 1 a week now! smile

Starship should start orbital testing this month bringing 100ton payload capability. That said it's likely to explode, which is pretty normal for SpaceX test flights!
Reminds me of the Billions episode where Wendy's new BF is launching himself into space live on TV an his ship explodes and the team at Axe Capital are all Hugh giving as the shorted the stock

Eric Mc

122,165 posts

266 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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So Hugh benefits?

Castrol for a knave

4,745 posts

92 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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JD said:
There is a dramatised series called "The Dropout" about Elizabeth Holmes, and it's really very good.
The podcast is on which it is based is superb. An excellent piece of investigative journalism.

JD

2,782 posts

229 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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Eric Mc said:
That's a pity.

What's the chance of these "trapped" TV programmes making it onto more mainstream channels?
More mainstream?

Disney+ is the third largest streaming service in the UK!

JD

2,782 posts

229 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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Castrol for a knave said:
The podcast is on which it is based is superb. An excellent piece of investigative journalism.
Oh excellent thanks for the tip!

Slaav

4,265 posts

211 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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JD said:
Castrol for a knave said:
The podcast is on which it is based is superb. An excellent piece of investigative journalism.
Oh excellent thanks for the tip!
Another thumbs up for the podcast! Excellent - if you can cope with the mildly irritating voice wink

PurpleTurtle

7,066 posts

145 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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Slaav said:
JD said:
Castrol for a knave said:
The podcast is on which it is based is superb. An excellent piece of investigative journalism.
Oh excellent thanks for the tip!
Another thumbs up for the podcast! Excellent - if you can cope with the mildly irritating voice wink
And another, I really enjoyed that podcast, have bought the Bad Blood book, it is next on my reading list.

I can't believe she's still at liberty despite being convicted. The US legal system is incredibly strange to us Brits, when she eventually goes to jail will she serve the full 13yr sentence, or will she be released on (the equivalent of) licence at the halfway point like she would in the UK?

I feel sorry for her kids growing up without their mum, they never asked for this, noting that one of them was most likely conceived as a bargaining chip to keep her out of jail.

Eric Mc

122,165 posts

266 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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JD said:
Eric Mc said:
That's a pity.

What's the chance of these "trapped" TV programmes making it onto more mainstream channels?
More mainstream?

Disney+ is the third largest streaming service in the UK!
That is not "mainstream" in that it is not free to air.
It's not even the largest subscription channel.

iphonedyou

9,269 posts

158 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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Eric Mc said:
That is not "mainstream" in that it is not free to air.
It's not even the largest subscription channel.
Well if you're just going to entirely arbitrarily define the word then no, it's not mainstream.

Cracking series; well worth a watch.

Edited by iphonedyou on Thursday 13th April 12:23

Eric Mc

122,165 posts

266 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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I think it's quite simple - number of viewers.

Of course, traditional channels are obliged by law to disclose their viewing figures. Subscription channels are not. They don't reveal the viewing figures because they don't want to. And they don't want to because they know they are low compared to traditional TV channels.

The honest thing would be for the law to be changed to force subscription channels to disclose their viewing figures - but successive governments refuse to do so because they don't want to upset them.
And they don't want to disclose their figures because they never look great compared to one of the main traditional channels.

As for Elizabeth Holmes - I've been following the story since it began to break back in 2015 and I have read "Bad Blood" by the chap who did all the really important investigative journalism on the story, John Carreyrou.

iphonedyou

9,269 posts

158 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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Eric Mc said:
I think it's quite simple - number of viewers.

Of course, traditional channels are obliged by law to disclose their viewing figures. Subscription channels are not. They don't reveal the viewing figures because they don't want to. And they don't want to because they know they are low compared to traditional TV channels.

The honest thing would be for the law to be changed to force subscription channels to disclose their viewing figures - but successive governments refuse to do so because they don't want to upset them.
And they don't want to disclose their figures because they never look great compared to one of the main traditional channels.

As for Elizabeth Holmes - I've been following the story since it began to break back in 2015 and I have read "Bad Blood" by the chap who did all the really important investigative journalism on the story, John Carreyrou.
Disney + reports its subscription figures.

ScotHill

3,213 posts

110 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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Eric Mc said:
I think it's quite simple - number of viewers.

Of course, traditional channels are obliged by law to disclose their viewing figures. Subscription channels are not. They don't reveal the viewing figures because they don't want to. And they don't want to because they know they are low compared to traditional TV channels.

The honest thing would be for the law to be changed to force subscription channels to disclose their viewing figures - but successive governments refuse to do so because they don't want to upset them.
And they don't want to disclose their figures because they never look great compared to one of the main traditional channels.
Really, who cares? If you don't want to watch streaming services then don't - millions of people do, upwards of 7 million households in the UK subscribe to Disney+.

iphonedyou

9,269 posts

158 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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ScotHill said:
Really, who cares? If you don't want to watch streaming services then don't - millions of people do, upwards of 7 million households in the UK subscribe to Disney+.
And, it turns out, many will both subscribe and read the original source material. Who knew!