CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 19)
Discussion
BigMon said:
YMMV but I wouldn't. I'd obviously look into it, and talk over anything I found with them but, ultimately, I'd defer to their time served knowledge, qualifications and expertise over a Zero Hedge certified medical expert.
How's trusting the official medical experts with their " time served knowledge, qualifications and expertise" worked out for significant numbers of dead people who took the covaids vaxx?BigMon said:
I'm not actually referring to Covid here, I'm saying if you actively distrust the medical profession to the point where you will not trust their cancer diagnosis and treatment recommendations then, personally, I don't think you're in a good place.
My Dad had arrhythmia and there's a good chance I'll get it too. Should I believe some random on the Internet over a heart specialist?
YMMV but I wouldn't. I'd obviously look into it, and talk over anything I found with them but, ultimately, I'd defer to their time served knowledge, qualifications and expertise over a Zero Hedge certified medical expert.
Why do we deal in absolutes? Is there no scope for both to be acceptable?My Dad had arrhythmia and there's a good chance I'll get it too. Should I believe some random on the Internet over a heart specialist?
YMMV but I wouldn't. I'd obviously look into it, and talk over anything I found with them but, ultimately, I'd defer to their time served knowledge, qualifications and expertise over a Zero Hedge certified medical expert.
I, too, 'enjoy' the benefits of occasional arrhythmia. Seen various cardiologists over the years, who have variously advised medication A, medication B, ablation, no ablation, pacemaker, no pacemaker. In other words - the specialists cannot agree a treatment schedule. There are various support forums that deal specifically with the experiences of those similarly afflicted, where there are broad discussions on individual treatment experiences, the benefits and detriments of each option based on personal experience. So, which is more useful? Half a dozen specialists who cannot agree, or a broad sweep of personal experiences to debate and discuss the options? I know which I have found more useful and relevant.
Roderick Spode said:
BigMon said:
I'm not actually referring to Covid here, I'm saying if you actively distrust the medical profession to the point where you will not trust their cancer diagnosis and treatment recommendations then, personally, I don't think you're in a good place.
My Dad had arrhythmia and there's a good chance I'll get it too. Should I believe some random on the Internet over a heart specialist?
YMMV but I wouldn't. I'd obviously look into it, and talk over anything I found with them but, ultimately, I'd defer to their time served knowledge, qualifications and expertise over a Zero Hedge certified medical expert.
Why do we deal in absolutes? Is there no scope for both to be acceptable?My Dad had arrhythmia and there's a good chance I'll get it too. Should I believe some random on the Internet over a heart specialist?
YMMV but I wouldn't. I'd obviously look into it, and talk over anything I found with them but, ultimately, I'd defer to their time served knowledge, qualifications and expertise over a Zero Hedge certified medical expert.
I, too, 'enjoy' the benefits of occasional arrhythmia. Seen various cardiologists over the years, who have variously advised medication A, medication B, ablation, no ablation, pacemaker, no pacemaker. In other words - the specialists cannot agree a treatment schedule. There are various support forums that deal specifically with the experiences of those similarly afflicted, where there are broad discussions on individual treatment experiences, the benefits and detriments of each option based on personal experience. So, which is more useful? Half a dozen specialists who cannot agree, or a broad sweep of personal experiences to debate and discuss the options? I know which I have found more useful and relevant.
RSTurboPaul said:
We've not had any Tin Foil for ages... so how about this? lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60k8SNa0tDA
Clearly it is wrong.
I mean, '3 years later' would be 2027 not 2024
I saw this a while back, brilliant isn’t it. Have you heard of the VigilantCitizen site? You’ll never watch films or music in the same way again after going through that! The signs are so obvious and in front of our eyes, but we refuse to look.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60k8SNa0tDA
Clearly it is wrong.
I mean, '3 years later' would be 2027 not 2024
Same with current medical practices, going back to topic. It’s funny how if even mentioning the distrust gets you called out as a heretic, you “have issues”, you’re “dangerous”. This has happened for centuries, when you push back against an establishment. We’ve all been brainwashed for so long, we no longer are able to see the wood for the trees. When ill, we must see a doctor. Only the health service can cure us, talking about “alternatives” is verboten.
Who is the crackpot there?
RSTurboPaul said:
Roderick Spode said:
BigMon said:
I'm not actually referring to Covid here, I'm saying if you actively distrust the medical profession to the point where you will not trust their cancer diagnosis and treatment recommendations then, personally, I don't think you're in a good place.
My Dad had arrhythmia and there's a good chance I'll get it too. Should I believe some random on the Internet over a heart specialist?
YMMV but I wouldn't. I'd obviously look into it, and talk over anything I found with them but, ultimately, I'd defer to their time served knowledge, qualifications and expertise over a Zero Hedge certified medical expert.
Why do we deal in absolutes? Is there no scope for both to be acceptable?My Dad had arrhythmia and there's a good chance I'll get it too. Should I believe some random on the Internet over a heart specialist?
YMMV but I wouldn't. I'd obviously look into it, and talk over anything I found with them but, ultimately, I'd defer to their time served knowledge, qualifications and expertise over a Zero Hedge certified medical expert.
I, too, 'enjoy' the benefits of occasional arrhythmia. Seen various cardiologists over the years, who have variously advised medication A, medication B, ablation, no ablation, pacemaker, no pacemaker. In other words - the specialists cannot agree a treatment schedule. There are various support forums that deal specifically with the experiences of those similarly afflicted, where there are broad discussions on individual treatment experiences, the benefits and detriments of each option based on personal experience. So, which is more useful? Half a dozen specialists who cannot agree, or a broad sweep of personal experiences to debate and discuss the options? I know which I have found more useful and relevant.
Playbook stuff. No room for accepting any vaccine damage or deaths and always demanding hard evidence rather than multiple, converging strong correlations. That's why I think some of them do this professionally.
Talking of which, where is Seventy?
Not been on the forum since around October 2023:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/profile.asp?me...
Hopefully he's just been moved onto a different target
Not been on the forum since around October 2023:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/profile.asp?me...
Hopefully he's just been moved onto a different target
Hants PHer said:
g3org3y said:
All he's really saying is that vaccine harms may have outweighed vaccine benefits in some groups, especially in 18-24 males where myocarditis cases have created a warning signal. That warning signal has been largely ignored by the public health authorities (notably the CDC in the USA).
Therefore, the coercion and, in some cases, mandating of Covid-19 vaccines to almost everybody was wrong and probably caused more harm than good. My own view is that it remains tricky to say who may have benefitted from Covid-19 vaccines. Over 90's? Almost certainly. Over 65's? Perhaps. Healthy under 65's? Probably not. The insistence on mass vaccination of millions against a virus that was a very small threat to them was, in my view, a disgrace and it's fair of Vinay Prasad to highlight this truth.
All that said, it's what the more sensible posters (not r3g or jameswills!) have been saying on this thread for some time.
jameswills said:
This isn't good, I've been moved out of the "sensible posters" part of the Venn diagram
How does one get back in? Is there a checklist of things to agree with?
Visit the other thread, nod sagely and look interested, 'Yass King' a few of the regular contributors, ingratiate yourself for a few weeks, avoid tinfoil. You'll be back in no time. How does one get back in? Is there a checklist of things to agree with?
Roderick Spode said:
Visit the other thread, nod sagely and look interested, 'Yass King' a few of the regular contributors, ingratiate yourself for a few weeks, avoid tinfoil. You'll be back in no time.
I absolutely hated the idea of the "other thread", it is just so "football supporter" mentality, but I suppose that's where we are at at the moment. If that is the level we have to play at to try and discuss things outside of government controlled spheres, that's how we have to do it.If you only reach one person, or reach one electron of a "normie" brain, you've done well I think.
jameswills said:
g3org3y said:
jameswills said:
This isn't good, I've been moved out of the "sensible posters" part of the Venn diagram
How does one get back in? Is there a checklist of things to agree with?
Book in for your next booster. How does one get back in? Is there a checklist of things to agree with?
If it saves just one life...
g3org3y said:
jameswills said:
This isn't good, I've been moved out of the "sensible posters" part of the Venn diagram
How does one get back in? Is there a checklist of things to agree with?
Book in for your next booster. How does one get back in? Is there a checklist of things to agree with?
Roderick Spode said:
Why do we deal in absolutes? Is there no scope for both to be acceptable?
I, too, 'enjoy' the benefits of occasional arrhythmia. Seen various cardiologists over the years, who have variously advised medication A, medication B, ablation, no ablation, pacemaker, no pacemaker. In other words - the specialists cannot agree a treatment schedule. There are various support forums that deal specifically with the experiences of those similarly afflicted, where there are broad discussions on individual treatment experiences, the benefits and detriments of each option based on personal experience. So, which is more useful? Half a dozen specialists who cannot agree, or a broad sweep of personal experiences to debate and discuss the options? I know which I have found more useful and relevant.
Which is more or less what I said isn't it so we're in agreement?I, too, 'enjoy' the benefits of occasional arrhythmia. Seen various cardiologists over the years, who have variously advised medication A, medication B, ablation, no ablation, pacemaker, no pacemaker. In other words - the specialists cannot agree a treatment schedule. There are various support forums that deal specifically with the experiences of those similarly afflicted, where there are broad discussions on individual treatment experiences, the benefits and detriments of each option based on personal experience. So, which is more useful? Half a dozen specialists who cannot agree, or a broad sweep of personal experiences to debate and discuss the options? I know which I have found more useful and relevant.
The forum would enable you to discuss their suggestions with your specialist who would hopefully advise accordingly.
Sounds like a winner to me.
isaldiri said:
g3org3y said:
jameswills said:
This isn't good, I've been moved out of the "sensible posters" part of the Venn diagram
How does one get back in? Is there a checklist of things to agree with?
Book in for your next booster. How does one get back in? Is there a checklist of things to agree with?
I've not seen any evidence of the kind of things the more 'extreme' posters have suggested is going on.
I should probably check our drug cupboard to see if the original midazolam we ordered when this all started is still sealed/in date.
g3org3y said:
It was a joke.
I've not seen any evidence of the kind of things the more 'extreme' posters have suggested is going on.
I should probably check our drug cupboard to see if the original midazolam we ordered when this all started is still sealed/in date.
You're supposed to be saying you used all of it as part of the government's not so cunning plan to weed out the elderly surely..... I've not seen any evidence of the kind of things the more 'extreme' posters have suggested is going on.
I should probably check our drug cupboard to see if the original midazolam we ordered when this all started is still sealed/in date.
jameswills said:
This isn't good, I've been moved out of the "sensible posters" part of the Venn diagram
How does one get back in? Is there a checklist of things to agree with?
Well you can do what some others do and just go to the ONS website and copy and paste the graphs from there to here, then you'll have all of the hard-of-thinkings worshipping the ground you walk on and treating you as an expert authority on the matter.How does one get back in? Is there a checklist of things to agree with?
Or you can keep doing what do you, safe in the knowledge that in 12 months time your "crackpot conspiracy theories" will have become mainstream news and all those who ridiculed you will be scrambling to delete their old posts.
Don't be a sheep.
Besides, the Venn diagram is flawed anyway because the "evidence and reason" they are using at the top levels is based on made-up numbers.
isaldiri said:
You're supposed to be saying you used all of it as part of the government's not so cunning plan to weed out the elderly surely.....
Shhh...*taps nose*During the pandemic I've administered covid vaccines, both AZ and Pfizer/Moderna. I've also treated patients with Covid.
I have a notable degree of scepticism when it comes to the pharmaceutical industry.
I've linked this before and I do think it's worth a watch:
Pharma is driven by money and profits, not altruism. It was in their benefit for the vaccines to be rolled out to as many people/age groups as possible, additional boosters as well (although I wonder how much was also the government thinking 'oh we've committed to XX number of vaccines, we'd better use them all up). IIRC in the US it was recommended for any child >6months.
At the moment we're seeing record numbers of cases of measles as vaccination rates have dropped off. Unfortunately, actions have consequences. Such a coercive type attitude to the covid vaccinations over the last few years was always at risk to get a push back at some point. Unfortunately the unintended victim may end up being our kids. I'm sure Chromegrill will disagree, but IMO Public Health messed up the handling of a lot of this. The public have lost a lot of confidence. And we seem to have decimated the NHS in the process. Not the best outcome.
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